C_Clancy Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) "Singulus Technologies mentioned that Blu-ray is being adopted much faster than DVD in its period, 11 years ago. The statement came after the company received orders for producing 21 Blu-ray dual-layer machines only during this year's first quarter. "This means that the orders for Blu-ray in the first year of the dual layer technology already by far exceeded the volume at the start of the DVD eleven years ago with 17 machines," commented Stefan Baustert, the Chief Financial Officer of Singulus Technologies. The German producer of optical disk equipment and world's only provider of such services as mastering, molding and replication states that there were additional orders of Blu-ray dual-player machines in this year's first quarter and that for the first time the customers from the United States had accepted one of such machines. It is worth mentioning that for several years there was a struggle between Blu-ray and HD-DVD formats. The dispute came to an end when Hollywood studio Warner Bros. decided to work only with the Blu-ray format." Source: http://www.infoniac.com/hi-tech/blu-ray-is...r-than-dvd.html (9 June, 2008) I saw this on Wikipedia and HighDefDigest. I thought it would provide food for discussion. Regards, Colin Edited June 10, 2008 by C_Clancy
ajm1503559545 Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 The world is quite a different place than it was 11 years ago. Certainly the size of the DVD market would show that people are receptive to the idea of buying movies whereas, 11 years ago, rentals were the go. No doubt, straddling Blu-ray across the gaming market has also helped immensely.
SDL Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Could be that companies see the production of Blu-Ray as their future revenue stream. But that doesn't make it a case of build it and they will come. I worked in Telecoms during the big push for 3G that stalled on the runway. People in Europe convinced themselves it was all about to happen and spent billions and hired hundreds of thousands. Most of those companies forgot to talk to the general public and do market research around the globe, they all had significant values of their company wiped off in the stock exchange. This is a good sign, but certainly not a sign of growth where the rubber hits the road, and that will be the most important tell tale.
tonyjg Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 "Singulus Technologies mentioned that Blu-ray is being adopted much faster than DVD in its period, 11 years ago. The statement came after the company received orders for producing 21 Blu-ray dual-layer machines only during this year's first quarter."This means that the orders for Blu-ray in the first year of the dual layer technology already by far exceeded the volume at the start of the DVD eleven years ago with 17 machines," commented Stefan Baustert, the Chief Financial Officer of Singulus Technologies. And lets see .... what other things have been 'adopted faster' over the same period...... Laptops for one. Personal Computers another. and really - when you think completely LOGICAL ......... a DVD player, a Blu-ray player and a Laptop and a Personal Computer are very very much the same technologies !!! The statement above of far exceeding volume could be applied also to the humble CD as well. Are there actually ANY readers of this forum whom remembers purchasing 12in albums ? I can recall the take up for CDs was quite quick - because the alternative was so much better and clearer. I'm wondering if the markeplace for Blu-ray discs is even aware of this alternative - or even bothers with a further alternative ? I'm now wondering WHAT these extra machines are going to actually produce ?? 1000 more copies of poorly featured, region coded Fox titles. Yep - we need more COMMANDO and ROBOCOP Blu-rays.
tonyjg Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 I worked in Telecoms during the big push for 3G that stalled on the runway. People in Europe convinced themselves it was all about to happen and spent billions and hired hundreds of thousands. what ever happened to WAP on mobile phones ??? It's like being 'convinced' to WATCH TV on your mobile. Or download another ringtone. Sooner (and hopefully earlier) the marketplace gets over the initial interest and sees it for what it really is - either a waste of money or something worth the few $$ spent on it.
pgdownload Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 BluRay is evolutionary, not revolutionary (like DVD was). I would fully anticipate it being taken up more rapidly this time around. But for that matter I'm not sure if 21 far exceeds 17. I also don't think players is a good measure of Bluray uptake. Seems to me they are constantly pushing BR uphill as the pundits just aren't convinced its all that necessary. It will ultimately succeed of course but mostly due to industry brute force rather than any overwhelming desire to own from most of the population. Regards Peter Gillespie
SDL Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 Just reading on Amazon (don't have the basis of the numbers but if true puts this in to perspective) that in year 2 DVD sold 129M discs, in the same period Blu-Ray sold 11M discs. If its true this would mean Blu-Ray has a long way to go to match DVD, and a long fight to overtake DVD.
The_Preacher1973 Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 The uptake of replicating units is a very bad way to compare the success of the two formats. BD has a very low yield in comparison with DVD so those 17 DVD replicators could have been producing a far higher number of discs than the 21 BD lines.
ajm1503559545 Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 The uptake of replicating units is a very bad way to compare the success of the two formats. BD has a very low yield in comparison with DVD so those 17 DVD replicators could have been producing a far higher number of discs than the 21 BD lines. Lies, damn lies and statistics. It's not the first time spurious data has been used to prop up the story of victory in our time. I hope people are smart enough to read these things for what they are.
Guest Torylane Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 "I hope people are smart enough to read these things for what they are." that would be you then ajm but come on why do we keep having these threads BD is going fine, it will in time be the new DVD, new players are coming soon Just be a BIT patient ! CM, ajm, and friends, save this post if you like, because i will bet my fab breasts that it wil come true
pgdownload Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 BD is going fine, it will in time be the new DVD, new players are coming soon Just be a BIT patientMust agree. BR is now just any old business trying to spruke up its wares. It won the 'war'. Its eventual ubiquitousy is ensured, they're just trying to maximise sales till then.Regards Peter Gillespie
Tweet Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 CM, ajm, and friends, save this post if you like, because i will bet my fab breasts that it wil come true Well, I guess it's going to be ' Tough Titties' for all then if that is the case. C.M
ajm1503559545 Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 Its eventual ubiquitousy is ensured ..... mmmm, not so sure about ubiquitous. In fact, not totally sold on it crawling out of the enthusiast market at any stage. I think the entry requirements are just too high to get people interested. @Torylane - trash.
SDL Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 We have really sunk to new lows when we start talking about flabby parts of peoples anatomy. Come on, Tory keep it about the technology and issues, this isn't friendster.
AGP Posted June 12, 2008 Posted June 12, 2008 (edited) mmmm, not so sure about ubiquitous. In fact, not totally sold on it crawling out of the enthusiast market at any stage. I think the entry requirements are just too high to get people interested.@Torylane - trash. I concur here in Oman the increase in price has stalled sales of Blu Ray discs. The sales drone I spoke to mentioned that they are reducing stock for the lack of demand well hello you just made Blu Ray 4 times the price of dvd by bumping the price up so much We could end up with another SACD scenario. Edited June 12, 2008 by AGP
kopthat Posted June 12, 2008 Posted June 12, 2008 I just hope blu ray takes off before I get saggy balls
ajm1503559545 Posted June 12, 2008 Posted June 12, 2008 The latest K-mart catalogue is a sage reminder of what Blu-ray is up against. The two stores closest to us have just started to stock Blu-ray but in the latest catalogue they're not mentioned once. Instead it is filled with page after page of DVD's - most of them under $10 and most of them are decent titles. That's quite a mountain for Blu-ray to conquer.
Jimbo Jones Posted June 24, 2008 Posted June 24, 2008 We could end up with another SACD scenario. This observation is the whole story here. Most cogent.
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