got tinnitus Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I wait for the local newsagent for HiFi News to arrive so it's a few months old by the time it reaches me.... But has anyone read their review of the Plinius CD101 and 9100? Overall it was good report but as KK put it, "no cigar". Apparently the amp was (perhaps) current limiting but it's not how they described it in the magazine, rather they said "compression". But this was only evident once the knob was past 2 o'clock. In my experience this is common for most hi-fi amps. Maybe KK was expecting too much from a 120w amp.... But good to read the review all the same as it piqued my interest for the brand. In a postive way. Now if only Perreaux had a mainstream presence in the UK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarond1553552714 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 got tinnitus;102117 wrote: I wait for the local newsagent for HiFi News to arrive so it's a few months old by the time it reaches me.... But has anyone read their review of the Plinius CD101 and 9100? Overall it was good report but as KK put it, "no cigar". Apparently the amp was (perhaps) current limiting but it's not how they described it in the magazine, rather they said "compression". But this was only evident once the knob was past 2 o'clock. In my experience this is common for most hi-fi amps. Maybe KK was expecting too much from a 120w amp.... But good to read the review all the same as it piqued my interest for the brand. In a postive way. Now if only Perreaux had a mainstream presence in the UK... I read this review in the weekend and my thoughts were along the same lines, isn't the 9200 model significantly more powerfull? Wouldn't you use a pre/power combo if you needed the extra power? Wow, those prices - almost the same in GBP as $NZ - when I last checked the CD101 was $NZ5500 or so, it was > 4000 GBP and the 9100 was 2600 IIRC. I had the overall impression that they would have rated both components much more highly if the price was a lot less. Still, it is good to see the brand in the mainstream press over there. I love seeing my speakers on the back cover of the mag also (even if it is the newer, Memento, version). It kind of feels like I've made it in the world. ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaspeedy Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Read the review last week and not a bad review really. I think the middle men in the deal make it non cost effective for Plinius in the UK market at present with the dollar as it is and may be a bit of 'buy uk'itis' factor come into play too. The 'no cigar' comment wouldn't be there if the greedy middle man or greedy post man didn't take such a cut:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary.M1553552674 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I haven't seen the review but I'm curious about a couple of points. 1/ Did he really run it at or beyond 2o'clock? and 2/ What loudspeakers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaspeedy Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Yes 2 o'clock he's saying runs out of steam on his Wilson Sophia 2's. So he was thrashing it if zero position point is 7 o'clock like alot of amps are. The review was very positive with many good things being said. the only criticisms being pricing and recovery on transient's when being pushed to hard. Hell this goes for any amp doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary.M1553552674 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 OK then, it was out of puff then. 2 oclock on the 9100 driven by a CD101 is clipping... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electra Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I would have thought that a reviewer for HiFi news might know what a clipping amp sounds like, and consider it to be that he might be asking too much of it rather than it not having any dynamics at higher power levels? Surely? Or is the reviewer deaf? I dont know the sophia's, but do they really need huge amounts of power to make them work, or was the reviewer just being silly? Maybe someone sould lend him a pair of perreaux 750P's. He wont clip them easily. Might need new speaker drivers after reviewing them if he runs 9100's to clipping then moans though!. Interestingly I was just involved in a cyrus unofficial thread about how the X Power monos are such amazingly powerful amplifiers and there are not really any other amplifiers which will outperform them power wise. I suggested to the poster maybe he should be looking at something built in either America or NZ, as I am sure that the 2 main kiwi companies both make amps in excess of 300wpc, and with short term current abilities that would start a bulldozer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nixon76 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 too_tall;102157 wrote: Interestingly I was just involved in a cyrus unofficial thread about how the X Power monos are such amazingly powerful amplifiers and there are not really any other amplifiers which will outperform them power wise. I suggested to the poster maybe he should be looking at something built in either America or NZ, as I am sure that the 2 main kiwi companies both make amps in excess of 300wpc, and with short term current abilities that would start a bulldozer! Haha - I've those threads on that forum before as well. I'm sure your response went down well What you must remember is that in the UK (many) houses/apartments are small, and with rooms being small such power to bring the house down isn't a necessity. I've seen people in the UK complain about why people would need TV's bigger than 27", as for many over there that's a large chunk of their livingroom :rolleyes: This is the land of companies having to make shrunken furniture to fit in the mock-whatever shrunken houses they put up nowadays Cyrus is pre-shrunk, so a perfect fit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
got tinnitus Posted September 7, 2009 Author Share Posted September 7, 2009 Maybe KK is used to traditional Log Pots? Where 5 is half as loud as 10. Not sure what the Plinius topology is for volume control but it doesn't sound like they use logarithmic(?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Kessler will often say how he doesn't listen at loud levels and talk about using low powered valve amplifiers insensitive speakers. So reports on this review have me perplexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aarond1553552714 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 I'm not familar with the 9100, but I cannot turn my M8 preamp up much past 12 o'clock without causing serious discomfort in my system from the pure SPL. In fact, I get complaints from my better half at 9 o'clock with CD input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary.M1553552674 Posted September 8, 2009 Share Posted September 8, 2009 got tinnitus;102159 wrote: Maybe KK is used to traditional Log Pots? Where 5 is half as loud as 10. Not sure what the Plinius topology is for volume control but it doesn't sound like they use logarithmic(?). Plinius is a standard log pot. I'd be surprised to find anyone using anything that deviates far from log... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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