Hydrology Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 See here:- http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=509723 particularly the bold in the first post. They are considering tying the individual disc to your specific player. Now I remember 6 months before the PS3 launched in the US, there was talk that games would be tied to the box that plyed them the first time, to destroy the rather lucrative secondhand market (esp for retailers). But the idea of tying individual discs? Waht happens if your machine cacks it? Are these the advanced features BR are talking about??? EDIT: I cant link the the original story, well, because the only link I have is this thread over on AVForums. EDIT #2: It also transpires that the original story has been changed a few times, so dont shoot the messenger!
AndrewW Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 some interesting points there. particularly regarding the rental market. wonder how BD is going to win the "war" if they can't rent out their discs ? Andrew.
Hydrology Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 some interesting points there.particularly regarding the rental market. wonder how BD is going to win the "war" if they can't rent out their discs ? Andrew. I guess the assumption is that if you limit choice you can win a war!
attilathepun Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 as stated by some in the thread - how does a ROM playing on a non-network connected player know that it has been played before?
AndrewW Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 as stated by some in the thread - how does a ROM playing on a non-network connected player know that it has been played before? Wizards ? Andrew. *Simpson's fans will get it.
Hydrology Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 as stated by some in the thread - how does a ROM playing on a non-network connected player know that it has been played before? Well I imagine the way it could work is the disc spins and copies over license keys to the unit, which in turn can be checked each time the user connects to the net (at least in the case of the PS3). Perhaps as a way round standalone BR players, manufacturers may be obliged on behalf of the movie studios to offer "regular FW updates" cough cough to keep the player up to date. The machine could be forced into not playing UNLESS you update. Either way, the fact that Sony chased down patents for this in 2005 suggests they are/serious about this.
davep Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 any update would require a database be downloaded to each player linking individual disks to individual players, so the player can check against it when a new disk is inserted... such a list would be monstrous in size?
aztec Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 *Simpson's fans will get it. Like "I haven't had so much fun giving you wood". Best line ever in The Simpsons.
Hydrology Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 any update would require a database be downloaded to each player linking individual disks to individual players, so the player can check against it when a new disk is inserted... such a list would be monstrous in size? All BR players are expected to have persistent storage by Oct 31 (128MB, 256MB?), maybe this is whats theyre gonna use it for! I would imagine despite the size of the database, the actual file size would be small.
attilathepun Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Well I imagine the way it could work is the disc spins and copies over license keys to the unit, which in turn can be checked each time the user connects to the net (at least in the case of the PS3). Perhaps as a way round standalone BR players, manufacturers may be obliged on behalf of the movie studios to offer "regular FW updates" cough cough to keep the player up to date. The machine could be forced into not playing UNLESS you update.Either way, the fact that Sony chased down patents for this in 2005 suggests they are/serious about this. Hence my reference to a non-networked player - it couldn't work. Correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't BD criticised for not requiring a network connection initially, but HDDVD did require it straight out of the box.
Hydrology Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 Hence my reference to a non-networked player - it couldn't work. Correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't BD criticised for not requiring a network connection initially, but HDDVD did require it straight out of the box. And hence my comment around non-networked players:- Perhaps as a way round standalone BR players, manufacturers may be obliged on behalf of the movie studios to offer "regular FW updates" cough cough to keep the player up to date. The machine could be forced into not playing UNLESS you update. This update for players without a network connect would be made available as an .ISO for example.
KernelPanic Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 Hence my reference to a non-networked player - it couldn't work. Correct me if i am wrong, but wasn't BD criticised for not requiring a network connection initially, but HDDVD did require it straight out of the box. HDD doesnt require a network connection, the players are just required to have one. There are some mis truths in this story. They cant lock each disc to each player.
Hydrology Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 I understand that to lock an individual disc to a player is certainly no walk in the park, but it is not impossible. What I have trouble getting to grips with is that Sony had lodged patents for this type of thing in the past. If they did this it would be retail suicide for BR. We all remember the drama with the Root Kit fiasco.
Tweet Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I can just see Sony charging for firmware updates, if you don't update your player it wont play any more BR discs apart from what it has played. So in a sense if Sony ever did this ,cynical as it is, it would effectively be a form of rental on the continual use of the format. Nah, not even Sony would do that. C.M
Hydrology Posted April 19, 2007 Author Posted April 19, 2007 I can just see Sony charging for firmware updates, if you don't update your player it wont play any more BR discs apart from what it has played.So in a sense if Sony ever did this ,cynical as it is, it would effectively be a form of rental on the continual use of the format. Nah, not even Sony would do that. C.M I have a burning desire to read a certain George Orwell novel about now.....
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 I have a burning desire to read a certain George Orwell novel about now..... "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xy2vgWiFk8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOvq5y7FjH0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNC74vBBNSA
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