mantronic Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Reason: LCDs 2 biggest problems are greatly increased as screen size increase ie: - motion on any given shot is a longer physical distance resulting in a longer physical blur, and the physical "front" of the blur is wider, and of course more noticable/distracting. - non uniformity seems to take a bigger % of screen size (even cnet says its impossible to get decent uniformity over 40 inch. Now plasma is a different story ... excellent motion and perfect uniformity at 60 inches!!!!!!!!!???????????
MACCA350 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 You trolling or something Come over and see my 100" LCD screen.........not a hint of motion blur cheers
myrantz Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 You trolling or something +1 for troll... It's the limitations of LCD tech at the moment, not like the plasma is completely flawless... Come over and see my 100" LCD screen.........not a hint of motion blur Well, this panel has abit of motion blur, but if ur not anal about it, it doesn't really matter... Your eyes and brain adjust very quickly to any artefacts and will filter it out.... mantronic, you should give your brain some credit and stop overriding it with your immaturity, the current techs have limitations, plasma and LCD alike, so deal with it, or stick to the old CRT...
MACCA350 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Well, this panel has abit of motion blur, but if ur not anal about it, it doesn't really matter... Your eyes and brain adjust very quickly to any artefacts and will filter it out..............Or maybe the use of 3x 0.74" LCD panels have something to do with it cheers
myrantz Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 ..........Or maybe the use of 3x 0.74" LCD panels have something to do with it No idea ... the PQ isn't that bad actually, I certainly don't mind if somebody buys one of that (or the new bigger 108 one) and invites me over every weekend... The people will almost look life size in it, and I'm sure I don't mind it at all say when watching sports like the NBA, or real football... Average joes don't care about lag, contrast, brightness, etc of LCD/plasmas when it's big enough... People with their own generators may consider the 150 inch plasma too... Sure the Kuro is better, but if another friend owns a 100 inch (or better) LCD, I will still go for the bigger screen... lol I'm no purist, when the screen is big enough, little flaws don't matter anymore.... The LED backlight should hopefully solve most outstanding flaws with current gen LCDs.. Maybe a third party video scaler can help too... <troll> None of that matters anyway, currently there's no digital display on earth that can beat the Sony XEL-1 (native res of only 960x540)... People arguing about Plasma vs LCD are only fighting for the #2 position.. lol... </troll>
mantronic Posted June 30, 2008 Author Posted June 30, 2008 Err .... the thread is on 2 specific points ... and only in relation to size .... its not a general one is better. I should rename it to "trebild gets all emotional and personal" ... no other point with that nonsense up there .
Pleasure Paulie Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 What's the point of this thread? To somehow bash LCD?
DrP Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) I'm sure someone with a large PDP will show up in due time and mention the rainbow effect. Sorry. I see this is a 'why big LCDs are no good thread', not a 'why big PDPs are no good thread'. I'll try to keep on topic from now on. Edited June 30, 2008 by DrP
mantronic Posted June 30, 2008 Author Posted June 30, 2008 Argh ... the thread was about LCDs having less cons at smaller sizes ... get it ..... how is that so fricken insidious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its turning into a PMS convention.
DrP Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) No, its turning into a troll... on your behalf. Thread topic "Why Bigger Isnt Better With Lcd". The standard of trolling on this forum really has gone downhill. Edited June 30, 2008 by DrP
Monkeyboi Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Hasn't this stupid argument been done to death? From reading various threads and replies on this very subject irrespective of the size of the screen, the only conclusive evidence is it's all proportionally related to ego and inversely proportional to penis size. LCD vs plasma. The evidence is clear - Those who bought plasma knock LCD. Those who bought LCD knock plasma. Few change camps. Technology is improving in leaps and bounds every month. Last year's plasma or LCD is old hat technology. Most people don't consider their viewing situation (ambient light level, angle of view, viewing distance etc) before they rush out and spend their hard earned $$$$. Most buyers make their decisions based on sales hype (a.k.a. ill-informed saleperson BS). Sad truth is, 99% of TVs in retail showrooms are incorrectly set up to display the set's full capability. Most buyers evaluate the set's PQ performance on an upconverted SD to HD FTA transmission, rather than from a good PQ source such as Blu-ray via HDMI. Buyer's remorse is more common than one thinks it is. Most people are reluctant to admit they made the wrong decision. Some information posted on this forum is ill-informed and highly subjective. Some forum members should get a life and sit back and enjoy the show. If they can't, then they should let others sit back and enjoy the show.
MACCA350 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) Argh ... the thread was about LCDs having less cons at smaller sizes ... get it ..... how is that so fricken insidious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Its turning into a PMS convention. I already mentioned my 100" LCD based screen does not suffer motion blur.Even when I ran the uniformity test on DVE HD they showed perfect uniformity.........should note I haven't re-tested recently So what is your point? cheers Edited June 30, 2008 by MACCA350
mantronic Posted June 30, 2008 Author Posted June 30, 2008 I already mentioned my 100" LCD based screen does not suffer motion blur.Even when I ran the uniformity test on DVE HD they showed perfect uniformity.........should note I haven't re-tested recently So what is your point? cheers I thought this was a funny, which I liked except everyone else is carrying on like they just watched a beheading video. If its not a funny you have also lost me. But the thread was more a small LCD vs Large LCD thread, although its pointless with the sensitivity over the issue. I probably shouldnt have mentioned plasma within cooee of lcd.
myrantz Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Err .... the thread is on 2 specific points ... and only in relation to size .... its not a general one is better. I should rename it to "trebild gets all emotional and personal" ... no other point with that nonsense up there . I get all emotional and personal because of the way you phase your original post, it's just childish trolling... Maybe I didn't explain it properly enough.. Just because there's lag on the 50 inch, doesn't mean the lag is shown up 2x optically on the 100" one.. It doesn't seem to work that way, if anything, the 100" is pretty good, for it's size... I'm debunking ur 1st statement... As for 2nd statement, be patient and wait for LED backlight. That is supposed to be the saviour, you have to wait for LED TVs to be run in for a year or so before you can really compare really.. LED might solve the video lag as well.. Until LED backlights becomes the mainstream of LCDs, you can't really compare plasma against LCD... Apples and oranges are both fruits, but the similiarty more or less ends there. Go fight for that #2/3 spot if you like, I'm more interested to find out if CRT or OLED or Laser is #1. BTW, I'm not tellnig anybody not to buy big LCDs... Your needs and room conditions vary...
MACCA350 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) I thought this was a funny, which I liked except everyone else is carrying on like they just watched a beheading video.If its not a funny you have also lost me. But the thread was more a small LCD vs Large LCD thread, although its pointless with the sensitivity over the issue. I probably shouldnt have mentioned plasma within cooee of lcd. Maybe try reading slowly because it's not a funny.Although it could be classes as both a big and a small LCD...........ie uses 3x 0.74" LCD panels yet projects an image up to about 300" aka Projector cheers Edited June 30, 2008 by MACCA350
mantronic Posted June 30, 2008 Author Posted June 30, 2008 I get all emotional and personal because of the way you phase your original post, it's just childish trolling...Maybe I didn't explain it properly enough.. Just because there's lag on the 50 inch, doesn't mean the lag is shown up 2x optically on the 100" one.. It doesn't seem to work that way, if anything, the 100" is pretty good, for it's size... I'm debunking ur 1st statement... As for 2nd statement, be patient and wait for LED backlight. That is supposed to be the saviour, you have to wait for LED TVs to be run in for a year or so before you can really compare really.. LED might solve the video lag as well.. Until LED backlights becomes the mainstream of LCDs, you can't really compare plasma against LCD... Apples and oranges are both fruits, but the similiarty more or less ends there. Go fight for that #2/3 spot if you like, I'm more interested to find out if CRT or OLED or Laser is #1. BTW, I'm not tellnig anybody not to buy big LCDs... Your needs and room conditions vary... Ive never heard of 100 inch lcd ... thanks for sharing. Your first point is interesting ... my viewing doesnt confirm (ie 32 inch blur hard to see, 52 inch very easy). Id like to look into that further. Your second point you seem to be agreeing on uniformity. You say LED will help uniformity which is interesting. And Even lag which is more interesting ... may reall merit waiting. In view of the substantial nature your points its pretty clear that the threas was a discussion and didnt warrrant the troll comment. The bits about brains and immaturity were even more unwarranted. Whatever . the thread is such a joke now its not worth me joining in the kleenex party. But at least you addressed the thread topic when you threw insults, which is better most of the other posts I still think bigger isnt better when a smaller panel hides the flaws better ... and I still dont get the hot headedness ... these are cheapish consumer items not political or regligious ideals????????
myrantz Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Ive never heard of 100 inch lcd ... thanks for sharing. OK.. I take all that back.. I'm a dumb tool and I can't read japanese.. This is prob my worst embarrasment yet in a public forum... I think what I said earlier on that panel still holds true, but the problem is it's a plasma... That explains the little video lag... I saw so many TVs and things that day I can't get my head straight.. I think I saw a LCD TV somewhere but I can't recall anything off hand now, nor do I have the pictures to show for it... I know your claims are wrong but I can't prove it anymore... I'd go shoot myself now... But at least you addressed the thread topic when you threw insults, which is better most of the other posts I still think bigger isnt better when a smaller panel hides the flaws better ... and I still dont get the hot headedness ... these are cheapish consumer items not political or regligious ideals???????? I wouldn't say $2k-$3k cheap consumer items.. They are cheap overseas, not that cheap yet in Australia (but i see some improvements now)... The LCD may have video lag, but I'm sure it still works for some people.. Ultimately I think the LCD will catch up, just wait for the LED to settle in before giving judgement... In theory LED should work as advertised... I think LED TVs are already out now in the shops?? Buy one, calibrate it at home, and compare it with your plasma, if it still sucks, you can always put it in the spare bedroom.
MACCA350 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 .......just wait for the LED to settle in before giving judgement... In theory LED should work as advertised... I think LED TVs are already out now in the shops?? Buy one, calibrate it at home, and compare it with your plasma, if it still sucks, you can always put it in the spare bedroom.Are you talking about LED backlighting for LCD screens or OLED displays that are hitting the market?cheers
mantronic Posted June 30, 2008 Author Posted June 30, 2008 Maybe try reading slowly because it's not a funny.Although it could be classes as both a big and a small LCD...........ie uses 3x 0.74" LCD panels yet projects an image up to about 300" aka Projector cheers Um ...i guess you are talking about your LCD based projector .... I see the literal relevance ... in a light hearted way ... sort of Never seen a good set up in action but sounds nice if it works as you say.
myrantz Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Are you talking about LED backlighting for LCD screens or OLED displays that are hitting the market?cheers LED backlights for LCDs... In theory it will have uniform brightness out of the box (and will stay that way), and have higher contrast ratios, etc, etc.. In theory at least, the LED LCD monitors don't look that fantastic, but maybe it will be different on the bigger TV panels... At the end of the day, there are pros and cons to everything, sadly even OLED... For one I think video lagging is very screen dependent, short of that huge plasma, I think the biggest LCD I saw is prob in the 70 or 80"... At least the problems isn't "magnified" if you know what i mean..
MACCA350 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 Um ...i guess you are talking about your LCD based projector .... I see the literal relevance ... in a light hearted way ... sort of cheers
MACCA350 Posted June 30, 2008 Posted June 30, 2008 LED backlights for LCDs... In theory it will have uniform brightness out of the box (and will stay that way), and have higher contrast ratios, etc, etc.. In theory at least, the LED LCD monitors don't look that fantastic, but maybe it will be different on the bigger TV panels...I thought they hadn't implemented them in anything on the market yet, hence why I thought you may have been referring to OLED.I'd love to see an OLED in action. Given it's possibilities, I'm excited to see how far they run with the technology. cheers
mantronic Posted June 30, 2008 Author Posted June 30, 2008 (edited) Buyer's remorse is more common than one thinks it is. Agree with this - I bought a bigger lcd thinking bigger was better and saw huge blur that is harder to see on a 40 inch. Who knows .... maybe someone reading this thread will consider a smaller screen and be happier in the long run Some forum members should get a life ... and lighten up ... strongly agree with this ... some carry on like any comparison between any 2 panels is life and death. I dont see the relevance of the rest of the post. Needless to say Im still trying to fathom the rest of the nonsense in the sookier posts. Ive owned LCD and PDP and would own either again in the right application. Edited June 30, 2008 by mantronic
mantronic Posted June 30, 2008 Author Posted June 30, 2008 I thought they hadn't implemented them in anything on the market yet, hence why I thought you may have been referring to OLED.I'd love to see an OLED in action. Given it's possibilities, I'm excited to see how far they run with the technology. cheers Samsung have an led backlight in the US and the new top sony XBR will have it. I think even the current 70 inch XBR has it. I didnt know it helped with uniformity - just blacks.
kulfi Posted July 1, 2008 Posted July 1, 2008 Back on topic - I agree that an increase in screen size makes things worse. However, this problem affects LCDs and plasmas equally. As the screen size goes up, the pixel count and viewing distance need to be altered otherwise it will show pixellation, blur and other flaws in the picture. This is purely because of image magnification. I tried to stand close to a plain-HD 50" 1366X768 plasma, at around 1 m away from the screen. At this distance from my 46" Full HD LCD, the picture doesn't look that bad. The result for the plasma - I felt sick after a few seconds and the world around me looked fuzzy. Of course, the flaws in the image were blown up and literally "in my face". This makes the comment on LCD sound a bit biased. It would be better to take the balanced view that size isn't everything and that other factors also matter.
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