Damien Buckley Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I'm in the market for a new plasma and have been looking at the Pioneer PDP-LX508A as I've been told thats its pretty much the best there is. Someone on the What HiFi (UK) forums suggested I wait for the 509 as it a generation ahead and far superior. Having checked the UK Pioneer site I see it is already available there (just) but on contacting Pioneer Australia they suggested the earliest for Australia could be November - but this was only his suggestion based on 'traditional' previous releases. My point is this - why so far behind? Its really not good enough - at the end of the day, we're WAY closer to Japan than Europe. This goes the same for Sony who are currently rolling out 4000 series LCD's in the UK with Australia stuck on 3100 models. Based on the fact that Panasonic have been smart enough to introduce their DMR-500W BluRay recorder here first (behind Japan of course), there's clearly no logistical issue - merely a matter of will rather than ability. Come on Pioneer, not good enough - Olympics coming up incase you haven't noticed.
pgdownload Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 There's no longer and 'far superior' models. You'll get incremental improvements, price reductions and maybe an extra HDMI port thrown in. At the end of the day there are only so many screens available to send around the world and each new model has a huge logistical load - advertising, marketing, distribution, repairs, training, education, etc. Its muh easier for an organisation to penetrate big markets like Euro and US where the return for getting the TVs in store is 'easy money'. Later on they'll try make some extra bucks selling in small areas like Oz. Regards Peter Gillespie
jayweb Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 (edited) I'm in the market for a new plasma and have been looking at the Pioneer PDP-LX508A as I've been told thats its pretty much the best there is. Someone on the What HiFi (UK) forums suggested I wait for the 509 as it a generation ahead and far superior. Having checked the UK Pioneer site I see it is already available there (just) but on contacting Pioneer Australia they suggested the earliest for Australia could be November - but this was only his suggestion based on 'traditional' previous releases.My point is this - why so far behind? Its really not good enough - at the end of the day, we're WAY closer to Japan than Europe. This goes the same for Sony who are currently rolling out 4000 series LCD's in the UK with Australia stuck on 3100 models. Based on the fact that Panasonic have been smart enough to introduce their DMR-500W BluRay recorder here first (behind Japan of course), there's clearly no logistical issue - merely a matter of will rather than ability. Come on Pioneer, not good enough - Olympics coming up incase you haven't noticed. As much as we like to think of ourselves as a valuable market, we aren't. In the scheme of things, it makes good business sense to get your products out to the biggest markets first. While Australia is big on early adoption, we don't see a lot of technology because it gets filtered out through small sales in other markets. Be thankful, in most instances, we get quality and not quantity. :edit: What Pete said is right, should have paid more attention to his post prior to my reply Edited June 5, 2008 by jayweb
ford Posted June 5, 2008 Posted June 5, 2008 I'm in the market for a new plasma and have been looking at the Pioneer PDP-LX508A as I've been told thats its pretty much the best there is. Someone on the What HiFi (UK) forums suggested I wait for the 509 as it a generation ahead and far superior. Having checked the UK Pioneer site I see it is already available there (just) but on contacting Pioneer Australia they suggested the earliest for Australia could be November - but this was only his suggestion based on 'traditional' previous releases.My point is this - why so far behind? Its really not good enough - at the end of the day, we're WAY closer to Japan than Europe. This goes the same for Sony who are currently rolling out 4000 series LCD's in the UK with Australia stuck on 3100 models. Based on the fact that Panasonic have been smart enough to introduce their DMR-500W BluRay recorder here first (behind Japan of course), there's clearly no logistical issue - merely a matter of will rather than ability. Come on Pioneer, not good enough - Olympics coming up incase you haven't noticed. Big Country. Big Asperations. Small population. HDrocks:
Damien Buckley Posted June 6, 2008 Author Posted June 6, 2008 Big Country.Big Asperations. Small population. HDrocks: All good explanations and I agree with most - the thing is however, I used to work for a German company bringing flooring into Australia and my experience of whether or not we got the new products first and / or at the same time depended heavily on how much we wanted them - so seems to me Pioneer Oz perhaps need to a tad more proactive in getting themselves in the line.
Blackman1503561291 Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 All good explanations and I agree with most - the thing is however, I used to work for a German company bringing flooring into Australia and my experience of whether or not we got the new products first and / or at the same time depended heavily on how much we wanted them - so seems to me Pioneer Oz perhaps need to a tad more proactive in getting themselves in the line. We are the dumping ground of the world
mantronic Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 We also need our own models with 100hz not 120 hz and our own type of digital tuners (i think) so its not just a metter of sending a shipment our way.
myrantz Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 We also need our own models with 100hz not 120 hz and our own type of digital tuners (i think) so its not just a metter of sending a shipment our way. Isn't UK 50hz?
Guest EZYHD Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 A guy in the know told me once that OZ, NZ and South Africa are at the end of the queue when it comes to new model consumer electronics.
cabernet Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 We are in the Southern Hemisphere. So we will be the 1st in the Southern Hemisphere to get it. Cabernet
tuckerm Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 We are in the Southern Hemisphere. So we will be the 1st in the Southern Hemisphere to get it. Cabernet Umm ... Brasil?! Almost 200,000,000 population there. I think they'd be more likely to receive tech prior to us.
Damien Buckley Posted June 6, 2008 Author Posted June 6, 2008 We also need our own models with 100hz not 120 hz and our own type of digital tuners (i think) so its not just a metter of sending a shipment our way. Nope, same as the UK here PAL50 - except for sound on analogue. Australia also uses DVB-T - the European digital tv standard, so exactly the same.
Blackman1503561291 Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 A guy in the know told me once that OZ, NZ and South Africa are at the end of the queue when it comes to new model consumer electronics. 100% correct. My retired LG QA friend also told me the same years ago
xtractdigit Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 All good explanations and I agree with most - the thing is however, I used to work for a German company bringing flooring into Australia and my experience of whether or not we got the new products first and / or at the same time depended heavily on how much we wanted them - so seems to me Pioneer Oz perhaps need to a tad more proactive in getting themselves in the line. What did Sienfeld say (asshole of the world) blah. The tokyo market is bigger than ours. I was told by a guy from hitachi that they sell 10 times more washing machines p.a. in tokyo than aus. Majority of peeps are adults.
pistolpoida Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 australia is too small of a market, we require a specialised dvb-t tuner, we are pretty isolated comered to the UK which has also got Eruope and US which has got Canada and Sth American, we only got NZ se Asia and the pafici islands, been so small and isolated affects our prices too
Glider Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 australia is too small of a market, we require a specialised dvb-t tuner, we are pretty isolated comered to the UK which has also got Eruope and US which has got Canada and Sth American, we only got NZ se Asia and the pafici islands, been so small and isolated affects our prices too Europe is the number one export market for Pioneer plasma tv sets, so they get the new models first. No doubt they are going to get their new LCD tv sets before us as well! Australia is a small secondary market and we have to wait for products that are in limited supply. Frequently we don't get the complete range of new products, just a selection. Old models ared dumped here by major manufacturers as they are repalaced in the sales channels with the latest models in markets, like Europe.
simopimo Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 Big Country.Big Asperations. Small population. HDrocks: Anyone remember the Oz Brothers on D-Generation/Late Show? Back in the dying days of the early 90's recession: "This country's STUFFED! Yeah, it's STUFFED!..." "Best place in the world, but"
BribieG Posted June 6, 2008 Posted June 6, 2008 As an official whingeing pom, it's always been the same. I arrived here in the mid 70s and couldn't believe that nobody seemed to have a colour TV, that people still drove around on retread tyres, that there were no hypermarkets and that Heineken wasn't available from them even if they existed. I visited the rellies in the UK in the early 80s and on my return I announced in amazement that in the UK you could now buy a CARD to stick in the public phone, and after the card had been used up it wouldn't work any more and you would have to get a new one. Utter disbelief and innuendos that I was lying. How could a bloody card remember anything? They'll have computers in Pommy schools next? Yeah right where are they going to fit them. At least when the technology does arrive it's usually had the bugs ironed out of it. There's an urban myth that could be true, that in the 70s thousands of people trained to be TV repairmen based on the UK experience with colour TV that was unreliable when introduced there in the late 60s. People were going to make a killing, but the thousands of Rank Arenas still out there proved them wrong. On the other hand, there is the Australian tendency to reinvent the bloody wheel wherever possible, a good example being roundabouts (used in UK and Canada since WW2 but few drivers here have ever learned to navigate them properly) and of course the Richard Alston Helen Coonan mess that is digital TV. Interesting times and at least we finally got Heineken.
Owen Posted June 7, 2008 Posted June 7, 2008 Good things come to those who wait. If you don’t want to wait import what you want.
Owen Posted June 7, 2008 Posted June 7, 2008 Good things come to those who wait. If you don’t want to wait import what you want.
cabernet Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 Umm ... Brasil?! Almost 200,000,000 population there. I think they'd be more likely to receive tech prior to us. Just check www.pioneer.com.br and Pioneer Brazil don't sell TVs or Plasmas. So DownUnder is going to have the honour of being the 1st in the Southern Hemisphere to have Pioneer's 9th Gen Plasmas. Cabernet
houng Posted June 8, 2008 Posted June 8, 2008 (edited) Umm ... Brasil?! Almost 200,000,000 population there. I think they'd be more likely to receive tech prior to us. Not necessarily - Brazil and Australia arr much closer with GDP figures - I doubt if the number of Plasmas sold in Brazil is much higher than Aus. Edited June 8, 2008 by houng
.thumb.jpg.715df860f0e926e5e3c38f4654bf1ab2.jpg){kind=logo}
Recommended Posts