RyanP1503560385 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) Gday All, In LCD screens, the latest Samsung LCDs have great specs, are reasonably priced, but have a super high gloss screen. This seems to be quite susceptable to reflections in brightly lit rooms. My idea is that Samsung ( and other TV maufacturers ) provide the option of a removable front screen so that customers can decide between say a glossy finish, a semi glossy or a matt finish. I know that the glossy screen have a great contrast etc, but in brightly lit rooms, ie rooms during the day with sunlight, they are very reflective. The Sony LCD panels have offered user changable bezels, so this is just one step further. If Samsung offered a user swappable finish ( even if this meant varying contrasts depending on the finish chosen ) they would have ahigher chance of gaining traction over the LCD offerings from competitors who offer matt screens. Any thoughts ? Edited October 27, 2008 by RyanP
LastMile Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Don't know if it would be technically possible, but it would be great to have a removable overlay that is glossy one side, matt the other and the ability to flip between the two as you please.
kulfi Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Good idea but technically, it's next to impossible. Changing the bezel is one thing, this amounts to changing the display panel itself.
tonymy01 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 The whole reason they go glossy is to stop light diffusion from a matt surface which is why I can't stand matt LCD panels... they look terrible and cheap.
RyanP1503560385 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 Gday All, Anyone know a good way to simulate a glossy screen then ( that actually represents the propoerties of a Screen ) so that people can check to see if the finish suits their situation ? Maybe even "Rent a TV model for a week" to try before you buy ? Just an idea. PS I was thinking that it wasn't the actual panel that was replaceable. just the overlay piece of plastic. Regards RyanP
MACCA350 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 My idea is that Samsung ( and other TV maufacturers ) provide the option of a removable front screen so that customers can decide between say a glossy finish, a semi glossy or a matt finish.Or just buy the Panasonic.cheers
tonymy01 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Glass screens on plasma & CRT are glossy, no-one complains about those? Look at a matt screen laptop vs a gloss screen laptop. Blacks & pixel clarity is much better with gloss screen than matt. They won't be able to make the huge claims about contrast ratio etc with a matt screen. Regards
MACCA350 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Glass screens on plasma & CRT are glossy, no-one complains about those? I did, the refelctions on my old crt used to sh!t me no end.......that's why I went with the Panasonic over the Samsung. Reflective screens can also affect perceived contrast as the reflection can be way above the screens black level. cheers
shano23 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) I really don't understand why people keep complaining about this. Unless you have your tv pointing directly to a window with the midday sun glaring directly on your screen then it's not an issue. The glossy screen on today's LCD's are no where near as reflective as plasmas and CRT's. Edited October 27, 2008 by shano23
dmat2391 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 to shano23 I've had a top line crt and a glossy flat paneland if I didn't have full bock out shutters on my widnows it would be a real pain in the butt durring the day . I prefer glossy but if you a a northern aspect to your theartre room the natural light can be major. There is no way a LCD/plazma will have the contrast ratio to deal with this especially if it has a glossy screen. I have to say though I'm for glossy all the way because at night when I mostly whatch glossy sh!tes all over matt. Cheers DM
RyanP1503560385 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Posted October 27, 2008 I really don't understand why people keep complaining about this. Unless you have your tv pointing directly to a window with the midday sun glaring directly on your screen then it's not an issue. The glossy screen on today's LCD's are no where near as reflective as plasmas and CRT's. Gday Shano23, Bingo, that is exactly my configuration Maybe I am the only one with a loungeroom like that... Last weekend I removed a window and held it where the TV would go ( easy to do ) and the reflections were 95% mirror like, I know that the glass window would reflect more than say a Plasma screen or a Glossy LCD screen, but it was pretty bad. In a scene where there was some contrast say a bright area and then a dark area, the reflections in the bright area were there but in the dark areas I was looking out the window behind me to the letterbox ! The way my loungeroom is, is with a window behind the couch that looks due East, very bad until about 2-3pm. I wish that my config was different, but that's the way that it is. I think that I will wait for the new Sony W4500, but only because it has a matt screen, I would prefer a Samsung A650 or better though.
AlexF Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) Firstly, there's no increase in measured contrast due to glossy screen, so, these are only perceived as being better. Secondly, people had been looking at defused (and reflected) light in cinema screens for last 70 years. LCD has no problem with making the picture bright but a lot of problems making the picture black, so, I suspect the main reason why manufacturers prefer glossy screens is to close up the human iris, curtesy of free reflected environmental light, and make the picture appear darker. After a while, squirming will tire the viewer out, however, by that time, the LCD's already paid for. Edited October 27, 2008 by Alex
Rajat Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) Im in exactly the same position as the previous poster, my 750 will go directly opposite two large sliding glass doors in the family room. Granted, the glare will not be as much an issue with a matte screen, but, it will still be somewhat there. Instead of being able to see a perfect reflection in the dark scenes, a general haze will cover everything instead, which will be uniform all across the screen as opposed to a reflection which is why its not as distracting, but its still there, just a small amount less. Personally, Im upgrading from a CRT, so the way I think of it is, its better than that atleast. Also, just get curtains, or blinds put in. Even if not hardcore ones drilled into the walls, those spring loaded ones. Thatll take care of alot of the glare, thats what I will be doing. Adrressing the source of the glare itself is a much better option than to get a different tv than the one you actually want, just because of ambient light IMO. Edited October 27, 2008 by Rajat
mwd Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Glossy Shiny screens on laptops look impressive in the shops but are absolute crap to use in real life applications. Same for TVs if you can elliminate all the distracting reflections then good on you. I can't stand them. Good quality displays don't need high gloss surfaces to attract buyers.
tonymy01 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 Everytime I see my workmates gloss screen laptop, I drool at how clear everything looks. The matt screen really sux (well, in the HP 6220 I have, and this 17" Benq I found on the side of the road with one busted transistor only needed to fix I have here). They just look poorer from straight on (not quite the clarity I see with gloss screens) and miles worse at an angle (unless the angle you are trying to look at the screen has a whopping great reflection of light on it for the gloss screen of course). The only issue with the gloss (laptop) screen is it is easy to spot fingerprints on, but they are a heck of a lot easier to clean off than on matt screens. Get some good curtains and reflections from a window become a thing of the past. Aldi is selling some this week that are great (they had them a couple of months ago, they work well for my bedroom anyway, block 100% light). Anyway, it is up to you, if you have a hatred of gloss screens you are in your rights to have that opinion, it is just mine is the opposite, I have a hatred of matt screens :-) Yes, the cinema has it blah blah, but watching on a 40" screen isn't quite the same experience, last time I went to the cinema I was wandering why people were bagging LCD apparent "frame jerkiness" out, when it is very obvious at the cinema also :-). And I kept trying to pause and rewind scenes I wanted to see again hehe. Regards
Guest gman1503560789 Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 (edited) Get some good curtains and reflections from a window become a thing of the past. Aldi is selling some this week that are great (they had them a couple of months ago, they work well for my bedroom anyway, block 100% light). I've found Spotlight are the cheapest for decent thermal lined and sunblock curtains. I've fitted out two theatre rooms (with large windowed areas) in the last couple of years. It's amazing how often they can offer big discounts, there must be a lot of margain in curtains. Edited October 27, 2008 by gman1503560789
kulfi Posted October 27, 2008 Posted October 27, 2008 I've found Spotlight are the cheapest for decent thermal lined and sunblock curtains. I've fitted out two theatre rooms (with large windowed areas) in the last couple of years. It's amazing how often they can offer big discounts, there must be a lot of margain in curtains. That's a far wiser decision than to think about replacing the TV's panel. I also have to agree with tonymy01. A glossy screen looks better than the matt one and it's not just about the difference in contrast ratio.
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