nafem Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Im after a 10mtr HDMI cable, i want the best. not near the best. i understand they varry in price alot, so does anyone know teh best quallity HDMI cables around? if so let me know as i wish to grab one pretty soon for my new TW2000. Cheers Nathan
Volunteer Kazz Posted May 28, 2008 Volunteer Posted May 28, 2008 Im after a 10mtr HDMI cable, i want the best. not near the best.i understand they varry in price alot, so does anyone know teh best quallity HDMI cables around? if so let me know as i wish to grab one pretty soon for my new TW2000. Cheers Nathan I use a 10m HDMI cable from forum member Foxtail, see the link in my sig, for my BenQ W10000 and it's brilliant.
Chesty Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 I run a 10m Kordz EvolutionS for my TW2000 and its fantastic. Its not cheap but its a good option. Of course as Kazz says there is always Foxtails cables.
pgdownload Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 It sounds like its not relevant here, but getting 'the best' HDMI cable is just wasting $$$. As you're over 5m in length then a standard <$100 cable is probably not an option. However the cost v PQ ratio goes something like this: $50 => Sparkles a definite possibility $100 => Might have some sparkles (but probably not) $150 => (PQ = 100%) $250 => (PQ = 100%) $500 => (PQ = 100%) $1000 => (PQ = 100%) etc. The actual $ amounts are debatable but the point is that there's no such thing in practical terms as a 'best' HDMI cable. They all work exactly equally as well after a certain price point. Unlike with analogue cables, better materials, solder, thicker cables, etc. make no difference to the PQ on a HDMI cable. This hasn't stopped marketing departments trying anyway they can to get you to spend additional money. Take a look at the packaging blurb on any HDMI pack and you'll note that it claims great PQ (as all provide) and then lists all sorts of 'features' (like platinum connections, etc.) that are intended to make you think this actually affects the PQ. There is never any claim that this HDMI cable will provide x% better PQ than any other HDMI cable. This is because that would be simple false advertising. Anyway, all I'm saying is 'the best' HDMI cable is actually the cheapest one that can do the job over 10m and that will certainly be priced easily under $200. Regards Peter Gillespie
nafem Posted May 28, 2008 Author Posted May 28, 2008 so what one should i buy? foxtail or kazz i brought a ebay cheap cable HDMI > DVI and i get lots of snow like interfirence, its not realy bad but u can see it if you look close. and i really dont want that happening, i want it 100% clear for this hdmi to hdmi. cheers guys
Volunteer Kazz Posted May 28, 2008 Volunteer Posted May 28, 2008 so what one should i buy? foxtail or kazzi brought a ebay cheap cable HDMI > DVI and i get lots of snow like interfirence, its not realy bad but u can see it if you look close. and i really dont want that happening, i want it 100% clear for this hdmi to hdmi. cheers guys I'm running 1080p/24 through Foxy's cable with no sparkles or any other problems, I have tested this cable against the 10m DSE cable I used to have in my system and found the picture to be noticeably better. I know that pgdownload is going to tell you that this is crap and what I saw is in my head but I know what I and others saw. I wouldn't change Foxy's cable for any other even some of the more expensive cables, it's very reasonably priced as well.
Jliang70 Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 Im after a 10mtr HDMI cable, i want the best. not near the best.i understand they varry in price alot, so does anyone know teh best quallity HDMI cables around? if so let me know as i wish to grab one pretty soon for my new TW2000. Cheers Nathan You get can a couple of hundred or even thousands of answer for question such as what is the best HDMI cables. I know you can spend $600 for a 10meter Kimber HDMI cables or $7xx for Kordz master series HDMI but I don't think there is value in spending that much on a cable I would rather spend them on source such as BR player or upscale DVD player. I recommend Foxy's HDMI cable. They are cheap but they are reliable and performed as well as the more expensive cables.
pgdownload Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 i brought a ebay cheap cable HDMI > DVI and i get lots of snow like interfirence, its not realy bad but u can see it if you look close. and i really dont want that happening, i want it 100% clear for this hdmi to hdmi.The snow like interference is (called sparklies) is due to the length of the cable. Digital information fails to reach the other end and so pixels flash a random/corrupted colour. Under 5m any decent DSE HDMI cable <$100 is fine. But over that length its generally recommended to pay a bit more. Note that sparkies are due to the digital information (01001000101) not reaching the cable end properly. What Kazz is referring to is when sparkies are not an issue that its possible to have a HDMI cable that give a better (ie more vivid, well defined, colourful) image. The nature of HDMI ensures that this is not possible, a 1 is a 1 is a 1 and if that 1 gets through to the other end of the cable then it won't be mistaken for a 0.97 (as is the case in analogue transmission). Anyway, there's a million posts on cable debates and if you have the cash and inclination then spending $$$ on HDMI is up to the individual. I tend to think that this (all HDMI is created equal) should be the starting approach in getting HDMI cables and if you can convince yourself that some cable is better or worse than another then you'd be silly not to buy the 'better' one. As for recommendations, Foxtail is a popular forum retailer (although no idea of his charges). Kordz is also seen to be a good cable for a reasonable price. Regards Peter Gillespie
dvduser Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 +1 Foxtail - great service, quick delivery, reasonable prices AND Great Quality Cables
Aspect Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 I know the Kordz cables are fully HDMI approved, full 1080p compatible etc. David (the guy who owns Kordz) is also a CEDIA certified Instructor, specialising in HDMI, so he knows his stuff and puts that knowledge into his products. All my connectors are Kordz. Cheers, Chris
nafem Posted May 28, 2008 Author Posted May 28, 2008 well my hdmi >dvi cable from ebay was $15 and 1.5m and i got sparkles get what u pay for thats why i ask this question. im going to buy from foxtail and support a member, as it has had nothing but good reviews from you guys. thanks guys appreciated, time to contact him and get my cable.
Volunteer Kazz Posted May 28, 2008 Volunteer Posted May 28, 2008 well my hdmi >dvi cable from ebay was $15 and 1.5m and i got sparkles get what u pay for thats why i ask this question. im going to buy from foxtail and support a member, as it has had nothing but good reviews from you guys. thanks guys appreciated, time to contact him and get my cable. You won't be disappointed.
pgdownload Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 At $15 your talking 'ultra cheap' and yes as you say doesn't matter what it is if you go ultra cheap you're rolling the dice. I suspect you'll have no such issues with Foxtail - happy viewing. Regards Peter Gillespie
Volunteer Kazz Posted May 28, 2008 Volunteer Posted May 28, 2008 you'll have no such issues with Foxtail - happy viewing. At least on that we can agree.
mad89 Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 +1 Foxtail - great service, quick delivery, reasonable prices AND Great Quality Cables x2 IMHO
Jack2 Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 I got a kordz HDMI cable which was one of the first in the country can this cable do 1080P/24 , the cable is 8m long
dvduser Posted May 28, 2008 Posted May 28, 2008 well my hdmi >dvi cable from ebay was $15 and 1.5m and i got sparkles get what u pay for thats why i ask this question. im going to buy from foxtail and support a member, as it has had nothing but good reviews from you guys. thanks guys appreciated, time to contact him and get my cable. From the HD PVR I use a DVI-HDMI adapter together with a 1.5mtr HDMI cable and they work great - no problems, sparkles etc.
Jeffie1503561482 Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 is it harder for a cable to do 1080p24 than 50 or 60, or are you guys just saying that the cables can do it as well? i would assume its more taxing to do 60fps than 24?
vadimz1503559506 Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I've got 3m HDMI->DVI $12 from MSY http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf to use with 1080P LCD with absolutely no problems. Certainly wouldn't use their 10m cables. I've also got DSE 10m DVI-HDMI for $70 to use with my 720P Projector with no problems. I suspect this cable wouldn't work with 1080P PJ, but will see when upgrade. So my thinking is: 0-3m go with MSY 3-8m go with DSE (or up to 10m if not 1080P) 8+ go with Foxy or Kordz (no personal experience with these but seem to be highly recommended)
gbickle1503560852 Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I've got 3m HDMI->DVI $12 from MSY http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf to use with 1080P LCD with absolutely no problems. Certainly wouldn't use their 10m cables.I've also got DSE 10m DVI-HDMI for $70 to use with my 720P Projector with no problems. I suspect this cable wouldn't work with 1080P PJ, but will see when upgrade. So my thinking is: 0-3m go with MSY 3-8m go with DSE (or up to 10m if not 1080P) 8+ go with Foxy or Kordz (no personal experience with these but seem to be highly recommended) I use a 10metre MSY $25 HDMI cable with a PS3 to a Sony VW40 1080p / 24fps .... and guess what.. Works perfectly. Tested with bluray movie outputting 1080p ... No issues
Volunteer Kazz Posted May 29, 2008 Volunteer Posted May 29, 2008 I use a 10metre MSY $25 HDMI cable with a PS3 to a Sony VW40 1080p / 24fps .... and guess what.. Works perfectly. Tested with bluray movie outputting 1080p ... No issues You've been lucky then as I've heard of plenty of people getting duds, with either sparkles or total dropouts, who have said they would never, ever touch the MSY cables again.
gbickle1503560852 Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 You've been lucky then as I've heard of plenty of people getting duds, with either sparkles or total dropouts, who have said they would never, ever touch the MSY cables again. Interesting... May also be something to do with Display Devices having some sort of amplification built into their HDMI inputs. I have heard the TW2000 does, and maybe the Sony VW40 does as well... This means that poor quality cables will still work fine on these devices , as well as long runs of 15metres no problem.
pgdownload Posted May 29, 2008 Posted May 29, 2008 I use a 10metre MSY $25 HDMI cable with a PS3 to a Sony VW40 1080p / 24fps .... and guess what.. Works perfectly. Tested with bluray movie outputting 1080p ... No issuesThe 5m "rule" is just a rough guide. There's nothing that says a cheap 10m cable won't work 100% at 10m+ in many instances. Its just that there starts to be an appreciable failure rate around this point (So instead of say a 1% chance of sparkies, its suddenly 10%, then 30% etc.) So paying a bit more past 5m might bring that 30% chance back to a more desirable say 5%.Note the numbers above are just indicative. Regards Peter Gillespie
angiep Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 (edited) Hi Has anyone used Gator HDMI cables and able to give some feedback on its quality. I am looking to buy a 10m HDMI cable which allows me to remove the outside protective cover on the ends so I can feed it thru a 15mm conduce in the wall. Apparently this cable allows me to do this. Cheers http://www.gatorcables.com.au/ Edited June 17, 2008 by angiep
Guest EZYHD Posted June 17, 2008 Posted June 17, 2008 Just thinkin, you could use a HDMI extender plug each end and use cat5 in between, not sure of price tho.
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