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Hi mantronic, I have a mac mini at home with an Elgato EyeTV and IceTV EPG (www.icetv.com.au). How does the Sony's W EPG work? Is it a cutdown version of some sort of EPG broadcast via the networks? I can't imagine it's a full EPG like IceTV (which costs $).. and the telly would need some sort of Internet network connection.

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its just a 7 day tv guide broadcast by most stations (not SBS I think) but its alot handier than a tv week or going onto the net to find out whats on free to air (I dont use fox though which could be why its a big issue for me).

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Other factor is consider going small ... 46 inch and above LCDs have bigger motion and dark/light spot issues. IF YOU MUST HAVE BIG and dont game tonnes the new panny plasmas are pure heaven. Blacks .. motion ... viewing angles .... miles ahead IMO. Cheap too.

I just picked up the new Panasonic 46" TH-PZ46800A and its a great TV, though its not pure heaven. Great for motion, and dark blacks even in low light as you said, but the picture isn't as crisp, and the edges as defined and detailed as on a good LCD. The 2008 Panasonic plasma's still suffer from the hazey edges like previous years models. Its a great TV, and the best option at its price point for television and movies, but its not perfect. Its pros outweigh its cons and put it ahead of any other TV on the market, bar probably a kuro.

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I just picked up the new Panasonic 46" TH-PZ46800A and its a great TV, though its not pure heaven. Great for motion, and dark blacks even in low light as you said, but the picture isn't as crisp, and the edges as defined and detailed as on a good LCD. The 2008 Panasonic plasma's still suffer from the hazey edges like previous years models. Its a great TV, and the best option at its price point for television and movies, but its not perfect. Its pros outweigh its cons and put it ahead of any other TV on the market, bar probably a kuro.

I was going to get a Panasonic TH-PZ50800A but now im not so sure. I want the clear crisp image of a Sony and the motion and deep blacks of the Panasonic.... haha :unsure:

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I was going to get a Panasonic TH-PZ50800A but now im not so sure. I want the clear crisp image of a Sony and the motion and deep blacks of the Panasonic.... haha :unsure:

... And the pana viewing angle. And the sony resistance to ir.

I dont notice the edging on the panas but many seem to.

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im torn between the TH-PZ46800A and the kdl40w4000 at the moment.

leaning towards the sony for the ps3 though, going to be sitting relatively close to the tv around 1.5-2m

Get the W at dick smith and return if you dont like and get the pana. The pana is a nicer tv (my mate bought one ... cnet says it has Kuro blacks and they arent kidding) ... just remember that the phosphor trails for cod4 can unbearable whereas LCD blur is minor and you get used to it.

There is also the slight burn in risk/problems using as PC monitor which can be a deal breaker for some. Others dont mind but as a gamer/pc person those issues are pushing me back to LCD.

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Get the W at dick smith and return if you dont like and get the pana. The pana is a nicer tv (my mate bought one ... cnet says it has Kuro blacks and they arent kidding) ... just remember that the phosphor trails for cod4 can unbearable whereas LCD blur is minor and you get used to it.

There is also the slight burn in risk/problems using as PC monitor which can be a deal breaker for some. Others dont mind but as a gamer/pc person those issues are pushing me back to LCD.

Yeah I'm leaning more towards LCD since I'd be gaming on it quite a bit. Leaning towards a 46 650a and with the money saved get an xbox :lol:

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Thanks to all for your posts. Today I finally made a purchase and perhaps I can help out others by posting my price research. I am in Melbourne so this should help those Melburnians who have been getting relatively bad prices. I was shopping for the best deal between Sharp and Sony brands and finally decided on the Sony KDL46W4000 for $2700 at Camberwell Electrics (no. I didn't buy anything else or get the extended warranty). If you have never heard of this store I highly recommend you call them last. I have used them for all sorts of electrical appliances and they have never failed to beat any genuine price! Anyway, other prices I got were as follows

Sony KDL46X3100 - $3000 - Camberwell Electrics

Sharp LC46D83X - $2800 - Camberwell Electrics

Sharp LC46D63X - $2500 - Good Guys, JB, HN

Sharp LC52PD7X - $2700 - JB

Sharp LC46PD7X - $1850 - Retravision at Knox (they have about 6 and want to get rid of them. This was almost too hard to refuse.)

Homecast HT8000 PVR - $540 - Good Guys

These were all over the phone offers except the actual purchase and the Homecast purchase which I ended up getting from JB for $250 because I didn't want to wait for GG to get an order in.

I will copy this post to a number of relevant threads and hope it helps someone.

Thinking of starting a business on the side as a retail broker. I'll take 10% of what I save you on the ticket price. Anyone interested??

Cheers,

REV

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i can't believe Sony Australia is selling a watered down version W series, this is just not acceptable. no 100Hz motion flow, and BE2 instead of BE EX, this new W series is actually going backwards, shocking!

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i can't believe Sony Australia is selling a watered down version W series, this is just not acceptable. no 100Hz motion flow, and BE2 instead of BE EX, this new W series is actually going backwards, shocking!

Come on, read the reviews, everyone who has actually SEEN one is saying it is very good, just because the specs on paper don't look as impressive doesn't mean the next generation screen is worse... And isn't the BE2 newer generation and better then BE EX? I bought an x series anyway.

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Come on, read the reviews, everyone who has actually SEEN one is saying it is very good, just because the specs on paper don't look as impressive doesn't mean the next generation screen is worse... And isn't the BE2 newer generation and better then BE EX? I bought an x series anyway.

Anyone with a W series seeing any sparkles?

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Come on, read the reviews, everyone who has actually SEEN one is saying it is very good, just because the specs on paper don't look as impressive doesn't mean the next generation screen is worse... And isn't the BE2 newer generation and better then BE EX? I bought an x series anyway.

see, this is exactly how people get tricked into buying the new models, they just assume the new one is better. BE2 is no better than BE EX, it still doesn't have DRC (Digital Reality Creation) like BE EX and BE PRO.

i'm not saying the W4000 is a bad product. but the truth is, this is the model that is being sold as a V series product (V440) in China and some other asian countries for under AUD$1500 (40'), and now sony australia brings it here and sell it as a mid-range for $2699. sure there is a free ps3 offer, but when it finishes, it will become a pure rip-off.

it will be interesting to see what the new X series will be like. maybe they just gonna bring W series from asia to here and sell it as X series.

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Bought a V4000 for $1990 & free PS3 game on Saturday. Thought it was quite a good price and they had sold about 10 that morning, had about 2 in stock.

Where from AnonyMiss? Does sound like a good price. JB brochure has it on "sale" for $2096. Another thread mentioned HN had done it for $1900. JB Chaddy didn't have any available. They seem to be moving quick.

Edit - For the record I am commenting on the 40V4000, not the 32.

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Anyone with a W series seeing any sparkles?

I was at Myer MacQuarie Centre at lunch time today. They had a 32V4000 which was sparkle city.

It was so bad it was unwatchable.

The colour was all wrong too.

The sparkles were mostly white, but some were red.

They seemed to follow the contours of the image. Could it be a HDMI connection problem??

Not sure what connection they were using.

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I was at Myer MacQuarie Centre at lunch time today. They had a 32V4000 which was sparkle city.

It was so bad it was unwatchable.

The colour was all wrong too.

The sparkles were mostly white, but some were red.

They seemed to follow the contours of the image. Could it be a HDMI connection problem??

Not sure what connection they were using.

What are sparkles?

I'm thinking of picking up a KDL32V4000 and want to know what to look out for.

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see, this is exactly how people get tricked into buying the new models, they just assume the new one is better. BE2 is no better than BE EX, it still doesn't have DRC (Digital Reality Creation) like BE EX and BE PRO.

i'm not saying the W4000 is a bad product. but the truth is, this is the model that is being sold as a V series product (V440) in China and some other asian countries for under AUD$1500 (40'), and now sony australia brings it here and sell it as a mid-range for $2699. sure there is a free ps3 offer, but when it finishes, it will become a pure rip-off.

it will be interesting to see what the new X series will be like. maybe they just gonna bring W series from asia to here and sell it as X series.

How right on you are. If you are ready to believe, you are easy to deceive. :huh:

Infact the BE EX uses (DRC) & the BE PRO uses Advanced DRC which further enhances upscaling of SD material.

Also the new X series will apparently be the X4000 due in Sep which includes the Bravia Engine Pro 2 & LED backlighting on the 46"+ models. (originally i was under the impression it was going to be called the Z series but ive been told that is a US model.)

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What are sparkles?

I'm thinking of picking up a KDL32V4000 and want to know what to look out for.

In this case, the sparkles were tiny white (or red) marks that appeared to be about 2-4 pixels high and 1-2 pixels wide.

They were all over the screen and moved only slowly with the picture content. They appeared to sit just where

there was a transition in the horizontal direction between certain values of colour. This could mean it was

caused by digital transition noise in the data stream, possibly on the HDMI interface.

It was absolutely appalling to watch. They should have just turned it off and placed a service call.

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Where from AnonyMiss? Does sound like a good price. JB brochure has it on "sale" for $2096. Another thread mentioned HN had done it for $1900. JB Chaddy didn't have any available. They seem to be moving quick.

Edit - For the record I am commenting on the 40V4000, not the 32.

It was at Joondalup Retravision, WA. They had it for $1988 in the Good Guys Catalogue last week (without the game) but it has gone up this week.

Does anyone know how long it takes Sony to "receive" the documentation, as I sent it at the weekend?

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see, this is exactly how people get tricked into buying the new models, they just assume the new one is better. BE2 is no better than BE EX, it still doesn't have DRC (Digital Reality Creation) like BE EX and BE PRO.

i'm not saying the W4000 is a bad product. but the truth is, this is the model that is being sold as a V series product (V440) in China and some other asian countries for under AUD$1500 (40'), and now sony australia brings it here and sell it as a mid-range for $2699. sure there is a free ps3 offer, but when it finishes, it will become a pure rip-off.

it will be interesting to see what the new X series will be like. maybe they just gonna bring W series from asia to here and sell it as X series.

If i understand correctly isnt the W4000 this years replacement model of the 2007 W3100?

If so why isnt the new W4000 with the BE2 (no DRC) no better than the old W3100 with the BE EX & DRC ???

Or maybe Sony are not replacing a W with a W, instead possibly releasing 2 new top end models (X4000 like in UK) later in the year pushing the W down a rung on a list.

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Does anyone know how long it takes Sony to "receive" the documentation, as I sent it at the weekend?

I sent it by overnight post on Wednesday the 2nd and it didn't update until Tuesday the 8th, so give it a week.

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If i understand correctly isnt the W4000 this years replacement model of the 2007 W3100?

If so why isnt the new W4000 with the BE2 (no DRC) no better than the old W3100 with the BE EX & DRC ???

Or maybe Sony are not replacing a W with a W, instead possibly releasing 2 new top end models (X4000 like in UK) later in the year pushing the W down a rung on a list.

yes, i believe this is the case.

as far as i know, the new V4000 is called J400 in asia, which is the low end bravia product. the new W4000 is V440 in asia, slightly better than J400. and then they have W380 which is our W3100 with motionflow 100hz + BE PRO + twin tuner.

so yeah, 2 new high end range could come this year, X and Z i guess.

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the free PS3 deal is only on the new V4000 series & the current W,X,XBR 3100 series according to the promo thread.

Hi I'm only new at this, so forgive me if I'm not replying or posting right...

I have just put a down payment on a KDL46W4000. I haven't picked it up yet but I was wondering, are the US model numbers for this version different to ours, I'm trying to determine if this model "down under" has Motionflow. It's quite unclear on the Aus sony website. It looks like it doesn't have this feature.

Should I worry about this? I actually went in with intention to purchase the X series 3100 for the motionflow but ended up buying the later model of the W Series.. I got a good deal and was happy getting a later model etc. My sales guy assured me that the W and the X both have the same features.

The US model number equivalent to this looks like 4100 ?? And if that's the case the US one does have this feature. Anyway I've read a bit on this forum and there 's some talk of it being a bit of nuisance?

We watch a bit of sport so it was a concern.. and thus the decision to go with this particular LCD vs Plasma

From my understanding one of you mentioned that it may have 50hz? Also what's the main difference to bravia engine pro and bravia engine 2? Can anyone shed light?

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The W4000 does not have Motionflow - it is a 50Hz model.

The sales guy was way wrong - the W4000 and X3100 features are very different. The V4000 and W4000 are pretty similar, and the X3100 and XBR3100 are pretty similar.

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