butterfingers Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 i often hear the comment, or people asking if or stating that using a steering wheel in a driving/racing game, will improve your control of the onscreen vehicle, and/or make your lap times faster in a racing game........ MYTH!!!!! i can assure everyone that using a ps3 standard controller gives far more precise responses, and much quicker reaction times. it is a physical impossibilty that a steering wheel could be better, unless you are one of those idiots that thinks that they can change gears as fast in a manual than an auto transmission could (in a real car). its bullcrap talk. an example i have is using a wheel with f1. it near impossible to even get near my controller lap times even once. i know its not me, cos i was ranked under 50 of 17000 registered players on f1. that means i am pretty decent at it i would say. i find that in cmr DIRT the steering wheel is unusable. and thats no exaguration (or however its spelt (apolagies). its ok with burnout paradise, but controller is still better sorry guys and girls (performance wise) the ONLY place the steering wheel excells is in imersion. it does make you feel more like u are driving (with a good imagination i guess ) . all of this benefit is far from worthwhile for the cost. also, kiss being any good at the game goodbye... maybee real cars should be controlled with a ps3 style controller. i would try it.
yasitha Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 i know its not me, cos i was ranked under 50 of 17000 registered players on f1. that means i am pretty decent at it i would say. Congratulations. maybee real cars should be controlled with a ps3 style controller. i would try it. ...
butterfingers Posted May 7, 2008 Author Posted May 7, 2008 (edited) did i ask for congratulations, or was that what the topic was about???? Edited May 7, 2008 by butterfingers
pneu Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Steering wheel is way better, especially the G25 or DFP with a game that implements it well (gran turismo's, richard burns rally, enthusia, live for speed etc.) The racing games I play are just pathetic when played with a hand controller. And my lap times are no worse with the wheel.
butterfingers Posted May 7, 2008 Author Posted May 7, 2008 (edited) i'm using a g25 also. in a full cockpit also. u say its "way better". in what ways please?? so what you are telling me here is you can press pedals faster than you can press button (you must be one of few) and... you can turn the wheel full lock from one side to the other faster than you can press the stick from one side to the other? (this cant be right?!?!) i sure know i am far from being able to do either of those things. which is one of the main reason i say what i do... glad you said it though, cos its the classic example of what i am referring to with this topic. Edited May 7, 2008 by butterfingers
AVroom Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 (edited) post edited as you've now mentioned you've got a g25 and cockpit. More practice, buddy. Edited May 7, 2008 by AVroom
pneu Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 If you constantly need to go full lock to lock, then you are racing poorly. The fastest times involves smooth lines and controlled use of the throttle, brake, weight shift etc. The wheel provides the sensitivity to do this. Using the controller, you end up making constant suddent corrections, often mid corner, which would cause you to crash in a real situation (if they dont in the game, I would criticise the physics engine).
butterfingers Posted May 7, 2008 Author Posted May 7, 2008 post edited as you've now mentioned you've got a g25 and cockpit. More practice, buddy. in f1 its not a case of more practise. its a case of controller works more efficiently. its obvious enough to me i wont reach the same levels on f1 that i could with the hand controller.
butterfingers Posted May 7, 2008 Author Posted May 7, 2008 If you constantly need to go full lock to lock, then you are racing poorly. The fastest times involves smooth lines and controlled use of the throttle, brake, weight shift etc. The wheel provides the sensitivity to do this. Using the controller, you end up making constant suddent corrections, often mid corner, which would cause you to crash in a real situation (if they dont in the game, I would criticise the physics engine). check out nurburgring or monte carlo, silverstone or even san pualo all these tracks have full lock left to right side parts of the track. i think formula one drivers know the racing lines better than you do, and they all go lock to lock there. i disagree on the wheel providing the sensitivity to keep the car straight.... got f1? got internet? if yes its so easy to prove it to me. i would like to see that
JKramer Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 If you constantly need to go full lock to lock, then you are racing poorly. The fastest times involves smooth lines and controlled use of the throttle, brake, weight shift etc. The wheel provides the sensitivity to do this. Using the controller, you end up making constant suddent corrections, often mid corner, which would cause you to crash in a real situation (if they dont in the game, I would criticise the physics engine). That's right on. I bought a wheel exactly because you can't precisely hold wheel at 30% through the turn with controller. Or even operate throttle/brake with precision. There's also a great deal of easing the wheel in/out of turns. Perhaps original poster play some badly designed game. Try the most realistic simulator - GT5Prologue. You could beat only easiest levels with controller. Without the wheel that game is unplayable.
butterfingers Posted May 7, 2008 Author Posted May 7, 2008 i thought i had made it clear that i play f1... FORMULA ONE CE its a racing simulator as is gt5p . the wheel works fine with f1. no actual problems. i am just stating i think the controller gives best performance on that game at least. i couldn't commont on gran turismo, i wont be getting it cos i never have liked any of its previous versions. even as recently as gran turismo hd demo. that was pathetic to control by hand controller. maybee the formula one programmers just got it right with the responce with a standard game pad. gtp5 probably is near unplayable with a standard controller, i dont doubt that, but thats the main reason i never liked that game.
cowabungadude Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 i often hear the comment, or people asking if or stating that using a steering wheel in a driving/racing game, will improve your control of the onscreen vehicle, and/or make your lap times faster in a racing game........ MYTH!!!!!i can assure everyone that using a ps3 standard controller gives far more precise responses, and much quicker reaction times. it is a physical impossibilty that a steering wheel could be better, unless you are one of those idiots that thinks that they can change gears as fast in a manual than an auto transmission could (in a real car). its bullcrap talk. an example i have is using a wheel with f1. it near impossible to even get near my controller lap times even once. i know its not me, cos i was ranked under 50 of 17000 registered players on f1. that means i am pretty decent at it i would say. i find that in cmr DIRT the steering wheel is unusable. and thats no exaguration (or however its spelt (apolagies). its ok with burnout paradise, but controller is still better sorry guys and girls (performance wise) the ONLY place the steering wheel excells is in imersion. it does make you feel more like u are driving (with a good imagination i guess ) . all of this benefit is far from worthwhile for the cost. also, kiss being any good at the game goodbye... maybee real cars should be controlled with a ps3 style controller. i would try it. brag post imo
ajm1503559545 Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 I prefer smooth peanut butter to crunchy. I can spread it on the toast easier. Therefore it is now definitively proven beyond any doubt that smooth peanut butter is better than crunchy peanut butter. I use the premium bread and peanut butter so these are not factors. I am proficient at the spreading of smooth peanut butter as I have been using this for ages. I recently tried to switch to crunchy peanut butter but it's just not as easy to use. I won't keep trying because it's not about practise (or practice) it's about peanut butter. Anyone who disagrees is just wrong. Tested it and busted the myth.
davep Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Its about practise with the wheel. There is a thread a while ago about the 360 wireless wheel, with those (including myself) indicating their relative suckiness using it compared to the controller. Others who use it consistently wouldnt go back. AndrewW has both the 360 and ps3 wheels I think, so input from him may help.
attilathepun Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Anyone who disagrees is just wrong. Tested it and busted the myth. Gotta pay that I think the OP is severely limiting the strength of his argument by basing it on a single game, not to mention only his experience.
ImTheRhino Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 While I thank you for your opinion, basing it on one game is rather narrow minded as different games respond differently to different controls. While your G25 setup may not be the best system for you, it may work perfectly for others. I think it would be great to hear the opinion of the other 49 people better than you as to what controls they use. On a final note, crunchy peant butter ftw!
ImTheRhino Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 While I thank you for your opinion, basing it on one game is rather narrow minded as different games respond differently to different controls. While your G25 setup may not be the best system for you, it may work perfectly for others. I think it would be great to hear the opinion of the other 49 people better than you as to what controls they use. On a final note, crunchy peant butter ftw!
Jeffie1503561482 Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 That's right on. I bought a wheel exactly because you can't precisely hold wheel at 30% through the turn with controller. Or even operate throttle/brake with precision. There's also a great deal of easing the wheel in/out of turns. Perhaps original poster play some badly designed game. Try the most realistic simulator - GT5Prologue. You could beat only easiest levels with controller. Without the wheel that game is unplayable. agreed. its about the fine control. as much range as there is in the L2/R2 buttons and the analogue sticks, its just painful trying to get the exact amount of lock or braking/throttle that you need!
ArthurDent Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 Whilst we're discussing wheels, I'm currently using a Driving Force EX. In terms of control, it has more play than I'd like, any advantage in going up to the next model, the G25, ie. is it a more precise wheel?
varvs Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 agreed.its about the fine control. as much range as there is in the L2/R2 buttons and the analogue sticks, its just painful trying to get the exact amount of lock or braking/throttle that you need! doesnt lock mean that the steering is 100% left or right? I prefer a controller to a wheel, but I feel like I have achieved something better with the wheel. I dont use it in forza/turismo, but I love using it for DiRT.
darockk Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 i thought with the g25 you can go from say 6th gear to 2nd gear in an instant, instead of pressing a button 4 times. Obviously you dont use the stick for F1. surely the g25 is faster to change gears in this regard. F1 is a true SIM? i dont know if anyone here is qualified to make that judgement. Does anyone here have evidence of their lap times improving after using a steering wheel?
ajm1503559545 Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 That's always been my problem with gaming wheels Ken. They just seem to be too loose and indirect whereas the controllers are too twitchy to be comfortable. Mind you, for the amount of time I spend on racing games, a $250 wheel is massive overkill. And crunchy peanut butter is the nOObs sux.
Jeffie1503561482 Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 doesnt lock mean that the steering is 100% left or right? not really, the terms people use are like full lock and half a turn of lock...
ddxsamx Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 Your original posts states - "i often hear the comment, or people asking if or stating that using a steering wheel in a driving/racing game, will improve your control of the onscreen vehicle, and/or make your lap times faster in a racing game........ MYTH!!!!!" ie. EVERY SINGLE RACING GAME SUCKS WITH WHEEL? Yet later on you stress so deeply that you are playing F1 and you CANNOT comment on gt5p.. o_o Totally agree with #7 and #10. How do you vary brake/throttle properly with controller? It took me 2 weeks to get used to the wheel. Practice more and you'll understand.. +1 for crunchy peanut butter
attilathepun Posted May 8, 2008 Posted May 8, 2008 Crunchy peanut butter FTW! I will have plenty of time to have my food reduced to a paste when I am old - for now let me use my teeth at least a little bit.
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