Myth Or Fact? Playing Games On Plasma Displays

[rexilla99]

When playing xbox or PS3 on the plasma , is it true that you are more likely to stuff up your plasma or LCD ?

[djmm]

Never heard of that, but of course you are not suppose to play long hours non stop with plasma or you might get image retention.

I personally never played for more than 2 hours straight, and after that, I'll view normal TV channel to 'wash up' any possible retentions. I might be over careful, but TVs are not cheap.

But if you are heavy gamers (eg. can play at 5-6 hours straight easily everyday), I guess it's better to go LCD.

Edited June 12, 2008 by djmm

[digitalj]

I think it depends what sort of game, i.e. playing games for long periods that are practically still will probably cause IR or Burn in, whereas you could play an adventure game for example where the pixels are nearly always changing, these one's are not likely to cause IR or burn in due to hardly anything being still.

[Grumpalumpa]

For ages I was deadset on going LCD for my 360 because I do a lot of gaming.

But after reading all the posts on DTV and the fact that plasmas still do better blacks and you can get a bigger screen for the same amount of money I decided plasma was the way to go.

Plus the tv will be in the media room for watching movies as well.

I have a 32" Palsonic LCD at the moment for my 360 and I can't fault it but I am hoping to get a 50" plasma to give me that 'wow factor'.

[momaw]

I installed MGS4 last night on PS3. It takes 8 minutes to install the nearly 5gb required to the HDD. During the install it warned against playing on a Plamsa or other non LCD display as to do so would cause burn-in and image retention and Konami would accept no liability for damage caused.

I used to have a plasma and did get image retention from gaming, but I was careful to avoid burn-in.

[simopimo]

I installed MGS4 last night on PS3. It takes 8 minutes to install the nearly 5gb required to the HDD. During the install it warned against playing on a Plamsa or other non LCD display as to do so would cause burn-in and image retention and Konami would accept no liability for damage caused.

I used to have a plasma and did get image retention from gaming, but I was careful to avoid burn-in.

Sounds like the lawyers got hold of that one and they are just covering their backsides...

I wouldn't trade my 50" Plasma for an LCD, and when I game, I generally game in long stints. No problem here. Just exercise common sense - no still images for extended periods etc etc etc.

[pgdownload]

No its no longer true. Early models of plasmas had bad burn in issues (for LCDs the problem was blur with fast motion). For both types these issues are largely eradicated. As long as you don't run brightness/contrast at 100% and leave the same still image on screen for hours on end then you won't have an issue.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[scottylans]

When playing xbox or PS3 on the plasma , is it true that you are more likely to stuff up your plasma or LCD ?

If you're stupid, the Plasma is susceptable to burning the image in forever.

If you set the brightness and contrast to a reasonable level and run a 'washer' after a huge gaming session, you shouldn't have a problem to be honest.

Plus the Plasma (as far as I'm aware) will 'move' nicer - hence me buying a plasma (and I'm a big gamer)

[mantronic]

I installed MGS4 last night on PS3. It takes 8 minutes to install the nearly 5gb required to the HDD. During the install it warned against playing on a Plamsa or other non LCD display as to do so would cause burn-in and image retention and Konami would accept no liability for damage caused.

I installed last night on my plasma and loled at that warning.

I lol every time I watch a fast moving cut scene and imagine how bad it would be on my old bravia.

God that is a pretty game ... looks one gen newer than anything else on ps3.

Bad news is I got to the next level and it started another install!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Doug1503559538]

When playing xbox or PS3 on the plasma , is it true that you are more likely to stuff up your plasma or LCD ?

Myth.

[mantronic]

Huge myth.

Ill finish MGS4 this weekend and report back on the total lack of IR.

[momaw]

Anyone who says they get no image retention on a plasma whatsoever after playing a game which has static bars/menu's/etc for a few hours is either lying or doesn't know what image retention is.

A good panel will lose the IR very quickly (minutes) but some take longer and it will depend on how long the static image was present.

If you are not careful that could become full blown burn-in and before some go nuts, I have even seen this happen on the current model Pioneer which is considered one of the best. Careful use will prevent this, but don't believe those that say it is not possible or something you don't have to be mindful of.

[Juicester]

Anyone who says they get no image retention on a plasma whatsoever after playing a game which has static bars/menu's/etc for a few hours is either lying or doesn't know what image retention is.

hmm. nothing like a sweeping generalisation to break the ice... Personally i've seen no evidence on IR on my Pansonic Plasma after 4-6 hours of games which have static bars to the side. I do know what IR is - but never seen it on my plasma. Happens to my brother in laws LG a bit though.

I honestly can't understand why LCD is considered the best for gaming. I use a plasma for my PS3 and an LCD for my PC games - and I prefer the vivid rich colours on the plasma, and i havent noticed blur on it ever. Also worth noting to those who are scared of burning in their plasma, did you know that apparently a CRT is just as, if not more susceptible to IR or 'burn' than a plasma? And how many people left their CRT's on almost permanently and never noticed anything?!

[Iglesia]

Anyone who says they get no image retention on a plasma whatsoever after playing a game which has static bars/menu's/etc for a few hours is either lying or doesn't know what image retention is.

A good panel will lose the IR very quickly (minutes) but some take longer and it will depend on how long the static image was present.

If you are not careful that could become full blown burn-in and before some go nuts, I have even seen this happen on the current model Pioneer which is considered one of the best. Careful use will prevent this, but don't believe those that say it is not possible or something you don't have to be mindful of.

[deleted by Moderator] I've been using all three consoles (see below) with my tv from week two and haven't noticed a skeric of image retention (yes I know what it is). This includes tons of gaming sessions at 10 hours +.

Hope this helps

[momaw]

I honestly can't understand why LCD is considered the best for gaming.

I wasn't aware this was a Plasma vs LCD discussion

The OP expressed a concern. I think people should put aside this whole Plasma vs LCD thing for a second, grow up and stop acting like they are barracking for a team and maybe offer some real help.

IR and Burn-in are very real issues on plasma and the OP should be aware of them rather than going on the wishful thinking and distorted opinions by some. If those saying IR and Burn-in are "myth" and they are no consideration at all, they should be prepared to put their money where their mouth is and offer the OP a guarantee and indemnity that should his new Plasma be affected they will pay for it. I doubt anyone will do this.

And should the OP go LCD then yes, he may have to put up with some motion blur (some panels are worse than others and some people are more susceptible to it than others).

both techs have good and bad points. Putting your head in the sand about it helps no one.

[scottylans]

hmm. nothing like a sweeping generalisation to break the ice... Personally i've seen no evidence on IR on my Pansonic Plasma after 4-6 hours of games which have static bars to the side. I do know what IR is - but never seen it on my plasma. Happens to my brother in laws LG a bit though.

I honestly can't understand why LCD is considered the best for gaming. I use a plasma for my PS3 and an LCD for my PC games - and I prefer the vivid rich colours on the plasma, and i havent noticed blur on it ever. Also worth noting to those who are scared of burning in their plasma, did you know that apparently a CRT is just as, if not more susceptible to IR or 'burn' than a plasma? And how many people left their CRT's on almost permanently and never noticed anything?!

I nearly considered an LCD after seeing the motion smoothing 100hz Sony X series, plus the cashback would've worked out well

I looked a second time and JB was playing back 'bee movie' - there's one scene with a ticker scrolling at the bottom (news style ticker) - for some reason the LCD just lost its brain and it stuttered terribly - the plasma was smooth as butter..........

Furthermore those LCD blacks just dont' cut it and I've researched how to minimise IR / Burn in on the plasmas - so I'll be going plasma.

[Rocean]

During the install it warned against playing on a Plamsa or other non LCD display as to do so would cause burn-in and image retention and Konami would accept no liability for damage caused.

lol.. atlesat they didn't say.. warning plasma's cause burn in... hence buy sony bravia lcds only

[djmm]

They are just assuming your are playing the game using your old, crappy no name plasma.

[Grunter1503560097]

I wasn't aware this was a Plasma vs LCD discussion

The OP expressed a concern. I think people should put aside this whole Plasma vs LCD thing for a second, grow up and stop acting like they are barracking for a team and maybe offer some real help.

IR and Burn-in are very real issues on plasma and the OP should be aware of them rather than going on the wishful thinking and distorted opinions by some. If those saying IR and Burn-in are "myth" and they are no consideration at all, they should be prepared to put their money where their mouth is and offer the OP a guarantee and indemnity that should his new Plasma be affected they will pay for it. I doubt anyone will do this.

And should the OP go LCD then yes, he may have to put up with some motion blur (some panels are worse than others and some people are more susceptible to it than others).

both techs have good and bad points. Putting your head in the sand about it helps no one.

I'm all for generalizations, but can you say that it is still true for all new model Plasma TVs? Not a shot at you, however I was under the impression that newer gen plasmas have protection built in to prevent this from happening?

For the record, I play 360 games on both a plasma and LCD and have never had any IR on the plasma (maybe I'm subconsciously careful ), and little noticable motion blur on the LCD. Games look great on both, with a small preference to the plasma.

Edited June 13, 2008 by Grunter

[Black Dawg Down]

If those saying IR and Burn-in are "myth" and they are no consideration at all, they should be prepared to put their money where their mouth is and offer the OP a guarantee and indemnity that should his new Plasma be affected they will pay for it. I doubt anyone will do this.

Exactly.

If they are "myth", manufacturers will include these in the warranty. After 8 years in the market, have any of the manufacturers include burn-in damages in their warranty? No. Why? Because they're fact, not myth. Refer to Panasonic's claim of 100,000 hours of phosphor life in their manual, which says it doesn't take into account damages caused by burn-in's.

People who says they can't see IR after 4 hours of gaming just don't know how to spot it. An example is after viewing 2.5 hours of Origin, ch 9 logo is absolutely visible on a white background for at least 1 day. It doesn't go away in minutes.

[cummo]

Exactly.

If they are "myth", manufacturers will include these in the warranty. After 8 years in the market, have any of the manufacturers include burn-in damages in their warranty? No. Why? Because they're fact, not myth. Refer to Panasonic's claim of 100,000 hours of phosphor life in their manual, which says it doesn't take into account damages caused by burn-in's.

People who says they can't see IR after 4 hours of gaming just don't know how to spot it. An example is after viewing 2.5 hours of Origin, ch 9 logo is absolutely visible on a white background for at least 1 day. It doesn't go away in minutes.

What are you talking about?

Image retention and burn-in become very obvious when a panel suffers from it.

[Grunter1503560097]

People who says they can't see IR after 4 hours of gaming just don't know how to spot it. An example is after viewing 2.5 hours of Origin, ch 9 logo is absolutely visible on a white background for at least 1 day. It doesn't go away in minutes.

Or know what to look for and are not getting it on their TV. What model plasma are you talking about above?

Mate I've seen it on older models first hand and know what to look for. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that in my experience after lengthy periods of time playing games, or watching FTA with their crappy logos, I've not had it noticibly, if at all, on my Plasma. Maybe I'm lucky or maybe your basing your knowledge on older tech or cheap and nasty TV's, and I'm betting the second is right.

Your lack of love for plasmas is well known, for the different reasons mentioned in the link in your signature, and you may be right, but if you, are back it up with recent factual data and links.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to back up your comments with facts and links from another thread. Here's the LINK if you can provide anything.

[OakenShield1]

Or know what to look for and are not getting it on their TV. What model plasma are you talking about above?

Mate I've seen it on older models first hand and know what to look for. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that in my experience after lengthy periods of time playing games, or watching FTA with their crappy logos, I've not had it noticibly, if at all, on my Plasma. Maybe I'm lucky or maybe your basing your knowledge on older tech or cheap and nasty TV's, and I'm betting the second is right.

Your lack of love for plasmas is well known, for the different reasons mentioned in the link in your signature, and you may be right, but if you, are back it up with recent factual data and links.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to back up your comments with facts and links from another thread. Here's the LINK if you can provide anything.

Ouch!! Nice personal attack there

I have a 50" Plasma and I love it.

I have a 360 and I play it on my Plasma and I love it.

I think it is roughly a 6th generation plasma.

It suffers from IR. It's minimal and it doesn't bother me in the slightest, reasonable gamer (The Mrs more than me ),

I agree with Mom and BDD that ALL plasma's have to suffer form it to a point! It's the technology.

I'm not trading my screen in for anything though - I still love it!!

[Black Dawg Down]

Maybe I'm lucky or maybe your basing your knowledge on older tech or cheap and nasty TV's, and I'm betting the second is right.

Not cheap and nasty, it's a 6th generation Panasonic PV60A.

Your lack of love for plasmas is well known, for the different reasons mentioned in the link in your signature, and you may be right, but if you, are back it up with recent factual data and links.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to back up your comments with facts and links from another thread. Here's the LINK if you can provide anything.

I'm just stating from my own personal experience, and I have never claimed I can back it up with wider sources. If I can conduct a nation-wide survey I'll be glad to give it to you. In any case, I've never forced anyone to not buy a plasma. You are free to buy whatever you like.

[Grunter1503560097]

Oakenshield, no personal attack intended. Just trying to get sources to back up comments made.

Not cheap and nasty, it's a 6th generation Panasonic PV60A.

Mine is a 5th gen and I haven't noticed it. I wonder if it's visibility can come down to the differences on specs within a model range?

I'm just stating from my own personal experience, and I have never claimed I can back it up with wider sources. If I can conduct a nation-wide survey I'll be glad to give it to you. In any case, I've never forced anyone to not buy a plasma. You are free to buy whatever you like.

Gotcha and no problem as I read your comments as though they were taken from a wider factual basis. Shoot through a post with the results of the survey when it's done.

Edited June 15, 2008 by Grunter