Redesigning this table, within the legend of the SL1200 is an extremely risky proposition if they do intend to hedge their bets and appeal to the DJ market beyond nostalgia; lets be honest, modern design and manufacturing may be many things, but known to be consistently reliable and high on quality control aren't the first things that spring to mind, are they?

I thought the 1200 was still made but sold under a different name - Audio Technica?

 

Mike

There be another thread on this, somewhere.

 

Wow!

This one was started at 7:44am and the other at 7:49am

There be another thread on this, somewhere.

 

Wow!

This one was started at 7:44am and the other at 7:49am

Yep, i was 5 minutes ahead.

I know I'm good.

But the other thread seems to get more comments, maybe I'm not that good??

Might be best to lock this thread, we don't need 2.

Yep, i was 5 minutes ahead.

I know I'm good.

But the other thread seems to get more comments, maybe I'm not that good??

Might be best to lock this thread, we don't need 2.

Ask a mod to merge them

 

Edit: ah...you are pretty good mate

Edited January 6, 201610 yr by ortofun

I thought the 1200 was still made but sold under a different name - Audio Technica?

 

Mike

Not the same.

That's an 'original imitation' .

Looks the same on the outside, but that's about it.

Ask a mod to merge them

I do that tomorrow.

The info I saw indicated that it was 3-speed, so it will deliver 78rpm. Great, as the original 1200's are difficult and expensive to convert to 78 (eg. KAB). It appears that Technics have paid attention to the modding industry.

Mr Darko posted a pic of the 'SE' (?) model on Instagram... It's yours for $4000USD [emoji54][emoji33]

https://instagram.com/p/BANhK12kdqF/

Cheers,

Leigh

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Edited January 7, 201610 yr by ferchersan

Mr Darko posted a pic of the 'SE' (?) model on Instagram... It's yours for $4000USD [emoji54][emoji33]

https://instagram.com/p/BANhK12kdqF/

Cheers,

Leigh

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Figures....there is a large cost involved in tooling up for a completely new DD motor , plus all the other improvements , $4k usd ain't so bad.

Linn charge $5k just for an aluminium sub chassis upgrade.

Figures....there is a large cost involved in tooling up for a completely new DD motor , plus all the other improvements , $4k usd ain't so bad.

Linn charge $5k just for an aluminium sub chassis upgrade.

 

Yeah, but you know what the saw about a Linnie and his money......

Mr Darko posted a pic of the 'SE' (?) model on Instagram... It's yours for $4000USD [emoji54][emoji33]

https://instagram.com/p/BANhK12kdqF/

Cheers,

Leigh

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

So like $8k locally

tell them theyre dreaming...

maybe I'm not that good??

Hey don't listen to what they all say.

I still like you

Make me a down spec poor man's model and I'll think about it.  In the meantime anyone that's going to pay thousands for a TT prob has a decent one already.

So there is zero market for up-scale TTs?

Not the same.

That's an 'original imitation' .

Looks the same on the outside, but that's about it.

The opposite of Hanpins then, which look different on the outside, but that's about it.

So there is zero market for up-scale TTs?

I didn't say that.  Obviously not if people willing to pay thousands have them; then they must have bought them -already.

 

Post #34 ^.  $4 thou US !! For a 1200?

Edited January 7, 201610 yr by E.Man

I didn't say that.  Obviously not if people willing to pay thousands have them; then they must have bought them -already.

How does that logic only apply based on a price point? If someone is willing to pay $1 for something then they must have bought it already? Maybe I'm having a slow day?

The opposite of Hanpins then, which look different on the outside, but that's about it.

Exactly. These are 'different' (new motor) inside, same outside. Hanpins and derivatives are roughly same internals derived from expired patents (but with differences on the wow/flutter on spec sheet) as the old models inside and slight variations on the theme outside. Have I missed something?

 

The $4k model is the 1000 unit only limited edition with magnesium tonearm right?

Exactly. These are 'different' (new motor) inside, same outside. Hanpins and derivatives are roughly same internals derived from expired patents (but with differences on the wow/flutter on spec sheet) as the old models inside and slight variations on the theme outside. Have I missed something?

The $4k model is the 1000 unit only limited edition with magnesium tonearm right?

The 1200GAE is the limited edition model with magnesium tonearm.....1200 units only to be made.

Rumoured to be $4kusd.

Perhaps technics should have picked a different name as it is a completely different turntable ...they will surely get negative comments about the perceived high price from those who think it is just a remake of the old 1200mk2.

Perhaps I'm viewing this slightly askew chaps, but if the 1200 is no longer the 1200 - then what (other than brand recognition) are we being asked to stump up for here?

Panasonic as a company, are not known for making turntables - much less high end tables. Technics is a brand of the Panasonic company that ARE known for their tables but ceased production in 2010. (Yep, we know all this - what's your point?) My point is - the 1200 was designed by a team of engineers in Japan in the 70s. It's a design that has been tweaked in the years since but for all intents and purposes has stayed true to the original design and has become legendary for its rock solid performance (direct drive motor - I'm looking at you) and its general rugged durability (plinth, platter and isolation) while maintaining a better than average sound quality (hello, arm) - it's a design that has lasted the distance and met every bloody challenge thrown at it and love 'em or loathe 'em a hell of a lot of them are still going strong... If you take out the motor, take out the arm and play with the platter and isolating properties - all you are left with of the original design is the name and aesthetic. T'would seem to me that the very soul of this legend has been ripped out, tossed aside and a premium price tag attached?

There would appear to be questions to be answered here; who 'redesigned' this deck and what is their background in turntable design? Are they vinyl enthusiasts themselves and have a solid grasp of 'the theory' or have they just recieved a design brief and created something that looks right and measures well?

If this is just about nostalgia so that bored, middle class boomers have something that looks the part to play their Neil Young reissues on, then fine - but if we are expected to embrace this as the evolution of a legend - I think we need more information.

Oh, and as an aside - the cost of tooling can just as easily be recouped by selling far more units at a lower price point.

Rant over.

Heathen

The 1200GAE is the limited edition model with magnesium tonearm.....1200 units only to be made.

Rumoured to be $4kusd.

Perhaps technics should have picked a different name as it is a completely different turntable ...they will surely get negative comments about the perceived high price from those who think it is just a remake of the old 1200mk2.

 

Agree. US$4000 for a well made turntable with a newly developed direct drive motor and magnesium tonearm is a reasonable price to me. Naming it the SL1200 seems odd as it's not that long since they were last available and the focus would be taken away from the improvements and would concentrate on the new price.

 

Looking at some of the blogs on the net about this and there's already heaps of comments from people new to vinyl who don't know about Technics rich history regarding turntables who are asking why  a copy of an Audio Technica USB turntable will be so expensive just from looking at photos.

They've probably called it a 1200 because of the huge awareness amongst younger people. 

I agree that because it's got completely different guts it should be called something different.  Perhaps they should have incremented the model number, to SL-1300.  No wait, that's taken.  SL-1400 - opps, same again. SL-1500.. 1600... 1700... 1800... 2000 - all taken.  Let's go backwards - SL1100, 1000 - sorry.  And there was a SL-3000 and 5000 series as well.  That leaves a gap - we can call it the SL-4000, which would be chronologically confusing.  So it will have to be the SL-6000.  Which would mean nothing to the DJs, who probably understand the generic term "1200" to mean "turntable". 

Very tempting indeed.

I was going to grab the pioneer but will now hold off for the new 1200.

 

 

At US 4k for the 1200, the Pioneer is still a bargin. 

Edited January 7, 201610 yr by metal beat

Agree. US$4000 for a well made turntable with a newly developed direct drive motor and magnesium tonearm is a reasonable price to me. Naming it the SL1200 seems odd as it's not that long since they were last available and the focus would be taken away from the improvements and would concentrate on the new price.

 

Looking at some of the blogs on the net about this and there's already heaps of comments from people new to vinyl who don't know about Technics rich history regarding turntables who are asking why  a copy of an Audio Technica USB turntable will be so expensive just from looking at photos.

 

 

And this will be IMO why the relaunch has a high probability of failure.  

 

Really not sure why Technics have taken this approach as they lock out all the dj's and vinyl newbies on price and make every audiophile think twice about buying one, was it looks like a $500 1970's SL1200, not a 4k table.

 

Hopefully the non anniversary one will be under $1200?.