Free Ffr (full Frequency Range) Cables - Adelaide Area

[orrelljet]

Anyone who is a fan of TNT Audio ( http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/triple_t_e.html ) should know about these cables.

Made using 6 x 1m CAT5 cable per meter, they are one of the best homemade speaker cables around.

I have the following available FREE, to anyone who lives in the Adelaide area of SA (Pick Up Only).

Pair 2 x 4m FFR cables (48m of CAT5 in total!) - pretty much finished - light blue

1 x 1.5/2m - Black - need to be finished/stripped

1 x 1.5/2m - Red - loosely finished

The cable can either be used for single of bi-wiring.

Yours for NADA!!

Great speaker cables that no longer fit with my minimalist approach to Home AV.

J.

[-geejay-]

...Yours for NADA!!

Which is pretty much what they're worth

[Hallzy]

Which is pretty much what they're worth

Thats a bit harsh, If it was me giving something away i'd like only constructive comments. How would you feel if someone wrote this about something you were giving away?

[orrelljet]

Which is pretty much what they're worth

So, can I take it you won't be driving to SA to pick them up?

[-geejay-]

Thats a bit harsh, If it was me giving something away i'd like only constructive comments. How would you feel if someone wrote this about something you were giving away?

Sorry if I seem less than enthusiastic for these cables. Perhaps a little more explanation is in order.

The term FFR (full frequency range) being used here for cables is based on the faulty belief that somehow cat5 computer networking cables can provide a superior result for speaker connections.

They can’t and don’t.

In fact, the only reason they can work nearly as good as some other cables, is because of the adding of multiple lengths of cable in parallel, thereby adding to the total amount of copper in the electrical path -which can be achieved by other means more effectively.

This whole concept of gaining an advantage by using twisted cabling for speaker connections dates back to a bygone era when the first solid-state amplifiers started to appear on the scene. These early design amplifiers inherently suffered from excessive distortion characteristics which could only be overcome by the use of massive amounts of negative feedback as part of their design.

It was subsequently found that the over-reliance on the use of large amounts of negative feedback as part of an amplifier’s design had numerous disadvantages including making amplifiers more susceptible to the effects of interference picked up by the attached speaker cables –interference which could be coming from quite a variety of sources including any nearby radio transmitters etc. Whatever the source though, it could certainly have nasty effects on an amplifiers ability to reproduce sound clearly.

And since it was well known that putting twists in cables can make them less susceptible to interference pickup, a new industry sprang up making twisted cables for speaker connections. This is how the KimberCable business came into being (amongst others).

But nowadays, it’s well recognized by amplifier designers that for various reasons, too much negative feedback is not a good thing; and its use has been be restricted to lesser amounts where these unsatisfactory side-effects simply don’t occur –thereby making the use of twisted speaker cable totally unnecessary.

But there have been long-lasting echoes of this issue -where some people even today have this belief that negative feedback is the invention of the devil and should be avoided at all costs. (While in fact all amplifiers still rely on using it –but in moderation, where worthwhile performance gains are achieved without the nasty side-effects).

And the urban myth still prevails with the belief that speaker cables will somehow perform better if they are twisted -even though the need for twist is long gone. That’s why, it seems, that there are dinosaur organisations still promulgating the idea of making your own speaker cables based on twisted wire which will somehow make them ‘better’, and that using computer cable will make them better still.

Pure snakeoil for anyone silly enough to swallow it !!

[orrelljet]

As previously stated: Anyone in SA (or elsewhere), who isn't a complete tosser, who would like the cables, for FREE, please let me know.

Although I don't discourage the airing of views on whether the cables or good or not, sitting at a computer and retyping something that has most likely been written elsewhere will just be wasting your time, not mine.

So, just to be clear: FREE cables to non-tossers.

J.

Edited October 26, 2008 by orrelljet

[-geejay-]

...Although I don't discourage the airing of views on whether the cables or good or not, sitting at a computer and retyping something that has most likely been written elsewhere will just be wasting your time...

Heck, I think I might have to accept that as a compliment! -If you think that my earlier post was derived from material sourced from overseas or from the internet generally.

I wonder if it was the depth of knowledge, or the use of English & grammar etc that lead you to believe that this must have been sourced elsewhere. But there must have been a bit of aussie-cringe present if you think that such observations & experience could not have been gained or expressed locally, and by someone posting on this forum.

But no, those words were totally my own work, and based on my own personal experience gained from an engineering design perspective over quite a few years. But if you think that the explanation is that good -then perhaps I should slap a copyright on it!

~~~

Now there would be no doubt that the cabling you offer will be up to the task for many people’s purposes, and I’m sure that many struggling to get a system together would appreciate that amount of copper provided for free and almost completed in assembly as cables.

But there needed to be a comment expressed that would separate fact from fiction in respect to the still-prevailing belief in some quarters that copper wire borrowed from network cabling can somehow have magical powers attributed to it.

My sincere apologies if you experienced annoyance from the way I went about expressing this. And I hope that someone does indeed take you up on your kind offer as it would be a shame to see all that copper wire wasted!

All the best in your endeavors,

Cheers

geejay

[orrelljet]

... or the use of English & grammar etc ...

Not a chance mate; your punctuation is utterly hopeless.

[-geejay-]

Not a chance mate; your punctuation is utterly hopeless.

Heh heh, left myself open for that one didn't I

Cheers mate

[orrelljet]

Jolly good.

We'll call a truce ;-)

Free cables anyone? They'll just be going in the bin otherwise...

[betty boop]

Which is pretty much what they're worth

jees ! give it a rest. people cant even give things way on here without someone jumoping in with their 2c ! .

if your not interested leave it to someone else who might be !

[bobbyf]

To the OP: good on you mate. Thanks for trying to help others

To Geejay: Just think about your post before you post

I watched Evan Almighty with the kids this morning, which talks about random acts of kindness changing the world, and i'm no god botherer, but this, to me was one of those, and all too often on this forum, they get flamed for it.

Bob

[bobbyf]

To the OP: good on you mate. Thanks for trying to help others

To Geejay: Just think about your post before you post

I watched Evan Almighty with the kids this morning, which talks about random acts of kindness changing the world, and i'm no god botherer, but this, to me was one of those, and all too often on this forum, they get flamed for it.

Bob

[-geejay-]

...To Geejay: Just think about your post before you post...

Yes, I agree.

Looking back, my first post wasn't wise, and I consider myself reprimanded.

Had just thought I would dash off a post before going to bed and perhaps a little tired, I didn’t think it through fully.

Won’t do that again.

[Guest]

Yes, I agree.

Looking back, my first post wasn't wise, and I consider myself reprimanded.

Had just thought I would dash off a post before going to bed and perhaps a little tired, I didn’t think it through fully.

Won’t do that again.

I rekon that deserves a "Good on Ya Mate!" too! .... don't see contrition(?) too often in online forums (ever).

[joz]

Back to the OP.

Good on you for offering up something for free which costed money and time.

Not sure which cat5 recipe you used but I have heard a few that do quite a good job.

Also for anyone else which could bother going through the motions it may be a legitimate project to pursue as a DIY project of sorts.Me I'm too lazy..

[orrelljet]

Back to the OP.

Good on you for offering up something for free which costed money and time.

Not sure which cat5 recipe you used but I have heard a few that do quite a good job.

Also for anyone else which could bother going through the motions it may be a legitimate project to pursue as a DIY project of sorts.Me I'm too lazy..

Thanks Joz and others - they do take bloody ages to make!

A fellow DTV forum member (yamapro) will be taking these off my hands very shortly ;-)

Cheers.

J.

[troyww1503560303]

Pure snakeoil for anyone silly enough to swallow it !!

Snakeoil costs money .....

$100 optical cables and $150 1.5M HDMI cables are snake oil .

Use the force for good , Go into your local hifi store and give them a blast

Edited October 27, 2008 by troyww

[replicant]

Heck, I think I might have to accept that as a compliment! -If you think that my earlier post was derived from material sourced from overseas or from the internet generally.

I wonder if it was the depth of knowledge, or the use of English & grammar etc that lead you to believe that this must have been sourced elsewhere. But there must have been a bit of aussie-cringe present if you think that such observations & experience could not have been gained or expressed locally, and by someone posting on this forum.

But no, those words were totally my own work, and based on my own personal experience gained from an engineering design perspective over quite a few years. But if you think that the explanation is that good -then perhaps I should slap a copyright on it!

~~~

Now there would be no doubt that the cabling you offer will be up to the task for many people’s purposes, and I’m sure that many struggling to get a system together would appreciate that amount of copper provided for free and almost completed in assembly as cables.

But there needed to be a comment expressed that would separate fact from fiction in respect to the still-prevailing belief in some quarters that copper wire borrowed from network cabling can somehow have magical powers attributed to it.

My sincere apologies if you experienced annoyance from the way I went about expressing this. And I hope that someone does indeed take you up on your kind offer as it would be a shame to see all that copper wire wasted!

All the best in your endeavors,

Cheers

geejay

Hey,

I'm a newbie who 'stumbled' on this entry Googling HDMI cables.

Personally, I enjoyed geejay's discussion on twisted cables and the e/devolution of negative feedback, and the erudition that it revealed (obviously more that other members) - enough to join the forum anyway.

I also appreciated the subsequent good grace and gentility.

I'd be interested in your opinion on the merits of cheaper but apparently well-specced HDMI cables, given that there is a flood of 'snake oil' around them - or is that addressed in another forum topic?

Hopefully I have entered this reply correctly.

Thanks in advance,

[SDL]

geejay's comments are worth reading, however as geejay has suggested himself now, not well timed. The OP was offering something for free that took time and money to make and that is what people took issue with, not the 'facts' geejay presented. Plenty of debates on cables on this forum if you do a search, and plenty of differing opinions worth reading.

And welcome aboard. You will find some pretty heated discussions at times, but that is because some people are passionate (some are just tossers but that is another story ), but all in all you will probably find plenty to discuss and we all learn things from each other all the time.