Electra Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Tamarillo, while I am not going to start promoting the idea of different power cables, I suggest that any cable change ( power, speaker, IC ) you make, make sure your able to trial it in your system for a week or more, then take it back out. Ignore your immediate impressions. Live with it back out of the system for a while. If you just feel that your system is lacking after a few days or a week, then put it back in and pay for it. If you go a week and realize that you are still just as happy, send it back with a thanks but no thanks note attached and remember to buy something from said dealer at some point. The "Wow that makes a difference" comments irritate me. But the "I lived with it and removed it, only to stick it back in after a while" type of comments are perfectly ok as whatever it is that makes you appreciate the system more with said item in it, obviously is worth the spend. Make any sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycenius Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 too_tall;104676 wrote: The "Wow that makes a difference" comments irritate me. But the "I lived with it and removed it, only to stick it back in after a while" type of comments are perfectly ok as whatever it is that makes you appreciate the system more with said item in it, obviously is worth the spend. Make any sense? TT - I know you were addressing Tamarillo but FWIW I think that makes excellent logical sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nixon76 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Also, if they do or don't work for you it is not an indication that they will or won't work for others. Everyones existing power supply, cables, equipment etc are different, so bigger-better-faster cables will react differently for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 mycenius;104678 wrote: TT - I know you were addressing Tamarillo but FWIW I think that makes excellent logical sense... Well, when someone goes out and buys maybe several thousand dollars worth of cables and proclaims to me "Wow, I never realized that cables made such a difference" it really irks me. If I just spend several thousand dollars on something, I would be pretty much convinced it was going to make something better, and therefore would imagine that it did. However, I find that new things in my system take a while to show their true colors, if I find that with something new in the system I am listening to more music as opposed to say, movies, or playing on the web, then take it out and find I go back to my other hobbies, I know its made a difference. If I find that taking it out makes no difference to my habits, it goes back to the seller. Maybe I could eek .01% more out of the system with alternate options for several parts ( or many percent for certain parts I feel ) but to me, its all about money well spent - not having the most perfect and ultimate system. Money well spent is more satisfying that going out with a blank signed cheque and ordering the very best. I suspect for most on here this is also the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 nixon76;104683 wrote: Also, if they do or don't work for you it is not an indication that they will or won't work for others. Everyones existing power supply, cables, equipment etc are different, so bigger-better-faster cables will react differently for everyone. Yes, indeed, but as when you buy items, their for your own system, it only matters what you think.. Unless you me, then everyone should be given the benefit of all your knowledge :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilNZ Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 hahaha! I've had the opportunity to play with many expensive cables in my system. With some I've heard a difference straight away (ie the Kimber I have now, and the Siltech I tried a few years ago), others no difference at all, and others I've only noticed after they've gone... its so subjective there's no point worrying about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarillo Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 Quote: "The "Wow that makes a difference" comments irritate me. But the "I lived with it and removed it, only to stick it back in after a while" type of comments are perfectly ok as whatever it is that makes you appreciate the system more with said item in it, obviously is worth the spend. Make any sense?" Yes that did thanks, makes a lot of sense and agree that I need to do one thing at a time and live with it a while. However maybe you misunderstood me - I did not mean that I had done something and 'wow that makes a difference'. I was showing surprise (and maybe ignorance) that the reviewer (John Paul) found such a big difference on a $4000 system from the power cables. Maybe I should have linked to the review so it made sense - http://www.audioenz.co.nz/2009/demoroom.shtml Maybe he always writes with such enthusiasm and certainty though he bought them so put his money where his mouth is. I simply did not expect the review to report such a marked difference. Now I am wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanman_sg Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 There is a forum member who sells some good power cables on TradeMe, around $50-60. They're shielded and there's 3x2.5mm of strands. Many have found them remarkable for the price. I've bought three. Generally with power cables the noise background is darker and things are much easier to hear. As with a lot of audio geek stuff, it's hard to write about things and it's sometimes hard to demonstrate things, and everyone has to figure out what's what for themselves. * I might add... My personal experience is that a greater effect can be noticed when such a cable is used with an Amplifier. The effects were quite subtle when I did the same for my CD player, a small increase in soundtage depth, perhaps a similar level of difference that the vibration support offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 tamarillo;104703 wrote: However maybe you misunderstood me - I did not mean that I had done something and 'wow that makes a difference'. I was speaking generally, not in reference to something you had said. I understood you. I just would hope that you might live with things for a bit - as you indicated to me in a pm, your system has not been "together" very long so get used to the system as it is, and see how those naim cables work for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarillo Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 tanman_sg;104708 wrote: There is a forum member who sells some good power cables on TradeMe, around $50-60. They're shielded and there's 3x2.5mm of strands. Many have found them remarkable for the price. I've bought three. Generally with power cables the noise background is darker and things are much easier to hear. As with a lot of audio geek stuff, it's hard to write about things and it's sometimes hard to demonstrate things, and everyone has to figure out what's what for themselves. is that Stellar15 from oamaru that makes interconnects too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 tamarillo;104723 wrote: is that Stellar15 from oamaru that makes interconnects too? I believe his forum name is cloth_ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarillo Posted September 30, 2009 Author Share Posted September 30, 2009 too_tall;104724 wrote: I believe his forum name is cloth_ears. thanks too_tall. i agree - I need to live with it for some time before playing around anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarillo Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 so here is where i ended up after good advice. 2 equal 4 metre lengths of DNM single wired and matching dnm interconnects. These and playing with placement of speakers and just settling into and listening and i love it. Ain't nought perfect but this lot now sings and offers heaps. I cannot recommend DNM enough to at least audition - on my system they are just so neutral and clean - I did not know how much other cables were changing the sound until I tried this. Now that of course is subjective - who is to say the DNM is not changing it and others were neutral? I don't know but that is really how it sounds - like the speakers are being allowed to breath and cd is less compressed. Until more money comes up this will do very nicely and all spare money buys CD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotokan Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Tanman - I have today received an "Avienmore" power cable from Cloth_Ears, and agree with your remarks - terrific value. I'm more than pleasantly surprised and nothing has run in yet. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petard Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I'm a cable sceptic (not a denier), and as far as I'm concerned the law of diminishing returns has to be involved. Obvious example: when I upgraded from a wet string interconnect to a $120 Van den Hul, yes, I noticed a difference. The percentage improvement in audible quality would be, let's say, 80%. When I recently purchased a set of $100 speaker cables from our man on Trade Me, I was substituting them for a set that cost around $300 from a dealer well known to most of us. Percentage improvement in audible quality? Can't calculate. They sound the same to me. So, by spending less and hearing the same quality, is that an upgrade? Downgrade with benefits? And, if I decide next to spend $1,000... oh, I think you get my drift. But I am keen to try a shielded cable at an affordable price, because if it does work I'll buy more from a local bloke who's probably serving up the same appreciable result as the internationals who want $2,000 for some coloured wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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