tamarillo Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Just got a box of naim cable through this forum. Have some at 2.5 and some at approx 8 metres. I run single wire - have tried bi wire and don't like it to my ears on my gear. Now the 2.5 is to short on one side - where it must go under and around a door. Bugger but there it is. So I tested with the 2 short ones. All good. Then put right on an 8 metre run, leaving short on left. I THINK I can tell and right runs softer/quieter. BUT imagination does weird things. Will try a few things but here is my questions: 1.Am I doing any harm running odd lengths - does it draw wrong (I am technically incompetent) - I assume not. 2.Does it make sense I hear it softer/quieter? I hear the naim cable as rather soft which is okay. I can of course just trim one big piece to about 4 metres in 2 half's (they are only terminated at one end so no harm done really) but am not convinced I will keep them - just playing around. System is Rega Apollo, Naim Nait 5i, Images 414. there is no balance control on amp. I am enjoying learning from members experience hence questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper1553552708 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Ha ha, just ignore my PM. I see all is well and already causing more questions! I recall a long thread a while ago regarding different length cables, I'll try to find it. Found it here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nixon76 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I think it was me who was a poster in the previous odd length thread. My wife and I could tell the difference between the odd lengths (3m vs 7m). It was annoying enough to get matching (7m) lengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cortisolman Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I have different length cables, but the total adds up to less than 5m so it's not large. I haven't tried similar lengths, although, I am curious. It's never bothered me that they've been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 In my old system I had to run both sets of cable around one side of the room. One was 7 meters and the other 11(!!!!), and when I got rid of them I realised the longer cable was also thinner than the short one! But, to be honest, I didn't notice any reduction in sound quality from either speaker. I now run my cable under the floorboards and they are about 6 meters now. I have a new amp now so can't compare. I'm one of the unfortunates who has to have his speakers behind me, due to room size constraints, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 sirAndy;104586 wrote: In my old system I had to run both sets of cable around one side of the room. One was 7 meters and the other 11(!!!!), and when I got rid of them I realised the longer cable was also thinner than the short one! But, to be honest, I didn't notice any reduction in sound quality from either speaker. I now run my cable under the floorboards and they are about 6 meters now. I have a new amp now so can't compare. I'm one of the unfortunates who has to have his speakers behind me, due to room size constraints, etc . Doesn't that make for a very weird soundstage..speakers behind you? I prefer them in front of me, personally... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Newbie;104589 wrote: Doesn't that make for a very weird soundstage..speakers behind you? I prefer them in front of me, personally... Yeah it took some getting used to but I'm okay with it now. I still get a good soundstage and I have a sweet spot. I kind of liken it to listening with headphones - maybe not the best analogy but I use it . I can't wait to have them in front though. Need a bigger house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Now I'm not sure if your taking the piss or serious...that's a worry! BTW, back on topic, I prefer equal lengths. Generally speaking, longer lengths makes the sound worse. Go for as short as possible but equal, otherwise one side will sound bad, the other better. I say make them the same so that they will equally sound bad! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Newbie;104592 wrote: I say make them the same so that they will equally sound bad! :D Good advice. And no, I'm quite serious. That may well be a worry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citroen Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 sirAndy;104593 wrote: Good advice. And no, I'm quite serious. That may well be a worry! Are you just winding me up? If you're serious, then I think we need to start up a fund. Just log in to "SaveSirA.FromNearFieldListening.co.nz". Here's the first five bucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Newbie;104594 wrote: Are you just winding me up? If you're serious, then I think we need to start up a fund. Just log in to "SaveSirA.FromNearFieldListening.co.nz". Here's the first five bucks... Ha ha ha! Nope. I'm serious. I don't mean they're directly behind me. There's enough distance to give me a sweet spot (ask Omegaspeedy). It's not ideal of course but it really does sound good. I'll take your five bucks though....... (Sorry Tamarillo, this isn't helping you, so I'll butt out now.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nixon76 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Newbie;104592 wrote: Generally speaking, longer lengths makes the sound worse. Go for as short as possible but equal Long can sound as good as short - it's just it'll cost more money to achieve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Hopper;104571 wrote: Found it here Oh er - and that thread is why I dont get into cable debated!! But the reality is that whatever effect the speaker cable ( or IC ) has on the sound signal, if any, will become modified. Your using the NAIM cables, which in my experience have tamed bright speakers. If your experience is agreeable with mine, I would suggest that maybe different lengths might make one side brighter than the other side. Probably not a good thing. "And that's about all I have to say about thayat" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarillo Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 appreciate all the comment, indeed the naim single wired is softer and warmer than the biwire VDH snowtrack I had. biwire was more impressive and in yer face and I may go back there one day but this way is more (dare I say) analogue. Fascinated by speakers behind! what about omnidirectionals like the planets and their big brothers/sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycenius Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 If there is only a couple of metres difference in the cables you probably won't notice anything IMO, especially if they are shorter runs (e.g. I use 2 x 3m & 1 x 5m Slinky for my from 3 speakers - the 5m goes to the far Pegasi, while the 3m's go to the closer one & the Phoenix centre). So when listening to Music through the Plinius I have a 3m & a 5m in use - and I'd challenge anyone to hear a difference between my 2 Pegasi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarillo Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 update...with a few hours of listening under my belt i have to concede I don't think I would pass a blind test on it. I no longer think the right is softer. I will say the naim cable does sound different but then i have changed from biwire to single at same time. Weirdly I like it that i can tell the difference - all the more reason to play. Just read the report on the demo room where the $4000 system (I am guessing Cambridge Audio though he does not say so) improved noticeably with quality power cord. Wow is my reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyboy9 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Just don't coil up spare cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T110 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 sirAndy;104596 wrote: Ha ha ha! Nope. I'm serious. I don't mean they're directly behind me. There's enough distance to give me a sweet spot (ask Omegaspeedy). It's not ideal of course but it really does sound good. I'll take your five bucks though....... (Sorry Tamarillo, this isn't helping you, so I'll butt out now.) SirAndy,If you take your catsuit off, does your sweetspot sound the same? I would expect rather a significant loss of direction and focus without them big pointy ears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 SirAndy, pics please? I tried reversing a chair, in the sweet spot for normal listening last night, and it sounded like... well.. not too great. And the view, straight into a burgundy curtain was less appealing too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I'll try to put some pictures up tonight. I feel like I've confessed a great sin . It's not ideal, I know but it isn't as bad as it seems. Omegaspeedy has heard it and unless he's being very polite, he says it sounds okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedog Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 tamarillo;104629 wrote: update...with a few hours of listening under my belt i have to concede I don't think I would pass a blind test on it. I no longer think the right is softer. I will say the naim cable does sound different but then i have changed from biwire to single at same time. Weirdly I like it that i can tell the difference - all the more reason to play. Just read the report on the demo room where the $4000 system (I am guessing Cambridge Audio though he does not say so) improved noticeably with quality power cord. Wow is my reaction. Pretty sure its Arcam / image speakers and Wow is right ! makes a huge differance :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie1553552694 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Yep, my guess is an Arcam Solo and some Image standmounts. The Demo Room do not represent Cambridge Audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarillo Posted September 29, 2009 Author Share Posted September 29, 2009 I stand corrected - arcam it was in demo room. am fascinated that power cords made obvious noticeable difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarond1553552714 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 tamarillo;104649 wrote: I stand corrected - arcam it was in demo room. am fascinated that power cords made obvious noticeable difference. EHF used to sell and recommend the AudioQuest NRG power cables, I thought it was a bit of a sham until I tried one and it really helped with my then Arcam A85 integrated and CD192. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycenius Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 I certainly noticed a small difference when I put AFA cables in a while ago for my Plinius, MF A3.2, and Denon A11... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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