anyone need a good sub?

[a poindexter]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Home-audio/Speakers-and-stands/Subs/auction-245641558.htm

 

not mine but i have its bigger brother and its awesome:D

[Mycenius]

I wonder how it compares to my Polk PSW450? I've been getting the itch to change my sub recently...

 

How do you find the PB12-NSD AP?

[a poindexter]

 

mycenius;105817 wrote:

I wonder how it compares to my Polk PSW450? I've been getting the itch to change my sub recently...

 

 

 

How do you find the PB12-NSD AP?

 

i dont have the nsd i have the pb12plus/2 .

its really tight and clean and digs real deep! (i struggle to explain these things so please bear with me) its a doddle to set up as it has adjustable phase from 0 - 180 and anywhere inbetween . it intergrates with my polks seamlessly and really dosent draw any attention to its self but when its really working it has my whole upstairs deck vibrating:D . and when the bass is really low you really feel it!

phew i hope that helps a bit , ive had too much coffee this morning:D

[NeilNZ]

That sub is ass loosening... very deep and tight.

[Mycenius]

 

a poindexter;105869 wrote:

i dont have the nsd i have the pb12plus/2 .

 

its really tight and clean and digs real deep! (i struggle to explain these things so please bear with me) its a doddle to set up as it has adjustable phase from 0 - 180 and anywhere inbetween . it intergrates with my polks seamlessly and really dosent draw any attention to its self but when its really working it has my whole upstairs deck vibrating:D . and when the bass is really low you really feel it!

 

phew i hope that helps a bit , ive had too much coffee this morning:D

 

Thanks AP - I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the upgrade - I assumed the one on TM is a PB10-NSD looking at the pics vs. the Manufacturer's Website...? So I assumed you were referring to the PB1-NSD... So you really mean the big, big brother - not just a PB12 but a Plus instead of NSD?

 

 

neil;105872 wrote:

That sub is ass loosening... very deep and tight.

 

Hi Neil - are you familiar with the Polk SW's - i.e. how would you compare them? Have you heard/experienced the older PSW range from Polk?

 

Cheers.

 

[EDIT] Ooops - I see someone's asked what model it is... PB10-ISD? Wonder if that's a typo...?

[Mycenius]

P.S. I see Deep HZ in Melbourne have a run out on the PB10-NSD and PB12-Plus models FWIW: http://www.deephzaudio.com/Specials-sale.htm

 

AP - did you bring yours in direct or get it through Oz or somewhere?

[NeilNZ]

The older psw 404 and 505 and the 450 and 550 too, were excellent subs. The new DSW range is spectacular, way above what you might expect from Polk, they have room correction mics etc etc

[a poindexter]

hi mc

yep its an nsd not an isd.

yep i would say mine is the big big bro 900 odd watts twin 12 beastie.

on paper it looks like the one on tm will go deeper than what you have and alot of guys (most) on the polk forums use svs over the polk subs.

i got mine from deep hz audio , pete was great to deal with and the service was second to none.

[Mycenius]

Thanks AP - I see it does say ISD on that PDF of the manual...?

 

Anyway as Neil says the Polk's aren't bad subs - I've been fairly happy with mine but as I couldn't get a Hercules (Chario SW - took 2 years just to get the Phoenix centre) at the time the Polk was the best buy - I guess its a case of is it worth the cost to upgrade the Polk to a SVS or Velodyne unit vs. how much improvement there is likely to be?

 

Neil - would you have any thoughts on whether its worth the cost to replace a PSW with a SVS equivalent...?

[NeilNZ]

After hearing James's SVS I can only say hell yes!

[Mycenius]

Thanks Mate. What's the best way to rate Subs - driver size, amp size? My PSW450 is nominally 300W (but rated I think half that - 150W - for continuous) and a 12" Driver - is the SVS performance such that the PB10 with a 10" Driver & 325W 'Bash' Amp compares, or would I need to look at a PB12 of some description?

[Ernie1553552694]

I'd ask for a demo. Even leave a deposit and take it home to try. A long shot, but if you can, then you'll know if the sub works in your system.

[Mycenius]

Yeah I was toying over something like that Ernie...

 

P.S. I found the difference between the older ISD and new NSD models - the new NSD range has the driver manufactured in house by SVS - the older ISDs used third party drivers (manufactured to spec under contract I think). Supposedly sonically no real difference but possibly a small overall build quality improvement on the newer models...

[Ernie1553552694]

Saves a lot of second guessing.

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Ernie;105945 wrote:

Saves a lot of second guessing.

Aye, it does Ernie...

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Guys - I need a bit of advice/opinion - the auction did not conclude (no sale) and the guy has contacted me and arranged that I can pay him a deposit and get it off him for a few days to trial to make sure it's working okay and is compatible with my system, etc....

So my question, assuming all the above is OK, and it works fine, has no damage/blemishes, no missing critical parts and so on is:

Is an about 3-4 year old, 2 previous owners, PB10-ISD worth $800-$850 compared to bringing a brand new PB10-NSD in from AU for either $1225-$1260 (White/Silver) or $1395-$1425 (Black)? As noted from what I understand from Peter at DHZA in AU the difference with the ISD model is the drivers were manufactured by a contractor not SVS themselves but should be sonically similar and any other differences are just superficial. However I'd normally consider (or work on the premise) that 3-4 year old (good condition & good quality) gear has a ballpark value around 50% of new gear assuming nothing else has affected pricing (e.g. it's a device that suffers regular wear and tear like a cellphone so value drops rapidly) - so the $800-$850 might be about $100 high to me but if its really one of the best subs in that entry level range it might be worth it?

I checked when he bought it - April '06 & orig seller said it was 2 months old then - so its probably closer to 4 years old now - original auction is Here but original seller's account is disabled so can't check their feedback/profile.

Ernie - how do you normally initially value second hand gear from a business perspective in terms of its age (assuming everything else is equal and its in very good nick, etc)...?

Neil/AP (& DTS6.1 if he sees this) - do you reckon the SVS is worth that money vs. the new for a 3 year old unit - having experienced or owning SVS Subs?

Appreciate any further input...

[Ernie1553552694]

 

 

Ernie - how do you normally initially value second hand gear from a business perspective in terms of its age (assuming everything else is equal and its in very good nick, etc)...?

 

 

 

 

It sound's like a good sub, but that doesn't necessarily translate to a product's overall value. It's like a classic left-hand drive car. Intrinsically a very good product, but as a tradeable commodity within a an economy of existing brands and dealers, probably not as much as you may think from the perspective of market value.

 

If on the other hand it was a brand that was supported locally, values are probably going to be more consistent.

 

I could talk about secondary markets, but I think the golden age of really great hi-fi holding or increasing it's value is fading from memory pretty fast.

 

I know that you are trying to place a value on the sub in question, but at the end of the day it's between the seller and you, and you currently happen to represent the market. Etc...

[Mycenius]

Thanks Ernie - appreciate the thoughts/comments...

[aarond1553552714]

FWIW, I think that it is a bit over priced for what it is - I was interested as I am still thinking about a good quality sub for my system, and budget would only allow $1000 tops.

 

If you can get a new one for $1250 or so (I'm assuming colour doesn't matte) then I'd be tempted to go for that than a 3/4 yr old one with 2 owners at least...

 

If it were $500 - 600 then I'd possibly already have grabbed it...

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aarond;106090 wrote:

FWIW, I think that it is a bit over priced for what it is - I was interested as I am still thinking about a good quality sub for my system, and budget would only allow $1000 tops. If you can get a new one for $1250 or so (I'm assuming colour doesn't matte) then I'd be tempted to go for that than a 3/4 yr old one with 2 owners at least...

Yeah that was actually how I was thinking last night after talking to Peter at DHZA and mulling it over - hence I didn't even think of bidding or anything today... And had half-forgotten about it until the guy contacted me after the auction closed...

 

If it were $500 - 600 then I'd possibly already have grabbed it...

Yeah that was my thinking too to be honest - if it had been under $700 I'd have probably been in...

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Guys - I need a bit of advice/opinion - the auction did not conclude (no sale) and the guy has contacted me and arranged that I can pay him a deposit and get it off him for a few days to trial to make sure it's working okay and is compatible with my system, etc....

 

 

 

So my question, assuming all the above is OK, and it works fine, has no damage/blemishes, no missing critical parts and so on is:

 

 

 

Is an about 3-4 year old, 2 previous owners, PB10-ISD worth $800-$850 compared to bringing a brand new PB10-NSD in from AU for either $1225-$1260 (White/Silver) or $1395-$1425 (Black)? As noted from what I understand from Peter at DHZA in AU the difference with the ISD model is the drivers were manufactured by a contractor not SVS themselves but should be sonically similar and any other differences are just superficial. However I'd normally consider (or work on the premise) that 3-4 year old (good condition & good quality) gear has a ballpark value around 50% of new gear assuming nothing else has affected pricing (e.g. it's a device that suffers regular wear and tear like a cellphone so value drops rapidly) - so the $800-$850 might be about $100 high to me but if its really one of the best subs in that entry level range it might be worth it?

 

 

 

I checked when he bought it - April '06 & orig seller said it was 2 months old then - so its probably closer to 4 years old now - original auction is

Here

but original seller's account is disabled so can't check their feedback/profile.

 

 

 

Ernie - how do you normally initially value second hand gear from a business perspective in terms of its age (assuming everything else is equal and its in very good nick, etc)...?

 

 

 

Neil/AP (& DTS6.1 if he sees this) - do you reckon the SVS is worth that money vs. the new for a 3 year old unit - having experienced or owning SVS Subs?

 

 

 

Appreciate any further input...

 

I paid $700 for my PB12-PLUS (might have been $750 cant remember) it was about 2 years old when I got it... The build quality and components on these is very good and they appear built to last... although $800 for 3 year old PB10-ISD seems a bit steep IMHO given what I paid for a 2 year old PB12-PLUS.

[Mycenius]

 

dts6.1;106161 wrote:

I paid $700 for my PB12-PLUS (might have been $750 cant remember) it was about 2 years old when I got it... The build quality and components on these is very good and they appear built to last... although $800 for 3 year old PB10-ISD seems a bit steep IMHO given what I paid for a 2 year old PB12-PLUS.

 

Thanks DTS, appreciate the input - that was the conclusion I have come to to too after talking to a couple of industry related people (incl. Ernie), and what's been discussed by the contributors in this thread, and rechecking the tech specs and online info, basically at around 67% the cost for the new (and slightly improved) model for a basically 4 year old unit with 2 previous owners and no direct support here in NZ its hard to justify proceeding...

 

 

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P.S. how long ago did you get your PB12-Plus?

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mycenius;106162 wrote:

Thanks DTS, appreciate the input - that was the conclusion I have come to to too after talking to a couple of industry related people (incl. Ernie), and what's been discussed by the contributors in this thread, and rechecking the tech specs and online info, basically at around 67% the cost for the new (and slightly improved) model for a basically 4 year old unit with 2 previous owners and no direct support here in NZ its hard to justify proceeding...

 

 

 

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P.S. how long ago did you get your PB12-Plus?

 

I got it in June this year... so I guess its more like 3 years old, was on TM and local so i thought why not at the price... Im really pleased with it, my other half even comments on how good the bass is when watching movies... although shes not quite so enthusiastic about the physical size of the thing, but hey she doesnt have to look at it:D

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dts6.1;106165 wrote:

I got it in June this year... so I guess its more like 3 years old, was on TM and local so i thought why not at the price... Im really pleased with it, my other half even comments on how good the bass is when watching movies... although shes not quite so enthusiastic about the physical size of the thing, but hey she doesnt have to look at it:D

 

Still that sounds like a good buy for something that's about NZ$2600-$3000 new depending on the version & finish (the down firing ones are cheaper than the forward firing).

 

 

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