metal beat Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 TECHNICS PRESENTS PROTOTYPE OF THE NEW REFERENCE CLASS TURNTABLE SP-10RPRESS RELEASE AUGUST 30, 2017Technics presents prototype of the new reference class turntable SP-10RExceptional sound quality through innovative direct drive with extra heavy platterTo kick off the IFA 2017 in Berlin Technics are introducing a new benchmark model for turntable with direct drive known. The SP-10R is so far the highest-quality model of high-end audio brand. It is expected to arrive in early summer 2018 to the market. At the International Consumer Electronics Fair in Berlin Technics unveiled the prototype of the new model, which occupies the top position in terms of signal to noise ratio (S / N) and rotational stability worldwide.Reflecting the highest standards in the previous Technics Line-upAfter the launch of the SL-1200GAE / G both the previous and the SL-1200GR earlier this year took Technics on developing its hitherto most powerful record player. The SP-10R combines the latest digital and analog technologies. This makes the new model obtained in all previous Technics turntables best values in the areas of noise ratio (S / N), speed stability, pitch and flutter.In the prototype of the SP-10R Technics combines a coreless direct drive motor with a seven-kilogram platter.Technics SP10Reference class turntable for unique sound experienceThe Technics SP-10R features a newly developed coreless direct drive motor. About the applied already in the SL-1200G twin rotor drive system also integrates these additionally attached on both sides of the rotor stator coils. In this way, the disc player generates an even higher torque for an even more confident driving.The heavy platter of the SP-10R has a three-layer structure which is composed as well as the SL-1200G of a brass plate, an aluminum die-cast plate and a vibration-damping rubber layer. By optimizing the natural resonant frequency of each layer are even minimal vibrations that may be caused by external influences, eliminated and ensures an exceptionally clear and precise sound.The SP-10R also has an extremely low-noise switching power supply. Compared to a transformer-based power supply, the power supply of the SP-10R humming noises and vibrations suppressed more efficiently. Since the power supply is disconnected from the turntable, the transfer unwanted noise to the case in favor of a clear and detailed sound is avoided.LaunchTechnics is working intensively on the launch of SP-10R in early summer 2018. The new reference class model will be fully compatible with the systems SP10MK2 from 1975 and SP-10MK3 1981 - the two previous systems that have long belonged to the basic equipment of professional broadcasters and to date are appreciated by audiophiles worldwide and used. In addition Technics plans to introduce a complete turntable system based on the SP-10R including a tone arm and other components.www.technics.com 11
Guest Hensa Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Yummy! Can't wait to hear it when you get one in your system, Shane!
aussievintage Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Very pretty. I'd love to have one too. I find it odd though, that a company that is trying to show it's great attention to detail and design, doesn't bother to get the language correct in the publicity, such as above... Quote About the applied already in the SL-1200G twin rotor drive system also integrates these additionally attached on both sides of the rotor stator coils. ??? 1
Tasebass Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) Most of the blurb sounds odd IMO... "By optimizing the natural resonant frequency of each layer are even minimal vibrations that may be caused by external influences, " What?? and no mention of bearing technology ... Tase Edited August 30, 2017 by Tasebass
aussievintage Posted August 30, 2017 Posted August 30, 2017 Yes, if it wasn't such a well known brand I would start to worry about QC more generally.
Full Range Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, aussievintage said: Very pretty. I'd love to have one too. I find it odd though, that a company that is trying to show it's great attention to detail and design, doesn't bother to get the language correct in the publicity, such as above... ??? 57 minutes ago, Tasebass said: Most of the blurb sounds odd IMO... "By optimizing the natural resonant frequency of each layer are even minimal vibrations that may be caused by external influences, " What?? and no mention of bearing technology ... Tase 35 minutes ago, aussievintage said: Yes, if it wasn't such a well known brand I would start to worry about QC more generally. Sack the marketing department as it shows the inexperience
Hergest Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 4 hours ago, Tasebass said: Most of the blurb sounds odd IMO... "By optimizing the natural resonant frequency of each layer are even minimal vibrations that may be caused by external influences, " What?? and no mention of bearing technology ... Tase Being a direct drive then there is no bearing surely?
Guest Hensa Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hergest said: Being a direct drive then there is no bearing surely? There has to be a bearing regardless of drive mechanism. Maybe you're thinking of the "pulley" which is specific to a belt-drive?
Hergest Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Hensa said: There has to be a bearing regardless of drive mechanism. Maybe you're thinking of the "pulley" which is specific to a belt-drive? Well yes, anything that rotates has to have a bearing of some kind or it wouldn't move but when we talk of turntable bearings I take it to mean spindle bearings -sintered bronze, teflon, thrust plates, sapphire balls, oil baths, dry etc, that kind of thing. With a direct drive the platter rotates with the motor so there is no spindle bearing in this case, at least not one that relates to the quietness and smoothness of the platter's movement. With a direct drive the discussion tends to be more directed to the motor's quality. As always though I'm willing to be educated. It's great to see the SP-10 back again, I wasn't sure if Technics would resurrect it. I wonder what plinth options they might offer for it? Edited August 31, 2017 by Hergest 1
Guest Hensa Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 4 minutes ago, Hergest said: As always though I'm willing to be educated. As am I! I'd always just assumed the bearing was still critical in direct drive technology. The availability of bearing upgrades for turntables such as the Technics 1200 always suggested to me that this was the case. While the platter is, with DD, rotated by a high torque motor and without a belt, the quality of the bearing still determines the silence (lack of rumble) with which it rotates. Possibly of less significance than with the low torque belt-driven motors but important nonetheless.
Hergest Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Hensa said: As am I! I'd always just assumed the bearing was still critical in direct drive technology. The availability of bearing upgrades for turntables such as the Technics 1200 always suggested to me that this was the case. While the platter is, with DD, rotated by a high torque motor and without a belt, the quality of the bearing still determines the silence (lack of rumble) with which it rotates. Possibly of less significance than with the low torque belt-driven motors but important nonetheless. See? I've learnt something already I knew there were plenty of upgrades available for the 1200, (I used to lust after a Timestep full on upgraded just for the sake of it) but didn't realise, or pay attention to what was done as regards the bearing.
aussievintage Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 Of course there is still a bearing. Just because the platter spindle is also the motor shaft, doesn't mean it doesn't need a bearing to spin freely, and it should be a good one of course, to minimise noise.
Tasebass Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hergest said: Being a direct drive then there is no bearing surely? "Drive" and "Bearing"....2 completely different techs... IMO THE BEARING is THE most the important aspect of a ....TurnTable.... In the case of this "new" model it will certainly be in there somewhere......argh wait!!...maybe the Blurb says something but got lost in translation... ( they do mention lowest S/N ratio Soooooo..) Tase Edited August 31, 2017 by Tasebass
TOPSHELF Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 No one has mentioned the price, not wanting to be rude but how much would one cost?Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
aussievintage Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 Cost too much for me I expect. Saw some guesses on AK at $8000, $10000, ... noone really knows
Guest kab Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 I don't even listen to records these days, but man that gives me the horn!!!
metal beat Posted August 31, 2017 Author Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) It is amazing how close in measurements the new motor is to the old one, if not the same. If the press release reads correctly you could fit it straight into the original SP10 mk3 SH 10B5 plinth. Edited August 31, 2017 by metal beat 7 1
MattyW Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 I'll stick with what I already have I guess. Both my systems are better than what I grew up with so I'm happy enough. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
Hergest Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, aussievintage said: Of course there is still a bearing. Just because the platter spindle is also the motor shaft, doesn't mean it doesn't need a bearing to spin freely, and it should be a good one of course, to minimise noise. Well you're a pleasant chap, thanks for all your effort in replying. Edited August 31, 2017 by Hergest
aussievintage Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 9 hours ago, Hergest said: Well you're a pleasant chap, thanks for all your effort in replying. I realise that tone of voice etc is absent with internet posts, but I really can't figure out why you took offence. I am sorry, but believe me, none was intended at all.
Guest guru Posted August 31, 2017 Posted August 31, 2017 There are new videos posted via the mono/stereo blog site showing the assembly and how the platter just screws onto a platform sitting above the motor assembly so talk of bearings is only relevant to motor shaft bearings in this case.
maxspl Posted September 1, 2017 Posted September 1, 2017 What are the chances of ever getting these in Australia though. We still can't even get the SL1200G here.
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