tonymy01 Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 I will echo my post that I posted on another forum: Well FU Ten. While I am a motor sport fan (inc MotoGP), I am more a fan of HD, and having Supernatural on SD and MotoGP on HD doesn't make me happy at all. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. HD is really worth watching, but when they screw it over like this it makes a mockery of it all.. This is a stunt normally Nein pulls, but Ten with your "HD and 5.1" dodgy advertising now you dogu a-holes are sinking to Nein lows. Thanks Ten, thanks a million. It is no wonder people resort to torrent these days.. I have been watching TenHD shows all week and they have been advertising Supernatural, ICETV thinks it is on in HD... but Ten of course decides rather than put the return of a new series on in HD they would show dodgy poor quality analogue upconvert MotoGP on the HD channel instead.. thanks! Thanks!!
Priory Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 I will echo my post that I posted on another forum:Well FU Ten. While I am a motor sport fan (inc MotoGP), I am more a fan of HD, and having Supernatural on SD and MotoGP on HD doesn't make me happy at all. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. HD is really worth watching, but when they screw it over like this it makes a mockery of it all.. This is a stunt normally Nein pulls, but Ten with your "HD and 5.1" dodgy advertising now you dogu a-holes are sinking to Nein lows. Thanks Ten, thanks a million. It is no wonder people resort to torrent these days.. I have been watching TenHD shows all week and they have been advertising Supernatural, ICETV thinks it is on in HD... but Ten of course decides rather than put the return of a new series on in HD they would show dodgy poor quality analogue upconvert MotoGP on the HD channel instead.. thanks! Thanks!! At least you get the MotoGP in HD, here in Canberra we get squat
LBM Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Just another step downwards for digital TV in Australia. What I question however is why F1 couldn't be live due to being committed to that Dance show yet somehow they take that off HD for Cricket and now a new series (that was advertised all week as being HD) returns and is SD only while another SD show is on the HD channel. The only possible reason for watching FTA is HD these days and not even that is given. Thankfully I got to see the show weeks back already AND in better quality than a national TV station.
bindi Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 yes it is a real shame. at a couple of points in time the supernatural fans expressed worry that supernatural would be shifted to HD only and they would miss out on it because of this. now what has actually happened is the total opposite. and some people who didn't understand what was going on have tuned into 10HD and missed it coz they didn't realise what was happening and that they had to switch over to channel 10 not 1. glad i wasn't in that boat and knew ahead of time that 10 would be pulling this stunt.
Saxon Hall Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 I sympathise with you all but there is a big but! 10HD showed the MotoGP live at 10pm which meant I got to watch it with my young son without having to wait until some godawful hour. There was only 1 ad break and the coverage was in widescreen. It is a rerun of the IPL V AFL debate. They will never be able to please everyone! Hopefully in the new year there will be more flexibility in the multichannelling rules and with a bit of luck these issues will become irrelevant!
Neon Kitten Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Well I hope they stop this silliness come July 6th. I have been looking forward to "Dexter" in HD (the show will take Supernatural's timeslot). I must say the MotoGP caught me and my family, whose house I was at, by surprise. It was not listed in printed guides.
cwt Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 What a pleasure it was to timer record the 10 hd epg and discover the correctly titled 'supernatural' file was not in fact 'supernatural'
DrP Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 At least you get the MotoGP in HD, here in Canberra we get squat Rubbish! SC10 thoughtfully provides endless hour upon hour of high quality demo loops instead of all that boring programming. Incidentally, for all the shows that have run on 10HD to date, don't expect to ever see them on SC10 HD unless 10 runs them again. In otherwords, your only option to see them may well be channel BT. Well done SC10, well done.
tonymy01 Posted June 8, 2008 Author Posted June 8, 2008 I have calmed down a bit now... :-) Ok, Motogp wasn't a dodgy upconvert, but still, I got my HD setup less than a year ago, and I must say that of all the HD shows, Supernatural certainly looked quite impressive (almost the best HD I have seen for a 45min weekly show), so it is a real blow not to be getting it in HD. Why they can't simply wack the HD version of it on in a completely different timeslot or day or something remains a bit of a mystery though, surely they have the HD version of it there? The other thread about multichanneling and the ditching of the Xhours per week HD quota has me a little worried, HD really is worth it, I would hate to see it dissapear! I mean, in 5 years time, I would say that a significant number of households will be capable of watching HD, and it seems that we are taking backwards steps here at the moment? Regards
fredofrog Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Great job Ten Holdings. Totally disagree with the whingers about showing Motogp live since it was a worthy alternative to those who have no interest in the suite of scifi shows that occupy the HD slot during the weeknights. This was a live broadcast in late prime time so the HD channel was perfect. Supernatural fans, get over it. Ask Ten to broadcast it 8.30pm or on any other of the 6 nights available. Live sports don't have that option. Suggestion (to Ten mgt) for the motogp coverage is that show in full or at least extended highlights (not a 3 minute wrap but about 60-80% of the race) of the 125cc after the main race and the 250cc last. For donkey years this class has been the best racing and gets shafted down at the end of the telecast and this year bugger all highlights. The 250cc for years (except 2005 with Stoner and Pedrosa) is a strung out series not as good as 125cc (IMHO). For all you motogp fans out there that want reasonable broadcast times just remember the Donnington round is in two weeks and if you want it shown at 10pm and not midnight then let Ten know otherwise we're stuck with ho hum US scifi or forgetable hollywood flicks. Still cannot believe that I got to see the race and WB v Stk in one go.
Priory Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Rubbish! SC10 thoughtfully provides endless hour upon hour of high quality demo loops instead of all that boring programming. Incidentally, for all the shows that have run on 10HD to date, don't expect to ever see them on SC10 HD unless 10 runs them again. In otherwords, your only option to see them may well be channel BT. Well done SC10, well done. Oh yeah that's right, I forgot about those, great viewing
sdixon Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) A message to all the channels. I have not watched TV for the last 3 weeks. Nothing worth watching out here in the regional areas. Starting to look at alternatives like Internet TV and channel BT. Maybe we should start pushing this message back to the broadcasters or soon they will not have an audience if they keep this rubbish up! Edited June 9, 2008 by sdixon
Cody Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 What a pleasure it was to timer record the 10 hd epg and discover the correctly titled 'supernatural' file was not in fact 'supernatural' bugger i would have been caught out by that as well, but decided to watch it and so was able to quickly switch to ten sd. not happy ten!
sydney2218 Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 A message to all the channels. I have not watched TV for the last 3 weeks. Nothing worth watching out here in the regional areas.Starting to look at alternatives like Internet TV and channel BT. Maybe we should start pushing this message back to the broadcasters or soon they will not have an audience if they keep this rubbish up! I think the reason the HD LCNs have not been set up in Regional areas is that from 2009 all commercial FTA networks will do 2 SD LCNs nationwide to "service" their Freeview style STB/TIVO .2program streams to increase ads/revenue & if the rating coy agrees add the ratings together. HD has never been in play , just a way to get 2 streams going .PQ is not an issue in getting better ratings.300,000 Foxtel viewers are watching a poor PQ without complaint ! I think you will see say on 9A[91] the local football & 9B[92] a movie, as an example on friday nights.The only real HD maybe on the ABC & say something like the Melbourne Cup horse race.
FeOe_Vidz Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Just had a look on YourTV for next Sunday and seems everything after 6.30 is simulcast, so Supernatural will be in HD (assuming they don't change between now and then, and the guide is correct).
bindi Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Just had a look on YourTV for next Sunday and seems everything after 6.30 is simulcast, so Supernatural will be in HD (assuming they don't change between now and then, and the guide is correct). awesome, i checked my EPG and it agrees that next week supernatural is on 10HD too, there mustn't be any motogp races next week. let's hope it doesn't change between now and then.
cwt Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 bugger i would have been caught out by that as well, but decided to watch it and so was able to quickly switch to ten sd. not happy ten! I should have had an idea D.G. ; Its not the first time sc ten up here have done it No excuse though.. The sooner they spend the bucks to upgrade there re-broadcast facilities for HD the sooner they care possibly
Thudd1503560234 Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 I nearly got caught with the same thing last night. Switched on to watch Boston Legal, and get... Brubaker. While a fine movie in it's own right, BL had been advertised all week on the HD channel. So we have a 1980 movie on HD, and Boston Legal, filmed in HD, on SD (and looking terrible, I might add).
fredofrog Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 I nearly got caught with the same thing last night. Switched on to watch Boston Legal, and get... Brubaker. While a fine movie in it's own right, BL had been advertised all week on the HD channel. So we have a 1980 movie on HD, and Boston Legal, filmed in HD, on SD (and looking terrible, I might add). I think Brubaker was in yourtv's guide for a number of days prior to broadcast and my EPG had it there since last week. If 7 advertise it wrongly well then I see your point.
DansDans Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 At least you get the MotoGP in HD, here in Canberra we get squat Actually thats not entirely true - if you were watching SC10HD after Rove finished you would have noticed it flipped back to the loop for a few seconds, and then began showing the Moto GP in HD on SC10HD - I thought it was odd that the TEN SPORT intro was running but I stuck with it to see what it looked like (having never seen HD sport being stuck here in Canberra) Although, thankfully (sarcasm) someone at SC10 noticed this - after about 3 minutes mind - and flicked us back to the HD loop. So essentially, we did get about 3 minutes of the Moto GP on SC10HD - and it looked mighty sharp.
Priory Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 Actually thats not entirely true - if you were watching SC10HD after Rove finished you would have noticed it flipped back to the loop for a few seconds, and then began showing the Moto GP in HD on SC10HD - I thought it was odd that the TEN SPORT intro was running but I stuck with it to see what it looked like (having never seen HD sport being stuck here in Canberra)Although, thankfully (sarcasm) someone at SC10 noticed this - after about 3 minutes mind - and flicked us back to the HD loop. So essentially, we did get about 3 minutes of the Moto GP on SC10HD - and it looked mighty sharp. That just rubs it in even more, there is no justifiable reason that they shouldn't show it, **** you SC10! :angry:
DansDans Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 That just rubs it in even more, there is no justifiable reason that they shouldn't show it, **** you SC10! :angry: Well on top of that I am sure someone mentioned there was only one commercial break shown.. so the whole issue of regionalised commercials is rubbish... create a package of generic commercials (like SBS do) and then broadcast it.
Neon Kitten Posted June 10, 2008 Posted June 10, 2008 I nearly got caught with the same thing last night. Switched on to watch Boston Legal, and get... Brubaker. While a fine movie in it's own right, BL had been advertised all week on the HD channel. So we have a 1980 movie on HD, and Boston Legal, filmed in HD, on SD (and looking terrible, I might add). Boston Legal ran in HD in Melbourne, followed by Brubaker. Strange they didn't do the same in Perth; must be the fault of whatever affiliate runs 7 there.
Scotto74 Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 The problem as I see it is not whether [insert programme name] takes priority over [insert other programme name] (I'm both a MotoGP & a Supernatural viewer); but rather the lack of any consistency in programming between the two channels. They can't chop & change between SD and HD and expect viewers to keep up. The issue really hurts DVR owners, as your only option is to constantly check (& double-check) that you're going to be recording the correct channel; or tell your DVR to record *any* channel (and then deal with duplicate recordings. I'm not sure about other DVR's, but as a Vista Media Center user I don't have an option to say "look for the show on any channel, but only record the SD version if there's not HD version available". The alternative of changing timeslots (eg. showing Supernatural at a different time or even a different day) is much less of an issue (unless of course your DVR is configured to only look for the show at a particular time/day). (Of course, the networks probably don't care if they're putting DVR owners off.....) In the last couple of weeks I've been caught out with F1 (was on SD while the cricket was on, now back to HD), House (the older episodes were sometime SD only, other times simulcast), and now Supernatural. The networks (particularly 7) are showing so much repeated content on their HD channels anyway, that it makes no sense not to show HD source material such as Supernatural on the HD channel, albeit in a different timeslot.
fredofrog Posted June 11, 2008 Posted June 11, 2008 HD content is usually low rating shows e.g. Motogp or good visual quality e.g. Supernatural. There are no offical ratings for HD at present so each network is filling a space until that happens . The SD channel is where most people watch whether they want to (i.e. no HD alternative e.g. SC10 or no HD content) or not (HDTV owners wanting their fav show in HD as it is produced but the network doesn't show it on a HD channel) Basically what I'd want is all HD content on a HD channel and the network can show it on SD at the same time, unless it's no good on SD (ratings wise) where they can put on whatever they like that's not HD content. FTA needs to push the HD STB or HD TV message further and faster. Other than for SC10 and some regional areas, it's ready to go. Fed Govt should also ban all new sales of SD STB's from January 2009 to "encourage" importers to go with the HD hardware. This would increase they HD take up making it a more viable option in a shorter space of time. Right now there is hardly a SD tuner fitted to a LCD/Plasma in the market so why the crappy SD boxes on sale when HD channels are marketed by networks and the panels can utilise them?
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