Damn! Missed the JVC x7900 at $5300 - Alternatives?

[bigkid]

Hi all. 

 

I am kicking myself. I delayed purchasing the JVC x7900 on the basis that there was a strong possibility another shipment would find its way to Australia, and there might have been a further price drop. More fool me! That seems less and less likely. Can't seem to find one anywhere. So, I am now looking for an alternative up to $5,500.  The projector needs to throw to a 96in screen from about 4m, viewing distance is about 3.4m. The room suffers from a bit of ambient light, which is not catastrophic as almost all our viewing is done in the evening. There is a photo of the room on this thread:
 

  

Looking for a projector can cope with 4K but not necessarily natively 4K and with good contrast. Ideally I'd like something with a similar feature set and quality of the 7900 (I know, a big ask  ).

Appreciate your advice.

Cheers,

 

Allan

 

[betty boop]

put a wtb in for any 7 series jvc. dont restrict to just 7900, the 7000, 7500 or 7900 would expand options...  a low hours (under 1000 or there about ) would be like new pretty much.

 

am sure something will turn up...

 

other options under $5500 is epson 9400 which isnt even full bandwidth hdmi or an older sony but they were all missing something or other ! 

[Quark]

There will probably be plenty of low hour X5900/X7900/X9900 and X7500/X9500/X7000/X9000 being offered here in a few weeks as NX5/NX7 deliveries commence. 

 

You may be wary of used gear, but at least you can check out convergence and focus before you buy... New projectors can be a lottery with convergence/focus and some retailers/distributors can try to fob you off even when there's a real issue.

 

Edit: I see Al beat me to it.

Edited January 18, 2019 by Quark

[Owen]

A used JVC is the go, a better option then a new one IMHO.

[hopefullguy]

most likely correct..jvc owners love to update to the newest and that means bargains for those wanting to wait.. do jvc pj's go DOWN to 96". is that size classed as "HT".. :-)

[IMDave]

Absolutely. 

Once the N-series hit the ground here I'm sure you'd be able to pick up @betty boop 's  X7000 ( under 1000 hrs, and treated with care ) for a steal.

@wooferocau 's photo in the other thread is a crack up.

[betty boop]

14 minutes ago, IMDave said:

Absolutely. 

Once the N-series hit the ground here I'm sure you'd be able to pick up @betty boop 's  X7000 ( under 1000 hrs, and treated with care ) for a steal.

@wooferocau 's photo in the other thread is a crack up.

mine is "off the market"   but no doubt be others  

[gillmaverick]

Mate ,

Hang in there and keep your eye on ebay and SNA Classified. I scored myself an DLA-X9000  last month for a  steel.

Good Luck ,

[flamjam]

Are there no 9900's left in Aus either?

[bigkid]

Thanks guys. There is a 9 month old 7900 on ebay, but local pickup only, two states away. I'll keep an eye out for other s/h JVC's. Haven't looked into the 9900 flamjam, but will do so tomorrow.

 

And you never know. Maybe if I hold out JVC will relent and bring some more into the country.

 

Cheers,

 

Allan

[flamjam]

Thanks guys. There is a 9 month old 7900 on ebay, but local pickup only, two states away. I'll keep an eye out for other s/h JVC's. Haven't looked into the 9900 flamjam, but will do so tomorrow.
 
And you never know. Maybe if I hold out JVC will relent and bring some more into the country.
 
Cheers,
 
Allan

With the run out pricing on the 9900, you'd be mad not to consider it if stock is still available and you were looking for a 7900

[bigkid]

On 18/01/2019 at 5:21 PM, Quark said:

There will probably be plenty of low hour X5900/X7900/X9900 and X7500/X9500/X7000/X9000 being offered here in a few weeks as NX5/NX7 deliveries commence. 

 

You may be wary of used gear, but at least you can check out convergence and focus before you buy... New projectors can be a lottery with convergence/focus and some retailers/distributors can try to fob you off even when there's a real issue.

 

Edit: I see Al beat me to it.

Hi Quark et al,

 

I have my eye on a 7900 2 states away. If I can convince the seller to post it, is there anything I can do to 'test' convergence and focus before buying, remotely? Is that something that can be done with screen shots?

 

Cheers, Allan

[Quark]

With the convergence adjustments in these, any convergence issues can usually be hidden, so not really practical to check. Typically you would see some colour fringing around text in a screenshot. If a purple fringe, that's chromatic aberration (lens bending colours differently) - not normally an issue with JVCs.

 

For focus, the best test from afar is a hi-res screenshot, taken with a good camera, showing text across the screen. Look for even focus across the image, particularly centre vs corners. Only problem is the image can only be as good as the camera and its operator (e.g. you might be surprised how many SLR lenses have visible chromatic aberration).

 

 

[betty boop]

3 hours ago, bigkid said:

Hi Quark et al,

 

I have my eye on a 7900 2 states away. If I can convince the seller to post it, is there anything I can do to 'test' convergence and focus before buying, remotely? Is that something that can be done with screen shots?

 

Cheers, Allan

difficult allan, as line i take is unless can be seen from viewing position I wouldnt worry. reality also is it can change in transit. just as happens with even new units .... I wouldnt be too worried as again one thing with test patterns another thing with actual material.... and whether visible back from viewing distance....

 

am with quark, not really sure how practical to check....

 

edit: but honestly it shouldn't put you off buying as long as shipped in original factory packaging. take out shipping insurance if concerned.

[bigkid]

Thanks Quark and betty boop. I'll suss him out re the packaging. It may be that he is not keen to ship in any case. Will let you know. Cheers and thanks again, Allan.

 

[poppybob]

Thanks Quark and betty boop. I'll suss him out re the packaging. It may be that he is not keen to ship in any case. Will let you know. Cheers and thanks again, Allan.
 

May have missed it somewhere, but what state are you at bigkid?

[cwt]

3 hours ago, poppybob said:

May have missed it somewhere, but what state are you at bigkid?

Ime shocked ; you don't know where Mooloolaba is ? Shocked /dismayed /perplexed ...

Google says Queensland 

[bigkid]

Haha! Yes, Qld, an hour north of Brisbane. Retired here from Sydney, and by comparison, it is pure bliss!!  (Although a bit hard to find a good s/h JVC locally!  )

 

Cheers,

 

Allan

[Owen]

23 hours ago, Quark said:

With the convergence adjustments in these, any convergence issues can usually be hidden,

 

There is no such thing as real "convergence" adjustment with any digital projector, they are fixed pixel devices with no way to move the image in less than full pixel increments, and obviously no way to adjust one area of the screen independently of the rest.

The so called "convergence" adjustments provided are actually a blur function, several pixels are used to do the job of one which inevitably results in a drastic loss of resolution and if you display a resolution test pattern this will be obvious. With actual movies this is much less of an issue since movies don't have pixel level resolution and therefore resolution loss will likely go unnoticed.

 

A word of warning people, never, ever attempt to correct chromatic aberations via adjustment as that will really screw up your resolution in a noticeable way. If you can see aberrations at a norman viewing distance the lens is faulty.

Remember, if you have to use an adjoining pixel to correct a colour fringe you resolution is HALVED and chromatic aberrations extend over several pixels so you can imagine the damage "convergence" correction will do.

 

As far as I am concerned, if convergence is out by more than about half a pixel with no sub pixel correction applied the projector is defective. Luckily neither of my JVC projectors was out of spec so they performed best without any so called "convergence" adjustment.

When evaluating projectors make sure the "convergence" adjustments are disabled, and with E-Shift JVC's that E-Shift is off so you can see the pixel structure.

 

If you can't see any issues at your normal viewing distance, and with a projector that is working properly you wont, forget about convergence. Don't attempt to fix what isn't broken as you will do more harm than good.

[bigkid]

Unless there is some give, it looks like the price on the 7900 is gonna be a bit steep for me for a s/h projector.  I must also admit to a growing reluctance in accepting the risk of buying sight unseen and then shipping, from a private seller. Options are probably a bit limited and restricted to SE Qld.

 

I am leaning towards the Epson 9400 due out soon, which is more in my range. But I have spotted the Benq W11000 on sale for $5599 in the higher end of my range. Anyone with much experience on this model in a non-purpose built setting?

 

Cheers,

 

Allan

[betty boop]

1 hour ago, bigkid said:

Unless there is some give, it looks like the price on the 7900 is gonna be a bit steep for me for a s/h projector.  I must also admit to a growing reluctance in accepting the risk of buying sight unseen and then shipping, from a private seller. Options are probably a bit limited and restricted to SE Qld.

 

I am leaning towards the Epson 9400 due out soon, which is more in my range. But I have spotted the Benq W11000 on sale for $5599 in the higher end of my range. Anyone with much experience on this model in a non-purpose built setting?

 

Cheers,

 

Allan

ive owned epson before and seen the 9400 and it is not in the league of jvcs. re the benq is that the one that cant even take wide colour  space signal, instead, throws away that info from uhd and instead try to do some sort of emulation/upscale for wider colour space. utterly bizarre ! it also lacks support for HDR. all kind of bizarre for projector costing what it is that have to miss out on WCG and HDR ! 

 

yes read article below, have read other reviews saying same,

 

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-benq-w11000-only-thx-certified-dlp-4k-uhd-projector-you-can-buy-today

 

"Connectivity-wise, the W11000 has two HDMI ports, but only one supports HDMI 2.0 for 4K/60p and HDCP 2.2 and 4K upscaling. It also has a D-Sub connection and LAN port. Missing however are support for HDR and the BT.2020 color space, which is a bit of a letdown if you’ve a 4K UHD Blu-ray player like the Samsung UBD-K8500 that supports HDR10 titles. This omission undeniably makes the projector less future-proof."

 

its also a DLP so you want to be sure you are ok with rainbows.... which a lot of folk unfortunately are not... myself included as I discovered. once you see them you cant stop not seeing them...

 

I'd just hold your horses... hang in there. you are just trying to buy a 2nd hand projector in a time no one has the current projector for sale or any stocks of the new range coming. so not many are going to be looking to move on from what they have. will happen in time...

[bigkid]

Hi Al.

 

Yes, I read that about the Benq since I posted. I also see that it also converts 50Hz content (Australian DVDs for example) to 60Hz which apparently means jerky panning and text scrolling. I have thousands of Aussie DVDs.  I don't want to spend $$$ and see a jerky image. So I'll take your advice and hold off a while longer. Getting bit antsy as my wife has been eyeing off my savings for a holiday!!!   

 

Cheers,

 

Allan

[bigkid]

Hi all once again. I have managed to purchase a s/h JVC DLA-x7900 which is being shipped next week from Melbourne to Mooloolaba. I won't be able install it for some time and I presently don't have a lot of wall space to project an image. The best space I have would put the 7900 about 2.30m from an off-white wall for a 56in 16x9 image. Given this limitation, apart from the obvious - turning it on and making sure there are no odd noises coming from the projector - is there anything I can do to see whether it is in good order?

 

Appreciate your continuing advice guys.

 

Cheers,

 

Allan

[betty boop]

32 minutes ago, bigkid said:

Hi all once again. I have managed to purchase a s/h JVC DLA-x7900 which is being shipped next week from Melbourne to Mooloolaba. I won't be able install it for some time and I presently don't have a lot of wall space to project an image. The best space I have would put the 7900 about 2.30m from an off-white wall for a 56in 16x9 image. Given this limitation, apart from the obvious - turning it on and making sure there are no odd noises coming from the projector - is there anything I can do to see whether it is in good order?

 

Appreciate your continuing advice guys.

 

Cheers,

 

Allan

I would fully test it on some wall ... no matter how small or large the image. Even if it’s plugging a player in directly make sure works

[bigkid]

So Al, just plug in a source and watch a video and check it looks as expected (fantastic, no less!!)? Nothing more complicated than that. I can manage that.