1080p?

kingbaz1503560777 · September 25, 2008

I looking to purchase a projector and for longevity reasons wanting to go down the 1080P road.

The only issue is I curerenly own the Denon 3803 and it may be some time before I can upgrade. I also have the Tosh XE-1 for movies.

Most watching will be TV (footy) and then movies both SD & HD DVD.

Obviously I'm stuck with connectiing via component. So my question is, what picture loss will I see running a new 1080P pro with this setup. Am i better off with a 720P pro at this point or will the picture still look great and blow me away?

Sorry if this has been rasied before?

bbar · September 25, 2008

I looking to purchase a projector and for longevity reasons wanting to go down the 1080P road.
The only issue is I curerenly own the Denon 3803 and it may be some time before I can upgrade. I also have the Tosh XE-1 for movies.

Most watching will be TV (footy) and then movies both SD & HD DVD.

Obviously I'm stuck with connectiing via component. So my question is, what picture loss will I see running a new 1080P pro with this setup. Am i better off with a 720P pro at this point or will the picture still look great and blow me away?

Sorry if this has been rasied before?

Not a problem as your HD STB will output 1080i as will your XE-1 HD DVD. The projector should be able to de-interlace a film based HD DVD (i.e. put the 1080i signal back to 1080p as it is on the HD DVD) and display it as though it was sent via the player at 1080p. TV is 1080i and it will also de-interlace it and display as 1080p/50. So you would lose nothing really.

Issue would be on the audio side as you would not get trueHD or DTS-HD MA on the audio side if you are using player decoding over SPIDF. You would get TrueHD if you connected the analogues and used them; but not DTS HD-MA.

So overall you would do well with 1080p projector over component.

Regards,

Bryan

quijibo · September 25, 2008

You will be able to hook up video connections directly into the projector.

Most projectors will at least come with VGA and HDMI connections that support 1080p.

My AVR only supports component video switching too, but I don't use it. I run VGA, HDMI and component cables directly from the source to the projector.

alanh · September 25, 2008

kingbaz,

If you want the best pictures you need the following;

Projector: 1920 x 1080p which is also called full HD.

For the best reproduction of movies you need the projector to be able to 24p.

A reminder that Hd DVD is now dead. Blu-ray has won, so you will eventually need to get a Blu-ray player and the will run at 24p

Feed the projector with HDMI and you may need to get a repeater if the cable is long.

AlanH

The_Preacher1973 · September 25, 2008

Obviously I'm stuck with connectiing via component.

Err, why? Just run the video via HDMI directly to the projector. You're video will not be compromised at all.

Jeffie1503561482 · September 25, 2008

before i got my avr, i had all of my hdmi sources going into a switch box, with the video output to the projector, and the audio output of the switch (it switched HDMI and coax/optical digital audio) to my stereo.

Tweet · September 25, 2008

Kingbaz,

I thought I'd throw in my viewpoint as I have a Denon 3803 and an XE1 as well and use it with a Sanyo Z4 projector, a 720p display at that.

1080p may seem wonderful but for the sake of legacy formats such as DVD and SD TV.

SD TV and DVD is better viewed on the smaller screen sizes if one insists on displaying those formats at 1080p.

Interpolation of a DVD movie ( or SD TV) to 1080p requires that 80% of the image be made up of 'junk' pixels just to fill out the screen, the remaining 20% being original.

So if you spend most of your time watching SD TV images and or DVD's , a better compromise is a 720p projector OR a 50" 1080p plasma if you are so inclined.

HD DVD and or Blu-ray looks excellent on a 720p projector even though the image is scaled down rather than up,which means the dreaded artifacts of interpolation are minimized.

Besides 720p projectors are relatively cheap by comparison to their 1080p counterparts at least until the price of 1080p falls to acceptable price levels.

I am in much the same boat as yourself, go to a full 1080p projector or decide upon a cheaper alternative in a quality 1080p plasma. A Panasonic TH-50PZ800A at around $2600, or with an extended 5 warranty $3029.

DVD is likely to be around for another 10 years yet and SD TV even more so, therefore my opinion is to stick to the smaller screen sizes in 1080p ...... unless of course one's source of entertainment is largely high definition.

For myself at least, I will buy the 50 "Panasonic plasma, my 12 year old Sony 29" CRT TV has just blown up for the last time the other night and I refuse to fix it again....again .......I think. Nope! I decided to buy the plasma.

C.M

Edited September 25, 2008 by Tweet

kingbaz1503560777 · September 25, 2008

Thnaks for the feedback guys!

So are you all suggesting that the projector should be fed by both my HD STB (Sony SVRHD700) and the XE-1 via HDMI?

I thought the main goal was to have everything go via the 3803 or is this suggested setup only because the Denon has no HDMI?

So based on the above setup, what cables do I need to run up the wall and in the ceiling to the projector?

I just want to ensure that if I do get a 3808 ($2245 quoted for Silver model) I have sufficient cables for the changeover in place.

Thanks for your patience (in advance)!

Jliang70 · September 25, 2008

I looking to purchase a projector and for longevity reasons wanting to go down the 1080P road.
The only issue is I curerenly own the Denon 3803 and it may be some time before I can upgrade. I also have the Tosh XE-1 for movies.

Most watching will be TV (footy) and then movies both SD & HD DVD.

Obviously I'm stuck with connectiing via component. So my question is, what picture loss will I see running a new 1080P pro with this setup. Am i better off with a 720P pro at this point or will the picture still look great and blow me away?

Sorry if this has been rasied before?

What other video sources do you have in your system ? I am assuming that you have a Tosh XE-1 and possibly a Hi-Def stb or pvr and you may have other SD video sources. You don't have to spend a lot to get the best out of your HD-DVD player or Hi-Def STB. Buy a HDMI swith for $120 ( there is one for sale at moment in DTV forum) then some HDMI cable from Foxtail route the video through HDMI switch, route your sound output from HD-DVD and Hi-Def box through AVR using either Optical or coax connection.

kingbaz1503560777 · September 25, 2008

What other video sources do you have in your system ? I am assuming that you have a Tosh XE-1 and possibly a Hi-Def stb or pvr and you may have other SD video sources. You don't have to spend a lot to get the best out of your HD-DVD player or Hi-Def STB. Buy a HDMI swith for $120 ( there is one for sale at moment in DTV forum) then some HDMI cable from Foxtail route the video through HDMI switch, route your sound output from HD-DVD and Hi-Def box through AVR using either Optical or coax connection.

Ok, here is a list of what I currenlt have and wish to use via the projector:

Denon 3803

Denon 2900 DVD

Tosh XE-1

Sony SVRHD700

Nintendo Wii

Denon 1600 DVD (may not use)

Edited September 25, 2008 by kingbaz

Jliang70 · September 25, 2008

Ok, here is a list of what I currenlt have and wish to use via the projector:
Denon 3803

Denon 2900 DVD

Tosh XE-1

Sony SVRHD700

Nintendo Wii

Denon 1600 DVD (may not use)

You are eventually going to use HDMI connections for your HD-DVD and HD STB and possibly BD player/recorder in the future. In your situation I would do what I suggeted earlier with all HD video sources running through HDMI connections and run Wii and Denon 2900 using component cables. Sound for all video sources are route through Denon using Coax or Optical connections.

Jeffie1503561482 · September 25, 2008

here is the switch i used:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/4-Port-HDMI-Switch-...1QQcmdZViewItem

so for HD sources, all of the outputs will use the 1 sound input on your AVR, and HDMI on the projector

for SD sources, you will use component on the projector and switch via the AVR.

bbar · September 25, 2008

Agree with all that HDMI is better.

I was concerned with HDMI to projector for HD STB and XE1 as unsure if projectors come with 2 HDMI inputs. Also concerned with ability to output video over HDMI and digital audio over SPIDF. Not sure if the XE1 and/or HD STB will do both at same time. Also, if you get a Blu ray then you will need 3 HDMI's on projector.

Only other way is if Projector will resend audio from HDMI over SPIDF which I don't think they do.

Best is to get 3808 AVR as you say and go HDMI to AVR and then HDMI to projector. If that is a while away then component may be required if you cannot output over HDMI and SPIDF at the same time.

Regards,

Bryan

Jliang70 · September 25, 2008

Agree with all that HDMI is better.
I was concerned with HDMI to projector for HD STB and XE1 as unsure if projectors come with 2 HDMI inputs. Also concerned with ability to output video over HDMI and digital audio over SPIDF. Not sure if the XE1 and/or HD STB will do both at same time. Also, if you get a Blu ray then you will need 3 HDMI's on projector.

Only other way is if Projector will resend audio from HDMI over SPIDF which I don't think they do.

Best is to get 3808 AVR as you say and go HDMI to AVR and then HDMI to projector. If that is a while away then component may be required if you cannot output over HDMI and SPIDF at the same time.

Regards,

Bryan

HD STB, Hd-DVD player and Bluray player I used all come with the abilty to out video via HDMI and output audio through Coax/Optical connections simultaneously.

kingbaz1503560777 · September 26, 2008

Thanks to all for the responses. A few different options I see

So just to clarify, should I be connecting via Option 1, 2 or 3:

Option 1 -

Everything to Denon 3803 via component

Option 2 -

Projector to 3803 via component

XE-1 to projector via HDMI

HD STB to projector via HDMI

Fox IQ (forgot to mention) to 3803 via component

Wii to Denon via component

Option 3-

HDMI switch - Not sure how this fits in cable wise?

Sorry if it's straight forward to most. Have always thought plug everything into your AVR?

Cheers

Jeffie1503561482 · September 26, 2008

with switch, all hdmi sources output their video via hdmi, and audio via coax or optical into the switch. the video output of the switch goes to the PJ, the audio output goes to the avr (as it switches audio simultaneously). for any non hdmi sources all video and audio go directly to the avr (for these you would choose component input on the pj)

i hope that makes sense

Edited September 26, 2008 by Jeffie

MACCA350 · September 27, 2008

Are you planning to have a second display in the room?

If so your connections just got more complex and you need to work out what you want to be able to view on both displays. With options to bypass the AVR for both audio and video for one display(I do this for everyday Optus cable viewing)

cheers

Jliang70 · September 28, 2008

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