Game Steering Wheels Improving Lap Times?!?!

[butterfingers]

tosser post imo

your just a loser not worth any time if you where on fire in my opinion.

if thats what you really think, just shut up!!! u think we need to know your absolute every thought. what a gosse you are.... i am getting tired of people like you, seriously

[ddxsamx]

you wherer the one that said "EVERY SINGLE" not me.... dont try that rubbish on me here guy

i dont and wont buy any gran turismo game to date because i dont like them at all. i think its a dog of a game

Haha. Read your first sentence again.

i often hear the comment, or people asking if or stating that using a steering wheel in a driving/racing game, will improve your control of the onscreen vehicle, and/or make your lap times faster in a racing game........ MYTH!!!!!

OH, YOU MEANT F1 when you said driving/racing game ?!?!?!

it takes you half a second longer to turn the wheel from left to right Oh and i bet you have to tap tap tap tap your controller just to turn a corner?

98% of this thread thinks wheel > controller. Instead of asking for tips / recommendations on how to imrprove your lap times, you just put the blame on the wheel.

maybee real cars should be controlled with a ps3 style controller. i would try it. - dude. thats something a 12 year old would want to try.

[butterfingers]

Haha. Read your first sentence again.

i often hear the comment, or people asking if or stating that using a steering wheel in a driving/racing game, will improve your control of the onscreen vehicle, and/or make your lap times faster in a racing game........ MYTH!!!!!

OH, YOU MEANT F1 when you said driving/racing game ?!?!?!

it takes you half a second longer to turn the wheel from left to right Oh and i bet you have to tap tap tap tap your controller just to turn a corner?

98% of this thread thinks wheel > controller. Instead of asking for tips / recommendations on how to imrprove your lap times, you just put the blame on the wheel.

maybee real cars should be controlled with a ps3 style controller. i would try it. - dude. thats something a 12 year old would want to try.

98% of this thread is saying it without justification, by giving half assed and unexplained reasons why it is better. "cos it is", isnt a reason. i gave specific reasons why i thought it was not better to use a wheel. half these lamoe comments are just sniping when they could just shuddup really. i still havent had anyone offer to prove me wrong in a physical challenge online yet either.... same as most blabber mouths... all big talk, and smartass comments, and no action.

i don't really care what all you guys think about what i'm saying anyway. i am just trying to make the people who would like this type of information, be able to hear it, instead of just one eyed rants by owners in an attempt to justify their silly little purchase. i think they are a TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY if money is important to you.

[Trigg]

A survey of the top 50 drivers would give the best indication (if you are 50 that is) Survey those top 50 and see what they are using!

[ddxsamx]

So, what you're saying is..YOUR ONE EXPERIENCE is INFORMATION for people, however, owners of the wheel, are one eyed rants by owners in an attempt to justify their silly little purchase.

Your claim is that using a wheel is slower than using a controller. How does someone vsing you with a wheel and you using a controller justify this "myth"

Stop being so damn stubborn. Your experience is information, yet ours is just silly?

[ddxsamx]

Okay. my view.

1. I use g25

2. I get faster lap times using the g25, therefore a wheel beats a controller in "driving/racing games"

If you dont vs me in gt5p, me using wheel, you using controller, online, then #2 is true.

[butterfingers]

Okay. my view.

1. I use g25

2. I get faster lap times using the g25, therefore a wheel beats a controller in "driving/racing games"

If you dont vs me in gt5p, me using wheel, you using controller, online, then #2 is true.

it seems nobody at the has any constructive comments to make at the moment so i'm refraining from talking about it for now

Edited May 8, 2008 by butterfingers

[iainl]

How about this one; I've spoken to several people in the top 10 of the insanely more complex rFactor and GT:R laptimes, and all of them would laugh in your face at the suggestion that lock-to-lock times are more important than precise analogue controls.

Even on the 360's Project Gotham series, which is pretty arcadey, it's generally accepted that a wheel is worth around 4 seconds a lap. For Forza 2 (whose worldwide boards let you know whether the racer is a pad or wheel user) you don't stand a chance of breaking the top 50.

I repeat; F1 '06 is something of a unique case, because the vehicles are traction-controlled up to the eyeballs. For better games, wheel wins every time.

Edited May 8, 2008 by iainl

[butterfingers]

How about this one; I've spoken to several people in the top 10 of the insanely more complex rFactor and GT:R laptimes, and all of them would laugh in your face at the suggestion that lock-to-lock times are more important than precise analogue controls.

Even on the 360's Project Gotham series, which is pretty arcadey, it's generally accepted that a wheel is worth around 4 seconds a lap. For Forza 2 (whose worldwide boards let you know whether the racer is a pad or wheel user) you don't stand a chance of breaking the top 50.

I repeat; F1 '06 is something of a unique case, because the vehicles are traction-controlled up to the eyeballs. For better games, wheel wins every time.

i can't speak for any other games apart from the three i have listed if people would like to read what they are.

i drive in f1 with the tration control completely off, also with assisted braking off. i have the taste of this game and things like the toca series by codemasters. i am sure other people have completely opposite tastes and opinions of these games, but some would have the same game tastes as me also. all the games you have mentioned, i dont like. now, the point of me starting this thread in the first place is: i have ONLY heard about wheels from the pro angle before. never heard a thing about the bad points, or any downfalls it could have, apart from needing a 500 dollar cockpit. i bought these items and was left feeling like i had completely wasted my money. i have given it plenty of hours, dont worry about that one. i just think its not for someone who may have my tastes in racing games, and wish to point out the fact someone other than me might not be very happy with one after its home. i will never use it for any games i am serious about playing, and really want to be online competitive at. no matter what the game. as i said, it functions adequately with f1. there are no faults in how it operates.

what makes a game better anyway? people play what their tastes are, or nobody would buy the bad(technically) games...

seems that some people are better with the wheel. but it sure doesnt mean that some will far excell with a control pad as opposed to the wheel. different strokes for different folks perhaps?? i insist i will never be as good at any racing game i play with a wheel over a control pad. different for others.

[codysmum]

Butters man, if you can afford a cockpit an G25 surely you could afford GT5:P, At least hire it and give it a go. I promise you will change your mind. At the very least you get to try out the clutch and H shifter.

For me the G25 works wonders in F1:CE. I lap at about the same speed as a controller but i'm way more consistant. GT5:P on the other hand is the PS3 game that your wheel wants to play with. Professional physics, TC off, ABS off where appropriate ---> and the car is pretty much uncontrolable with the controller . Well at least you can't lap anywhere near as fast. I lap about a 2 seconds faster with the wheel and again way more consistantly for this game.

I guess it just not for everyone...

...and for the record yes Dirt sucks balls with the wheel. The physics engine is terrible in that game, CMR05 was so much better.

Oh yeah, Vegemite pwns Peanutbutter.

[butterfingers]

Butters man, if you can afford a cockpit an G25 surely you could afford GT5:P, At least hire it and give it a go. I promise you will change your mind. At the very least you get to try out the clutch and H shifter.

For me the G25 works wonders in F1:CE. I lap at about the same speed as a controller but i'm way more consistant. GT5:P on the other hand is the PS3 game that your wheel wants to play with. Professional physics, TC off, ABS off where appropriate ---> and the car is pretty much uncontrolable with the controller . Well at least you can't lap anywhere near as fast. I lap about a 2 seconds faster with the wheel and again way more consistantly for this game.

I guess it just not for everyone...

...and for the record yes Dirt sucks balls with the wheel. The physics engine is terrible in that game, CMR05 was so much better.

Oh yeah, Vegemite pwns Peanutbutter.

i might be able to "loan" a copy of gt5p i guess. i will be suprised if it changes my mind on it, but will see. i will even try it with the wheel, and then the ps3 controller second.

i am actually keen to try nascar when a decent version of it is made. i've enjoyed previous versions, but 07 and 08 dont look graphically advanced enough for me bother yet.

both vegemite and penut butter would suck on a g25

[DansDans]

it seems nobody at the has any constructive comments to make at the moment so i'm refraining from talking about it for now

That refrain lasted one post and less than 2 hours!

What I dont understand about your argument Butterfingers is that you tell everyone that the controller is better than a steering wheel for "driving/racing games" then retract the statement and clarify it by saying you meant F1 CE, then ask people for their opinions and trash their opinion when they vote for the wheel over the controller.

I dont understand - do you want a reasonable debate or do you want to force your opinion down everyones throat? I think you needed to be clearer from the start.

Also your spelling and grammar are terrible - which could be leading into the problems people are having with you. If we cant read your posts and understand what you are on about, dont go blaming us when you leave no choice but to interpret your posts differently then you intended.

Spending an extra minute to draft a well written and legible post would have saved so much confusion and fighting in this thread, and would have enabled people to understand your point of view better, and thus you would be able to understand what everyone else is on about

BTW - I dont like Peanut Butter or Vegetime - Nutella for me!

[xr06t]

while my expierence is not with the g25 or ps3, i have been using the MS wheel with racing sims on x360 since november last year.

i was able to BETTER my time trial times (in forza2) with the wheel on my lap, and have played through 70% of the cmr DiRT career on semi pro with the wheel. i could only expect better times if the wheel was properly secured. It took time to do mind you, but you do have to expect there to be some kind of learning curve.

i find it gives better control, as you never need to go lock to lock (even on nurburgring), infact it is uncommon for me to use more than 90 degrees movement either way (even in DiRT), and the ease of half-throttle application is a godsend for high power cars (im not a fan of playing with TC).

Sure you have to change the way you play the game and attach the apex's, and you cant just wind on full lock with the wheel as you can with the controller, but in the end i have found it to be more precise, and therefore faster.

I cant see it being that much different with the g25 and ps3 games

Using the wheel in arcade style games (eg Juiced2) was near on impossible for me.

OT here, but iainl, on the forza boards how do you tell if people use the wheel? is that what the little star next to their time indicates?

[butterfingers]

That refrain lasted one post and less than 2 hours!

What I dont understand about your argument Butterfingers is that you tell everyone that the controller is better than a steering wheel for "driving/racing games" then retract the statement and clarify it by saying you meant F1 CE, then ask people for their opinions and trash their opinion when they vote for the wheel over the controller.

I dont understand - do you want a reasonable debate or do you want to force your opinion down everyones throat? I think you needed to be clearer from the start.

Also your spelling and grammar are terrible - which could be leading into the problems people are having with you. If we cant read your posts and understand what you are on about, dont go blaming us when you leave no choice but to interpret your posts differently then you intended.

Spending an extra minute to draft a well written and legible post would have saved so much confusion and fighting in this thread, and would have enabled people to understand your point of view better, and thus you would be able to understand what everyone else is on about

BTW - I dont like Peanut Butter or Vegetime - Nutella for me!

i wrote something when someone had something constructive to say, unlike yourself just now. completely misrepresenting my point of the topic you smart bloke and then having a snipe about my grammer.

i dont care if other people think its all great. I DONT THINK IT. and have as much right to say so as anyone has to say otherwise, without idiots sniping and being snide. about two or three people besides me have made any sort of inteligent comment, so WTF exactly is your problem?

Edited May 9, 2008 by butterfingers

[Louie]

Butter - I think it was the fact you originally jumped on here and wrote along the lines of "I've done this and can't beat my lap times, so it is impossible" at least that is how I interpreted your first post (and the heading of the thread "myth busted") sort of means that because you cannot do it, nobody else can.

i dont care if other people think its all great. I DONT THINK IT. and have as much right to say so as anyone has to say otherwise,

This is what I'm saying, this is fine, you can say YOU don't like it, but to come on here and say that nobody else will be able to beat their laptimes (which my understanding of your first posts is what you have said) isn't right. Perhaps if this topic was started a different way (ie instead of stating it as fact, opening that you dislike it and why, and asking for other opinions) the thread would have taken a vastly different track.

Whilst I do agree somewhat that it is quicker to move the small joystick left to right (or vice versa), having the ability to be able to trim the throttle, brake, steering a lot finer to me would be better. Obviously the wheel will take a lot more getting used to, as 95% of games out use the controller over the steering wheel, but once you are used to it no doubt you can be just as good with it, as it doesn't take too long to go from full lock to full lock, especially if the wheel only has a 540 degree turning radius.

Note, I don't really play any racing games, and haven't used a wheel since GT3 and a wheel I bought many years ago, I didn't particularly like it, not for racing much, though more so because I didn't have a solid place apart from my knees to play it on. Wouldn't mind getting a wheel when GT5 comes out, but they are damn expensive for the good ones, and racing games don't really interest me too much either.

[ajm1503559545]

This is what happens when people confuse opinions for facts and get the idea that opinions, no matter how ill-conceived, ill-informed and illiogical, have a devine right to be expressed without being addressed.

Definitive and unqualified statements ....

i often hear the comment, or people asking if or stating that using a steering wheel in a driving/racing game, will improve your control of the onscreen vehicle, and/or make your lap times faster in a racing game........ MYTH!!!!!

i can assure everyone that using a ps3 standard controller gives far more precise responses, and much quicker reaction times. it is a physical impossibilty that a steering wheel could be better, unless you are one of those idiots that thinks that they can change gears as fast in a manual than an auto transmission could (in a real car). its bullcrap talk.

the ONLY place the steering wheel excells is in imersion. it does make you feel more like u are driving (with a good imagination i guess tongue.gif) . all of this benefit is far from worthwhile for the cost. also, kiss being any good at the game goodbye...

bold highlights added by me

.... based on the weakest of testing ("I can't do it therefore it cannot be done").

If you want a sensible debate BF, start with a sensible premise. This is just stupid kiddy ranting dressed as proof of something.

As much as you have the right to say stupid things the rest of us who are subjected to your stupid opinion have the right to express the opinion that your stupid opinion is stupid. Which it is. Stupid.

[DansDans]

i wrote something when someone had something constructive to say, unlike yourself just now. completely misrepresenting my point of the topic you smart bloke and then having a snipe about my grammer.

i dont care if other people think its all great. I DONT THINK IT. and have as much right to say so as anyone has to say otherwise, without idiots sniping and being snide. about two or three people besides me have made any sort of inteligent comment, so WTF exactly is your problem?

You know what, I wasnt insulting you - I was trying to help you. But you cant be helped. I didnt want to start an argument with you as I think your point was valid, it just needed to be expressed in a way that wasnt going to insult everyone - however now you have done the complete opposite.

So not only do you need to learn to spell and write, but you also need to learn how to read.

If you have as much a right to say whatever you want without being "sniped" and "without idiots being snide" then I (and everyone else in this thread) have as much right to say what we want without you being rude, unintelligable, "sniping", "snide" and ignorant.

It goes both ways, not just the Butterfingers way

[attilathepun]

Wow - so much angst over the merits of a computer driving wheel - I bet you all are a bunch of smooth peanut butter eaters...

[xtractdigit]

Dude back to the first post, if you cant change gear faster in a real manual than an auto you shouldnt be on the road.

[varvs]

Its a personal preference and any argument about one being better than the other is completely irrelevant.

Why does it matter how the fastest people play? the only thing that should matter is how YOU play and how YOU are comfortable. if you dont have the time to invest in practicing with the wheel, stick the controller. I couldnt be bothered learning to drive forza 2 with the wheel so I play it with a controller. Im not the fastest in the world, but its fun nonetheless. but if im playing DiRT, Ill bust the wheel out and sit there for hours wrestling with the wheel having a blast.

For me, the force feedback is important in dirt as it helps you control the drifting/sliding better. i dont find it as useful in forza as you rarely break traction. DiRT isnt as realistic, thats for sure, but I find it suits the wheel quite well.

Having a cockpit/playseat for the wheel does increase its usefulness by a large amount though. the force feedback is quite strong so you need a rigid frame to bolt the wheel to so the force is transmitted to the wheel and not into twisting the chassis of the wheel on your lap/desk.

Play it how you want to play it and focus on making it work for you.

[ImTheRhino]

ANOTHER MORON

how do you work out i only mentioned one game. wake up to yourself. i dont think you offer any worthwhile comment on this either, by the way

Wow such anger towards someone they don't even know.

Maybe he needs a big hug. Either that or a large jar of crunchy Peanut Butter LOLS

[dunnas]

Dude back to the first post, if you cant change gear faster in a real manual than an auto you shouldnt be on the road.

WTF? That's as stupid a statement as the original posters about wheels.

[Scorchie™]

This is no better than seeing 15 year olds in a playground having an argument.