wapping Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Read a review in the newspaper today saying Sevens new tivo could be a treat to the pay tv services. I dont know enough about it but it looks a bit of a dud to me at $700. The review says it records free to air tv well so does my old video recorder. Having no freeview in Australia it seems to not do much. Then they say"It can connect to the internet to record those hundreds of free movies on the net". Can someone give me the URLs of those sites? You can watch one show while taping another two. I can do that with my video and dvd recorder and not spend $700. Am i totally wrong? What do you think?
Julian L Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Given that you can't receive any pay TV channels on the TiVo, I don't know how much of a competitor product the iQ is to the TiVo. Surely people subscribe to Foxtel primarily for the content, not the PVR.
Hosko Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Add to that all the good features of the TIVO won't work when its launched and unlike the iQ2 your going to have to pay an upgrade fee later down the track to get it to work. I think I'll stay to the iQ2.
ozdoc Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 You can watch one show while taping another two.I can do that with my video and dvd recorder and not spend $700. Then stick to your video and dvd recorder. PS: Getting much HD content on those? Can your video recorder record your favourite programs or actor / genre without being individually programmed? etc etc etc. Does your video player have media streaming potential (and please don't everyone post about "it's not yet available", - I know that. In a few months it will all be a mute point.) Perhaps a bit more reading prior to writing it off is in order. Re: comparison with IQ2. It's for FTA. If you can afford foxtel, good luck to you. Not everyone can. Surely it's good to have a FTA alternative with a decent EPG for the masses who can't afford foxtel. Everyone seems intent to run it into the ground before it's even released.
Sidor Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 I dont know enough about it but it looks a bit of a dud to me at $700. $700 is what you just need to pay for TIVO ... For Foxtel IQ2 you will be paying $3200 total on 24 month platinum package contract.
Hosko Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 $700 is what you just need to pay for TIVO ...For Foxtel IQ2 you will be paying $3200 total on 24 month platinum package contract. I don't think $3200 is just for the iQ2, don't you think that includes the cost of the channels. Current Platinum is $105, HD Platinum is $130. So not including the cost of the HD channels its only $600 over the 24 months of a contract, or a total of $800 if you include the upgrade fee. This still doesn't include the cost of the HD channels.
loony Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 As channel 7/tivo admit. The IQ2 and TIVO are not comparable as they both do two different things.
doodlefeatures Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Then stick to your video and dvd recorder. PS: Getting much HD content on those? Can your video recorder record your favourite programs or actor / genre without being individually programmed? etc etc etc. Does your video player have media streaming potential (and please don't everyone post about "it's not yet available", - I know that. In a few months it will all be a mute point.) Perhaps a bit more reading prior to writing it off is in order. Re: comparison with IQ2. It's for FTA. If you can afford foxtel, good luck to you. Not everyone can. Surely it's good to have a FTA alternative with a decent EPG for the masses who can't afford foxtel. Everyone seems intent to run it into the ground before it's even released. How long does it take to skim through the TV guide for the FTA channels to see if there's something you might want to watch? 25 seconds? Sure the TIVO might be able to find all movies with, say, Arnie in them, but are these really going to slip by you if the TIVO didn't find them seeing as there may be one every 2 months on FTA? And if someone can't afford Foxtel, I doubt they'd be willing to spend $700 on a TIVO
laxine Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 $700 for a box that only records FTA, there is nothing decent to record on FTA let alone two things at once. Rip Off!
pgdownload Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 $700 for a box that only records FTA, there is nothing decent to record on FTA let alone two things at once. Rip Off!A fun generalisation but I reality Oz FTA TV has most of the best content available (and for free). There's always going to be people wanting more but personally I can't keep up with all the quality stuff on FTA (leaving aside all the dross like BB etc.)Anyway on the topic, The question isn't Tivo v Foxtel. The question is FTA v Foxtel. Once you've decided that then choosing your recording device follows and Foxtel really only has two options (a DVDR or the IQ). If you go for FTA then it becomes Tivo vs all the other PVRs on the market and at $700 with dedicated 14 day EPG its a definite contender. Regards Peter Gillespie
ozdoc Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 And if someone can't afford Foxtel, I doubt they'd be willing to spend $700 on a TIVO How do you figure that? Seriously, the generalisations this topic has created have been hysterical to read.
MattWinter Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 I'm sure the tivo will be a great product, and if I was in America I'd love to have one - but the average American has over 100 channels to watch and record, which is where the tivo comes into it's own. Honestly - if I couldn't afford foxtel, I could hardly justify buying a decent tv, let alone an expensive PVR.
grb1503561862 Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 A fun generalisation but I reality Oz FTA TV has most of the best content available (and for free). There's always going to be people wanting more but personally I can't keep up with all the quality stuff on FTA (leaving aside all the dross like BB etc.) Oz FTA .. "the best content available" .. umm, right... that's funny.
ozdoc Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 I'm sure the tivo will be a great product, and if I was in America I'd love to have one - but the average American has over 100 channels to watch and record, which is where the tivo comes into it's own.Honestly - if I couldn't afford foxtel, I could hardly justify buying a decent tv, let alone an expensive PVR. As quoted above, $3200 for two year contract with foxtel vs $700 tivo. I hope there are at least a few non-generation Y's out there that can still remember how to run a budget. Also, it's not just those who can't afford foxtel. There are many who can't get foxtel because they are renting, or because of physical location.
e.z Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) IMO, what could give tivo a real push would be some terrestrial pay tv channels (preferrably only exclusive to terrestrial) and im actually thinking of setanta sports too maybe would be a good idea, like in the UK Edited July 3, 2008 by e.z
ozdoc Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Oz FTA .. "the best content available" .. umm, right...that's funny. I believe Peter actually wrote "most of the best content". Get the context right. If you've traveled much overseas and seen their FTA, you'd realise he's right. One other thing to throw into consideration is the possibility of multicasting in the next year or so, of which the FTA PVRs will be in a position to utilize, particularly for FTA sport. I'm not confident foxtel will give bandwidth to ABC3, Seven 2 etc.
grb1503561862 Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 I believe Peter actually wrote "most of the best content". Get the context right. If you've traveled much overseas and seen their FTA, you'd realise he's right. yes, I know - I still strongly disagree that Australian FTA is "most", "some", or other qualification of the best content available.
suparockin Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Since FTA has almost zero football coverage there is no way TIVO can win this competition. Viva Foxtel.
ozdoc Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) Since FTA has almost zero football coverage there is no way TIVO can win this competition.Viva Foxtel. Yeah. 5 out of 8 AFL games a weekend on FTA where I live.. Thats close to almost zero. :wacko: The problem with the 'best content' discussion is obviously content involves personal preferences. Edited July 3, 2008 by ozdoc
Paranoid666au Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 You may as well say Foxtel v. Free to air. Tivo doesn't offer any new content. Of course the Tivo can get content off the internet but so can the iQ2, do it will be interesting when that happens.
Yapab Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 As someone said above... who cares about tivo's ability to record various actors and time slots.. there is hardly anything worth recording on fta.... it should be priced around $350 at most. Foxtel iq2 offers many more channels, its not just a pvr. The discovery channel alone shits on most FTA shows. I'm not a foxtel fanboy, dont have it and never had... but if I was to spend 700 or 1k for something like this I would definately get the foxtel iq2, as it would allow me to do the same things as tivo but with a lot more channels. besides I have a HTPC which cost half the price of tivo and can record ftw easily... even comes with a epg. Yapa
MattWinter Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 Yeah. 5 out of 8 AFL games a weekend on FTA where I live.. Thats close to almost zero. :wacko: The problem with the 'best content' discussion is obviously content involves personal preferences. He means real football.... As quoted above, $3200 for two year contract with foxtel vs $700 tivo. I hope there are at least a few non-generation Y's out there that can still remember how to run a budget. Also, it's not just those who can't afford foxtel. There are many who can't get foxtel because they are renting, or because of physical location. To get the IQ2 (and get all FTA SD and HD channels like the tivo allows you to do) you only need to pay an extra $10 a month on top of the rest of your subscription (which is for foxtel channels, not offered by tivo) - so you should be comparing $700 to a $200 installation fee + $240 for a 24 month subscription. You can't take the rest of the subscription price into the equation because that is for completely different features, not offered by Tivo.
re-boot Posted July 3, 2008 Posted July 3, 2008 He means real football.... To get the IQ2 (and get all FTA SD and HD channels like the tivo allows you to do) you only need to pay an extra $10 a month on top of the rest of your subscription (which is for foxtel channels, not offered by tivo) - so you should be comparing $700 to a $200 installation fee + $240 for a 24 month subscription. You can't take the rest of the subscription price into the equation because that is for completely different features, not offered by Tivo. I was going to say exactly the same thing. Plus, the TIVO isn't fully operational. They will be charging you extra for the features (that they have disabled) if you want them after the product is launched.
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