ellerbrockr Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 US $499 for an Ethernet cable? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/0...16&from=rss Amazon sells it too. Some of the Amazon comments are rather funny.
jayweb Posted June 15, 2008 Posted June 15, 2008 US $499 for an Ethernet cable? http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/0...16&from=rss Amazon sells it too. Some of the Amazon comments are rather funny. Someone will buy it...just to say they bought it. Sony still have a 70 inch LCD for 70 grand.....someone would have bought it........
myrantz Posted June 16, 2008 Posted June 16, 2008 Someone will buy it...just to say they bought it. What's so special with this cables? Anyone tried normal cheap STP cables and still get the job done?
Guest JohnA Posted June 16, 2008 Posted June 16, 2008 Can We Take Denon Seriously? the same can be said about any other cable company interconnects for $5k rca plugs for $2k people buy it and as long as they continue to do so, companies will keep coming out with these beauties
Shonky* Posted June 16, 2008 Posted June 16, 2008 If the cable is simply being used as a 100Mbit (maybe 1Gbit) ethernet cable, I'm sure any old Cat 5 (or 6E in the case of Gbit) or better cable will work just fine. However if they are using it for higher speed data and using it differently to Ethernet then there is some plausibility. Either way, it's a rip off though. There is no chance it would cost that much to make.
myrantz Posted June 16, 2008 Posted June 16, 2008 Can We Take Denon Seriously?the same can be said about any other cable company interconnects for $5k rca plugs for $2k people buy it and as long as they continue to do so, companies will keep coming out with these beauties Well, FWIW I don't think the cables are that expensive in Singapore.. It's about $100-$120 SGD I think, not $499 .... But $100 for a short 1m cable is still too much... lol.. If the cable is simply being used as a 100Mbit (maybe 1Gbit) ethernet cable, I'm sure any old Cat 5 (or 6E in the case of Gbit) or better cable will work just fine. However if they are using it for higher speed data and using it differently to Ethernet then there is some plausibility.Either way, it's a rip off though. There is no chance it would cost that much to make. Normal Ethernet cables are UTP (unshielded) though, these denon link cables are shielded...
DZA888 Posted June 16, 2008 Posted June 16, 2008 and they havent even designed an end where that little 'clip' cant break off which is the single biggest floor of the typical ethernet cable... tsk tsk tsk i say
THX1979 Posted June 16, 2008 Posted June 16, 2008 i thought this was a thread on the disastrous denon blu ray players
Shonky* Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Normal Ethernet cables are UTP (unshielded) though, these denon link cables are shielded... That's what I mean - they may not (probably not actually) be using it as Ethernet cabling. Ethernet has latency that would likely be too high for normal audio transfer - particularly if trying to run TCP or UDP over it. There is a low level system called Cobranet used for PA that runs audio "broadcast" over ethernet at the ethernet packet level. I doubt this is what Denon's doing. Hence, I highly doubt the cable is being used as an Ethernet cable although it looks like one.
myrantz Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 i thought this was a thread on the disastrous denon blu ray players What do you mean by disastrous? At least Denon not releasing a HD DVD player now... Their 2nd gen player will be better I guess... Why can't they just make one region free, sighz.. That's what I mean - they may not (probably not actually) be using it as Ethernet cabling. Ethernet has latency that would likely be too high for normal audio transfer - particularly if trying to run TCP or UDP over it. There is a low level system called Cobranet used for PA that runs audio "broadcast" over ethernet at the ethernet packet level. I doubt this is what Denon's doing.Hence, I highly doubt the cable is being used as an Ethernet cable although it looks like one. Really no idea how Denon Link works... I don't have any Denon SACD/DVD players... But I've plugged in my ethernet cable into that stupid Denon link port on my amp multiple times by mistake, it didn't acquire any IP address from my DHCP server, so I guess it's not really network comms capable...
blairy Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 Denon Link is Denon's proprietary link for hirez audio signals (sacd/dvd-a) between denon dvd players and receivers. Pioneer use (or did use) firewire for the same thing. My avr has denonlink - cheapest denon dvd that uses it is around aud1600 - out of my league. Different to ethernet.
infected flow Posted June 18, 2008 Posted June 18, 2008 its funny you know how much they charge.. but a friend just came back from japan and i told him to get me a hdmi cable for me..Well guess what there was one cable there HDMI and it cost $1000aus for 1 metre and people were buying it..lol i nearly **** myself.
fawlty99 Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Denon Link is Denon's proprietary link for hirez audio signals (sacd/dvd-a) between denon dvd players and receivers. Pioneer use (or did use) firewire for the same thing. My avr has denonlink - cheapest denon dvd that uses it is around aud1600 - out of my league. Different to ethernet. The magic is not in the cable but in the processing of the signal (in & out). I may be wrong but my belief was that the cable was just that - a 4 twisted pair cable. Not sure if it's a crossover or straight through cable but I could always test it with a multimeter (if i could be bothered).
fawlty99 Posted June 19, 2008 Posted June 19, 2008 Unable to contain curiosity I googled for instances of plain old ethernet cable being used for denon-link and found plenty of examples. It seems a shielded cat5 cable will do fine. Maybe the proprietory cable is better quality but I doubt if you'de hear the difference.
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