Save The Net!

[azure1503559508]

Save The Net

The Federal Government is planning to force all Australian servers to filter internet traffic and block any material the Government deems ‘inappropriate’. Under the plan, the Government can add any ‘unwanted’ site to a secret blacklist.

Testing has already begun on systems that will slow our internet by up to 87%, make it more expensive, miss the vast majority of inappropriate content and accidentally block up to 1 in 12 legitimate sites. Our children deserve better protection - and that won't be achieved by wasting millions on this deeply flawed system.

Sign the petition;

http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet/442

[50mxe20]

So signed.

[swordfish805]

Signed. Another great job by GetUp!

[SDL]

There is a bigger issue than this that is effecting us all after Telstra's submission to the RFP for a NBN. Telstra's flimsy response, their manipulation of figures, the conditions they are suggesting they require in order to build, and the second class network they have proposed, is an absolute outrage. The Government really needs to stand firm on this and pull Telstra into line, not allow itself to be manipulated by a company that wants to maintain its monopoly while providing a second rate network till 2020 and not give national coverage.

Anyway after getting that off my ches....signed.

[ajm1503559545]

There is a bigger issue than this that is effecting us all after Telstra's submission to the RFP for a NBN. Telstra's flimsy response, their manipulation of figures, the conditions they are suggesting they require in order to build, and the second class network they have proposed, is an absolute outrage. The Government really needs to stand firm on this and pull Telstra into line, not allow itself to be manipulated by a company that wants to maintain its monopoly while providing a second rate network till 2020 and not give national coverage.

Anyway after getting that off my ches....signed.

Agreed 100% Telstra will "win" a bid for a service they have no intention of providing on terms that guarantee they will profit enormously regardless.

People are complaining about about piddling amounts of money being paid to (arguably) support people in need and yet the terms of this NBN don't rate a whimper. Some people need to sort their priorities I think

.... and with that off my chest ... signed.

[aztec]

There is a bigger issue than this that is effecting us all after Telstra's submission to the RFP for a NBN. Telstra's flimsy response, their manipulation of figures, the conditions they are suggesting they require in order to build, and the second class network they have proposed, is an absolute outrage. The Government really needs to stand firm on this and pull Telstra into line, not allow itself to be manipulated by a company that wants to maintain its monopoly while providing a second rate network till 2020 and not give national coverage.

Anyway after getting that off my ches....signed.

Throw their proposal in the bin and choose one of the others.

[mcduck]

signed and emailed to others

like i need to be locked out of more stuff

[SDL]

Throw their proposal in the bin and choose one of the others.

I can copy it if anyone wants to see it

[stahc]

a bit sweaty from working in my yard

shirt was sticking to me...............glad i got that off my chest

anyway so much for my silly bit of frivolity

signed

Edited November 27, 2008 by chatswood63

[The D-Train]

Im signing up....nobody's gonna deprive me of what the internet was intended for.........porn.

[Dork(original)]

There is a bigger issue than this that is effecting us all after Telstra's submission to the RFP for a NBN. Telstra's flimsy response, their manipulation of figures, the conditions they are suggesting they require in order to build, and the second class network they have proposed, is an absolute outrage. The Government really needs to stand firm on this and pull Telstra into line, not allow itself to be manipulated by a company that wants to maintain its monopoly while providing a second rate network till 2020 and not give national coverage.

Anyway after getting that off my ches....signed.

I think Telstra should build the NBN as we have the experienced workforce.

And it would keep me employed.Ok now give it to me me with flame proof suit .

Just hand over the last km of the copper network to people with NFI i don't think so.

And i signed ages ago,no filter for us.

Paul.

Edited November 27, 2008 by Jeff Vader

[mcduck]

a bit sweaty from working in my yard

shirt was sticking to me...............glad i got that off my chest

anyway so much for my silly bit of frivolity

signed

wet t-shirt competition?

[mcduck]

Im signing up....nobody's gonna deprive me of what the internet was intended for.........porn.

see above

chats is taking care of it

[SDL]

I think Telstra should build the NBN as we have the experienced workforce.

And it would keep me employed.Ok now give it to me me with flame proof suit .

Just hand over the last km of the copper network to people with NFI i don't think so.

And i signed ages ago,no filter for us.

Paul.

Jeff who are you suggesting has NFI? I would argue that Telstra employees mostly have NFI and are being sold rubbish by their own management. Have you seen their proposal at all? 1Mb for $29.95 - already available for less. Besides how do you know all proposlas are about the last km being copper. In fact I can tell you not one has the last km as copper. The kerb units even that Telstra propose only ahve a functional distance of 900m at best and so every street will have one. The proposal Telstra are looking at, and why they include the issue of having the acquisition rights beefed up, is an incredibly large noisy unit that will need to sit outside peoples homes.

The RFP was for FTTX - let me tell you the FTTN is not the only option, and unlike Telstra others have complied with the RFP and hopefully will sue if the Government doesn't bin the Telstra response.

Sorry if that does cost you a job with Telstra, but hey if the thing goes ahead, and it looks less and less likely to go ahead in the next year given Telstra's response, we will all have long term jobs whoever gets it.

And sorry for taking this therad OT and maybe should have started a seperate thread, but this is another damn important issue that won't only effect our internet use going forward, but all our media and communications services and Telstra are trying to manipulate it to their advantage and then do as little as possible.

Edited November 27, 2008 by SDL

[The D-Train]

see above

chats is taking care of it

If chats in a wet t-shirt is what im going to get then Im removing my signature.

now wheres jesse jane gone.

[stahc]

If chats in a wet t-shirt is what im going to get then Im removing my signature.

now wheres jesse jane gone.

harsh my friend......................harsh......................i'm almost attractive....................it just depends on the lighting

[DrP]

And sorry for taking this therad OT and maybe should have started a seperate thread, but this is another damn important issue that won't only effect our internet use going forward, but all our media and communications services and Telstra are trying to manipulate it to their advantage and then do as little as possible.

All these issues and more were thrashed out in a thread quite some time ago. Telstra building the network may be a necessary evil. Telstra owning and operating the network is unacceptable. Telstra says many things about what will and won't happen to access pricing but, if you want to see the reality of what would happen if Telstra was given the keys to the kingdom simply look no further than Telstra's so called 'Smart Estates' wherein the residents get well and truly bent over and done up the arse by Telstra when it comes to pricing.

One thing that many do not realise is Telstra's 'NBN' plan also involves ripping out its existing legacy voice network and moving to a network along the lines of Optus'. That's right. Telstra will effectively be getting us, the public, to fund the upgrade of its voice network. Nice. Become a privatised company and then get someone else to pay for your network upgrades. The third party proposals do not include upgrading Telstra's voice network. Telstra's exchanges remain connected to the copper for voice services with the xDSL being injected onto the customers pair 'at the pillar'.

This is a major contributor to why Telstra's proposals are significantly more costly than the 3rd party's.

Edited November 27, 2008 by DrP

[The D-Train]

harsh my friend......................harsh......................i'm almost attractive....................it just depends on the lighting

I reckon theres a movie with just the right amount of lighting for that..........Clicky

[Meinoz]

wet t-shirt competition?

Just my opinion but

There's a huge difference between a

Wet T Shirt Comp

& a

Sweat T Shirt Comp.

Personally, any with Chats involved should be avoided.

Unless it's an eclipse and I'm on the otherside of the world.......

[mcduck]

Just my opinion but

There's a huge difference between a

Wet T Shirt Comp

& a

Sweat T Shirt Comp.

Personally, any with Chats involved should be avoided.

Unless it's an eclipse and I'm on the otherside of the world.......

come on guys

you chicken or something?

show yourselves

dare you

and what's wrong with getting hot and sweaty?

edit, sensorship thread

Edited November 28, 2008 by mcduck

[azure1503559508]

IMHO both sides of politics made a dogs breaskfast of Telstra.

At the very beginning, both the network infrastructure and retail should have been separated.

After which the retail side should have been sold off.

The "network infrastructure" arm should have stayed as a statutory body.

All funds raised by the subscribers (ie retailers) would go into maintaining and improving the network.

Not skimmed off and going into the government coffers such as under Ziggy Switkowski.

(rather than capital expenditure, Switkowski pumped dividends).

Considering the geography of this continent, it 's ridiculous to duplicate infrastructure.

Now we must spend billions of public monies so the "network" approaches "first world" standards."

And at the same time, after spending all of that money, we have some loonie under the influence of the "christian right," wanting to "sanitize" the web.

Conray should be promoting "PC based" filtering systems and greater parental vigilance.

Edited November 28, 2008 by azure

[SDL]

IMHO both sides of politics made a dogs breaskfast of Telstra.

At the very beginning, both the network infrastructure and retail should have been separated.

After which the retail side should have been sold off.

The "network infrastructure" arm should have stayed as a statutory body.

All funds raised by the subscribers (ie retailers) would go into maintaining and improving the network.

Not skimmed off and going into the government coffers such as under Ziggy Switkowski.

(rather than capital expenditure, Switkowski pumped dividends).

Considering the geography of this continent, it 's ridiculous to duplicate infrastructure.

Now we must spend billions of public monies so the "network" approaches "first world" standards."

And at the same time, after spending all of that money, we have some loonie under the influence of the "christian right," wanting to "sanitize" the web.

Conray should be promoting "PC based" filtering systems and greater parental vigilance.

My sentiments exactly - though got to be careful how much I say, the walls have ears you know, and the internet connection has IT checking it

[stahc]

Just my opinion but

There's a huge difference between a

Wet T Shirt Comp

& a

Sweat T Shirt Comp.

Personally, any with Chats involved should be avoided.

Unless it's an eclipse and I'm on the otherside of the world.......

you been talking to my parramatta loving bride have you

[swordfish805]

IMHO both sides of politics made a dogs breaskfast of Telstra.

Don't think anyone will argue with that.

At the very beginning, both the network infrastructure and retail should have been separated.

After which the retail side should have been sold off.

The "network infrastructure" arm should have stayed as a statutory body.

Exceptionally bad idea. Leave the taxpayer with all the risk of funding future capex and entrench a monopoly (a monopoly owned by the government is still a monopoly).

This model has not worked anywhere.

Better option would have been for Aussat to be merged into Telecom, instead of OTC and OTC to have become the basis for Optus instead of the loss making Aussat.

Considering the geography of this continent, it 's ridiculous to duplicate infrastructure.

Australia is the most urbanised society in the world. Building a network to cover 94% of the population is cheaper in Australia than anywhere else. It's the remaining 6% that are the problem.

It used to be that if you lived in the bush you did without a few things - but you had some uniquely Australian alternatives (like the flying doctor - not as good as a hospital down the road, but a lot better than nothing.

Now the National party have conned everyone into the view that the bush should have "equal access".

[Aloysius]

Don't think anyone will argue with that.

Exceptionally bad idea. Leave the taxpayer with all the risk of funding future capex and entrench a monopoly (a monopoly owned by the government is still a monopoly).

This model has not worked anywhere.

Better option would have been for Aussat to be merged into Telecom, instead of OTC and OTC to have become the basis for Optus instead of the loss making Aussat.

Australia is the most urbanised society in the world. Building a network to cover 94% of the population is cheaper in Australia than anywhere else. It's the remaining 6% that are the problem.

It used to be that if you lived in the bush you did without a few things - but you had some uniquely Australian alternatives (like the flying doctor - not as good as a hospital down the road, but a lot better than nothing.

Now the National party have conned everyone into the view that the bush should have "equal access".

Aw cummon Swordie - Us bushies pay tax too - or maybe that's the idea - stop taxing bushies - and don't give them flash connectivity there's an idea!