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Righto, done a fair few searches on the net for about a month and I am still none the wiser committing to a cart for my LP12.

 

I did up my LP12 to all Mober (another thread), and recently purchased a Gold Note PH10 with PSU. I currently have a a Benz Micro Ace S that came with my original LP12. The owner has no idea of hours used but it is pretty good. As usual, always think I could do better (curse of the upgradeitis!)

 

Have seriously considered Dynavector XX2 mkII, Gold Note Donatello and even a Garrott Bros Optim Ruby FGS. Looking up to $2K.

 

Help!

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There was a little used Krystal on here a couple years ago- I would be keen to try one as my next cart.

 

At present I am quite liking the AT33PTG/II and wonder how much better it can get?

 

Happy with the Gold Note?  I have been thinking of new (used) phono stage too...

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, metal beat said:

Dynavector cartridges work perfectly with LP12.      The XX2 would be a great choice.

 

As does Lyra if you want to go up the ladder - Lyra make the Linn top cart.

Looked at the Delos. Bit pricer but knew they made carts for Linn. Could be a good choice.

11 minutes ago, Tim D said:

There was a little used Krystal on here a couple years ago- I would be keen to try one as my next cart.

 

At present I am quite liking the AT33PTG/II and wonder how much better it can get?

 

Happy with the Gold Note?  I have been thinking of new (used) phono stage too...

 

 

 

The GN is a cracker. Really enjoy changing settings easily on the fly. I got mine here for $2.5K with the external PSU. Great value.

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1 hour ago, rodders3 said:

 

The GN is a cracker. Really enjoy changing settings easily on the fly. I got mine here for $2.5K with the external PSU. Great value.

 

 

It's a great-sounding phono stage but the "easily changed" phono settings are only 9 in number:

  • 10
  • 22
  • 47
  • 100
  • 220
  • 470
  • 1K
  • 22K
  • 47K.

 

These values favour those LOMCs which have low recommended loadings ... but, for instance, would not suit the Benz LP which I used to have - which preferred 3300 ohms.

 

What cart are you using with it?

 

Andy

 

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7 minutes ago, andyr said:

 

It's a great-sounding phono stage but the "easily changed" phono settings are only 9 in number:

  • 10
  • 22
  • 47
  • 100
  • 220
  • 470
  • 1K
  • 22K
  • 47K.

 

These values favour those LOMCs which have low recommended loadings ... but, for instance, would not suit the Benz LP which I used to have - which preferred 3300 ohms.

 

What cart are you using with it?

 

Andy

 

Got the Benz Micro Ace SL.

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5 minutes ago, rodders3 said:

Got the Benz Micro Ace SL.

 

That might just be OK rodders!  :)

 

Specs say Micro Ace SL loading is >120 ohms.

 

This is precisely 10x the coil resistance - ie. 120 ohms is obtained by the commonly used "10x" factor, in terms of loading.

 

I will merely point out that my Benz LP (coil resistance 33 ohms) sounded best at 3300 ohms - so 100x coil resistance.

 

Given the Micro Ace's coil resistance is 12 ohms ... if you used the 1K option, I expect you would find this the best sound out of all the options the GN offers.  I doubt giving it 1200 ohms loading would change the sound for the better.

 

Andy

 

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5 minutes ago, andyr said:

 

That might just be OK rodders!  :)

 

Specs say Micro Ace SL loading is >120 ohms.

 

This is precisely 10x the coil resistance - ie. 120 ohms is obtained by the commonly used "10x" factor, in terms of loading.

 

I will merely point out that my Benz LP (coil resistance 33 ohms) sounded best at 3300 ohms - so 100x coil resistance.

 

Given the Micro Ace's coil resistance is 12 ohms ... if you used the 1K option, I expect you would find this the best sound out of all the options the GN offers.  I doubt giving it 1200 ohms loading would change the sound for the better.

 

Andy

 

 

I agree with Andy.    Benz carts need to be run more open as they can sound a little polite and lacking extension imo - try higher loading and see how it sounds.

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I’ve heard the Lyra Delos and of course have the DV XX2.
The Delos sounded a little lean to me and quite bright.
Whereas the DV XX2 more neutral with a slight elevation in the bass.
This review shows the FR of the DV XX2:
(apologies if it’s not too clear)
IMG_0047.jpg

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May I suggest the Dynavector Karat 17d3 ( now replaced by 17dx). It has the best virtues of the Delos and the XX2. 

 

I preferred it to the xX2. The Xx2 was a bit too dark for me. I think the 17d3 was the biggest bargain out there in vinyl land. It’s fast lively and colourful without sounding fizzy or bright which annoyed me about the Delos when I had one. 

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Thanks for the suggestions guys. Interesting the karat suggestion but it is 11g which is outside the range of my akito tonearm which is rated to 10g.  I was hoping to get something today. Melbourne hifi seem to have dynavector but sonic purity almost sounds like a side business for the two blokes that run it. No info on business hours on website so I rang and it seemed to be more sporadic than set times and no weekend. Makes it difficult to test before purchase.

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9 minutes ago, rodders3 said:

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Interesting the karat suggestion but it is 11g which is outside the range of my akito tonearm which is rated to 10g.  I was hoping to get something today. Melbourne hifi seem to have dynavector but sonic purity almost sounds like a side business for the two blokes that run it. No info on business hours on website so I rang and it seemed to be more sporadic than set times and no weekend. Makes it difficult to test before purchase.

I beleive the Akito has an effective mass of 9-10gm. The Karat is 15cu so will work perfectly with your arm. You should get a resonance frequency of 9hz. 

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1 minute ago, hugo_wilco said:

I beleive the Akito has an effective mass of 9-10gm. The Karat is 15cu so will work perfectly with your arm. You should get a resonance frequency of 9hz. 

For the money that throws some serious consideration. I now nothing about this stuff and just assumed the cart would need to be within that range. Thanks for the info @hugo_wilco. I see the new karat is US$2250 which is at least AUD$3156.

The D3 is currently $1760.

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48 minutes ago, rodders3 said:

Thanks for the suggestions guys. Interesting the karat suggestion but it is 11g which is outside the range of my akito tonearm which is rated to 10g.  I was hoping to get something today. Melbourne hifi seem to have dynavector but sonic purity almost sounds like a side business for the two blokes that run it. No info on business hours on website so I rang and it seemed to be more sporadic than set times and no weekend. Makes it difficult to test before purchase.

You might still be able to buy the older version of the 17D3 which is much lighter and cheaper. I have one and IMO it is a fabulous cart very fast and has so much musicality.  It is neutral and true to the recording.

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