debruis Posted July 25, 2010 Posted July 25, 2010 Hi Everyone, I have started a project that may be of interest to you all. It is a C-BUS smarthome with multi-zone HD video/audio and home networking. The home's lighting,climate control,audio & video can be controlled by Iphone,Universal remote etc and/or via keypad and computers. Each of the 4 Bedroom has it own dedicated zone of audio including a local area input for Ipod/MP3 player. Bedroom speakers will be Krix Holographix powered by 25watt C-BUS enabled amplifiers located in the living room AV cupboard. For HD video each room will be connected to a 4 input HDMI matrix switch that will be located in the Living room AV cupboard. The HDMI is run using 2 CAT6s and a balun at each end The Living room will have a 5.1 system consisting DENON/ONKYO AVR and a BOSE AM6/10 speaker system and LCD TV. The CBUS system consists of 50 channels of dimmers and 12 channels of relays. All lighting will be LED. The Home networking consist of Cat6 cabling to each room and a Draft N access and point on 2 floors. There is also a dedicated communication cabinet installed under the house. All network,pay TV and FTA outlets will terminate here. The cabinet will also house a cable modem and gigabyte router I will post photos of the project as it progresses in the next week or so. You will be able to view cabling installation,switchboard installations communication cabinet installlation, av cupboard installation and CBUS installation. Hopefully it may give you some ideas for your next big build.
brodricj Posted July 25, 2010 Posted July 25, 2010 (edited) ...The CBUS system consists of 50 channels of dimmers and 12 channels of relays. All lighting will be LED.... CBUS dimmers and LED's, hmmmmm....Has a CBUS certified installer actually recommended that, or are you just assuming it can be done? I wasn't aware Clipsal had OK'd any LED's for use with CBUS dimmers. Edited July 25, 2010 by beejay76
debruis Posted July 25, 2010 Author Posted July 25, 2010 CBUS dimmers and LED's, hmmmmm....Has a CBUS certified installer actually recommended that, or are you just assuming it can be done? I wasn't aware Clipsal had OK'd any LED's for use with CBUS dimmers. New led fittings available that work with leading and trailing dimming ballasts. Fitting is straight replacement for standard downlight.
brodricj Posted July 25, 2010 Posted July 25, 2010 New led fittings available that work with leading and trailing dimming ballasts.. and these are?
Mr_Ribs Posted July 29, 2010 Posted July 29, 2010 The Home networking consist of Cat6 cabling to each room and a Draft N access N is no longer a draft standard....
debruis Posted August 6, 2010 Author Posted August 6, 2010 Hi Everyone, I have started a project that may be of interest to you all. It is a C-BUS smarthome with multi-zone HD video/audio and home networking. The home's lighting,climate control,audio & video can be controlled by Iphone,Universal remote etc and/or via keypad and computers. Each of the 4 Bedroom has it own dedicated zone of audio including a local area input for Ipod/MP3 player. Bedroom speakers will be Krix Holographix powered by 25watt C-BUS enabled amplifiers located in the living room AV cupboard. For HD video each room will be connected to a 4 input HDMI matrix switch that will be located in the Living room AV cupboard. The HDMI is run using 2 CAT6s and a balun at each end The Living room will have a 5.1 system consisting DENON/ONKYO AVR and a BOSE AM6/10 speaker system and LCD TV. The CBUS system consists of 50 channels of dimmers and 12 channels of relays. All lighting will be LED. The Home networking consist of Cat6 cabling to each room and a Draft N access and point on 2 floors. There is also a dedicated communication cabinet installed under the house. All network,pay TV and FTA outlets will terminate here. The cabinet will also house a cable modem and gigabyte router I will post photos of the project as it progresses in the next week or so. You will be able to view cabling installation,switchboard installations communication cabinet installlation, av cupboard installation and CBUS installation. Hopefully it may give you some ideas for your next big build. Here are some photos of the project so far. As you can see there are quite a few cables to deal with and more to come. Purple cable is 4 core 14X0.20 speaker cable. Pink cable is CBUS Cat5e Blue cable is Cat5e Grey cables are Cat6 Black cables are RG6 and RG59 White cables are Twin & earth 1.5mm for lighting and curtains,SDI 1.5mm for curtains & Twin & earth 2.5mm for power. Cabling is fixed beneath the slab(above the false ceiling) as it reduces the risks of screws penetrating the cabling when the ceiling is being installed.
debruis Posted August 18, 2010 Author Posted August 18, 2010 Here are some photos of the project so far. As you can see there are quite a few cables to deal with and more to come.Purple cable is 4 core 14X0.20 speaker cable. Pink cable is CBUS Cat5e Blue cable is Cat5e Grey cables are Cat6 Black cables are RG6 and RG59 White cables are Twin & earth 1.5mm for lighting and curtains,SDI 1.5mm for curtains & Twin & earth 2.5mm for power. Cabling is fixed beneath the slab(above the false ceiling) as it reduces the risks of screws penetrating the cabling when the ceiling is being installed. Hi Everyone, Here are some updated pictures of the project. The AV and data cable looms for the upstairs bedroom's AV & Data cabling. The CBUS, AV cabling and power cabling for the upstairs ensuite The level 2 riser cabling power and AV/data. The TV antenna The main switch room. The four enclosures will house the 28 channels of dimmer and 24 channel of relays The data cabinet will have the cabling from the floor outlets data terminated to the corresponding patch panel for data,telephone,pay TV and FTA TV. The data cabinet will also house the Cable Modem,Router & 1000baseT switch
Ethan Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 Nice one debruis, keep the pics coming! Also definitely interested in details on what a/v distribution gear you are using as I will be hoping to do something similar (minus CBUS at this stage) when our house is finally built. Cheers.
debruis Posted August 18, 2010 Author Posted August 18, 2010 Nice one debruis, keep the pics coming! Also definitely interested in details on what a/v distribution gear you are using as I will be hoping to do something similar (minus CBUS at this stage) when our house is finally built.Cheers. Thanks for the compliment. AV equipment be used is all CBUS except for HDMI matrix which is Cypress. I have another project which is a 3 storey house multi-room video and audio installation that you maybe interested in. I will start that topic in the near future.
minty Posted August 18, 2010 Posted August 18, 2010 Hi debruis, can you give an indication of the cost of something like this? Also a breakdown of costs would be good too. Thanks.
debruis Posted August 20, 2010 Author Posted August 20, 2010 Hi debruis, can you give an indication of the cost of something like this? Also a breakdown of costs would be good too. Thanks. Sure no problem. Cables Twin & earth 2.5mm for power $1.20 per metre approx 800-900 mts Twin & earth 1.5mm for light $1.10 per metre approx 1400-1500 mts Coaxial RG6 quad for FTA and pay TV $0.70 per metre approx 350-400mts Coaxial RG59 duo for audio $0.65 per metre approx 600-650mts 4 core 14X0.20 speaker cable $3.00 per metre 150-180mts Cat5e for CBUS $1 per metre 120-150mts Cat5e for IR $0.45c per metre 150-180mts Cat6 for data,telephones and HD video $0.70 per metre 650-700mts CBUS Lighting Dimmers for 28 channels Relay for 24 channels Scene Controller Switch plates x 11 Multi-purpose sensor x 4 Equipment cost approx $13750 CBUS audio Matrix Switcher $1400 Amplifier $485 Speakers $300 a pair Data Cabinet with routers etc approx $700-800
Johnny_Boy Posted August 21, 2010 Posted August 21, 2010 Plus installation costs So about 23k for materials plus installation. And based on 1:1 ratio of cost of materials to cost of labour 50k should cover it. $500/day/person i would guesstimate 3 guys for 3 weeks full time should cover it. Not exactly a weekend job
debruis Posted August 21, 2010 Author Posted August 21, 2010 Plus installation costs So about 23k for materials plus installation. And based on 1:1 ratio of cost of materials to cost of labour 50k should cover it. $500/day/person i would guesstimate 3 guys for 3 weeks full time should cover it. Not exactly a weekend job Yes about right $50K although there might be some change. Depend on how many time people change there mind on the positions of lighting,GPO etc during an installation. Also if the project needs metering and mains cabling that will cost $6000-$8000 depending if you require single phase or three phase.
sold Posted August 24, 2010 Posted August 24, 2010 Cat5e for CBUS $1 per metre 120-150mts Is this any different to standard Cat5e (other than the colour)? Or do they just up the price because they can?
debruis Posted August 24, 2010 Author Posted August 24, 2010 Is this any different to standard Cat5e (other than the colour)? Or do they just up the price because they can? Because they can.
debruis Posted September 10, 2010 Author Posted September 10, 2010 Hi Everyone, Here are some updated pictures of the project. The AV and data cable looms for the upstairs bedroom's AV & Data cabling. The CBUS, AV cabling and power cabling for the upstairs ensuite The level 2 riser cabling power and AV/data. The TV antenna The main switch room. The four enclosures will house the 28 channels of dimmer and 24 channel of relays The data cabinet will have the cabling from the floor outlets data terminated to the corresponding patch panel for data,telephone,pay TV and FTA TV. The data cabinet will also house the Cable Modem,Router & 1000baseT switch Hello Everyone, Here are some new photos of the project. They are the level one cabling looms,level one riser and the beginning of the CBUS switchboard cabling installation. Because of minimal ceiling space you will notice in some photos that some ceiling runners have been used to stop the 240V cabling and the AV/data cabling from touching The two rows of CBUS equipment are relays. There are 12 channels rated at 10amps per channel on each relay. They will controlling fluorescent light loads and mechanical services such as floor heating and bathroom/ensuite extraction fans.
Serentity Posted September 12, 2010 Posted September 12, 2010 Hello Everyone,Here are some new photos of the project. They are the level one cabling looms,level one riser and the beginning of the CBUS switchboard cabling installation. Because of minimal ceiling space you will notice in some photos that some ceiling runners have been used to stop the 240V cabling and the AV/data cabling from touching The two rows of CBUS equipment are relays. There are 12 channels rated at 10amps per channel on each relay. They will controlling fluorescent light loads and mechanical services such as floor heating and bathroom/ensuite extraction fans. Very Nice Debruis, I wonder which ball my missus would take if I said to her can we get something like this down the track!
brodricj Posted September 12, 2010 Posted September 12, 2010 Because they can. Just to elaborate. The pink cat5 used for CBUS is rated for use inside a mains rated enclosure. Blue cat5 cable isn't. CBUS will work with the blue cat5, but you can't connect it to the CBUS output units such as dimmers and relays inside the DIN rail enclosure because of the requirement for separation from the 240V stuff.
debruis Posted October 1, 2010 Author Posted October 1, 2010 Hi Everyone, Here are some updated pictures of the project. The AV and data cable looms for the upstairs bedroom's AV & Data cabling. The CBUS, AV cabling and power cabling for the upstairs ensuite The level 2 riser cabling power and AV/data. The TV antenna The main switch room. The four enclosures will house the 28 channels of dimmer and 24 channel of relays The data cabinet will have the cabling from the floor outlets data terminated to the corresponding patch panel for data,telephone,pay TV and FTA TV. The data cabinet will also house the Cable Modem,Router & 1000baseT switch Hi Everyone, Here is some updated photos of the project. They are the RCA audio input/data wall plate,CBUS multi-sensor and the main switchroom. There is an RCA audio input/data wall plate in each bedroom. The wallplate is for connecting mp3/ipods etc. The audio wall plate will be connected to an amplifier located in the AV cupboard. There will be a pair of Krix Holographix speakers in each bedroom. A CBUS multi-sensor is installed in each bedroom and the entertainment area. These will be IR receivers for light switching and local area volume control. A credit card sized CBUS IR remote will be provided for each bedroom. The CBUS muliti- sensor will also function as a light level sensor and control dimming and switching of lights and louvres The CBUS switchboards now house the 6 dimmers and 2 relays for the first stage of the project. The Data/TV cabinet has been terminated. Now I am waiting on CBUS switchplates and light fittings that should be arriving in 10 days hopefully.
Ethan Posted October 1, 2010 Posted October 1, 2010 Wow. That is getting serious! That multi-sensor is awesome, never heard of something so versatile before. Any details/progress on the video distribution side of things yet?
debruis Posted October 1, 2010 Author Posted October 1, 2010 (edited) Wow. That is getting serious! That multi-sensor is awesome, never heard of something so versatile before.Any details/progress on the video distribution side of things yet? Only one catch with multi-sensor and volume control is that you require a CBUS enabled amplifier. Haven't got to video distribution termination yet. Although I will be using Cypress express HDMI 4X4 matrix and HDMI Cat6 Baluns. Edited October 1, 2010 by debruis
debruis Posted October 4, 2010 Author Posted October 4, 2010 (edited) Hi Everyone, Here is some updated photos of the project. They are the RCA audio input/data wall plate,CBUS multi-sensor and the main switchroom. There is an RCA audio input/data wall plate in each bedroom. The wallplate is for connecting mp3/ipods etc. The audio wall plate will be connected to an amplifier located in the AV cupboard. There will be a pair of Krix Holographix speakers in each bedroom. A CBUS multi-sensor is installed in each bedroom and the entertainment area. These will be IR receivers for light switching and local area volume control. A credit card sized CBUS IR remote will be provided for each bedroom. The CBUS muliti- sensor will also function as a light level sensor and control dimming and switching of lights and louvres The CBUS switchboards now house the 6 dimmers and 2 relays for the first stage of the project. The Data/TV cabinet has been terminated. Now I am waiting on CBUS switchplates and light fittings that should be arriving in 10 days hopefully. Hi Everyone, This weekend we were able to turn the power on to part of the house. The photos are of the Main switch board minus the pole fillers,CBUS switchboards & Dynamic labelling switch plate located in the main bedroom. There are 6 power circuits and 5 light circuits in the MSB. Each has its own RCD/safety switch. The TV antenna and distribution system was also commissioned and tested this weekend. Edited October 4, 2010 by debruis
Battler009 Posted October 6, 2010 Posted October 6, 2010 www.brightgreen.net.au The lights look interesting, I just rang up a local stockist and found they are north of $100 each did you manage to get a better deal on these?
debruis Posted October 8, 2010 Author Posted October 8, 2010 The lights look interesting, I just rang up a local stockist and found they are north of $100 each did you manage to get a better deal on these? Best deal I could get was $113 per fitting normally $120. My mate at the wholesalers believes the price will drop in 6-12months. New technology and we pay a premium for it. If you do not require dimming Osram have an LED downlight that is just under $100. I will post some photo of the two different fitting next week. I was also install a standard dichroic downlight so you can compare the light output and colour.
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