Cody Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 boy oh boy, just reading about the shotings in Virginia, just unbelieveable Link still, even more unbelieveable to me is reading that if anything, gun control has become even more relaxed in many states, following on from the last lot of shootings in the amish school, colombine etc, and that there is a strong arguement that these shootings highlight the need for guns to be more available (self defense). i note that Bush has already come out in defense of the "right to bear arms", seems theres no change on the horizon.... i just dont understand the attitudes of these people, i think you would have to be an obsolute nut yourself to genuinely think a civillian population needs to be armed and has the "right" to do so. and yes i know "guns dont kill people, people kill people", but the fact is guns make it easy for people to kill people, and lots more than they otherwise would if they didnt have a gun - afterall, thats their purpose! its all just so senseless.....
Mining Man Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Have a read of this. Although you still won't understand the attitudes of the absolute nuts you refer to.
Cody Posted April 18, 2007 Author Posted April 18, 2007 Have a read of this. Although you still won't understand the attitudes of the absolute nuts you refer to. Yikes missed that one, having a read now. cheers.
Santa1503559644 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 See what this right ol' Charlie has to say on the subject!
Cody Posted April 18, 2007 Author Posted April 18, 2007 See what this right ol' Charlie has to say on the subject! good god, where to start with that one one question though, do rednecks actually know they're rednecks?
Hussla Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 "Guns dont kill peoople, dangerous minorities kill people!" I heard that one Family Guy, cracks me up every time!
Aloysius Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 I am an avid supporter of gun control! It would be a good idea if people stopped taking cheap shots at the Americans in this area. Unlike our blessed country those folks had to have a war to gain their independence from "Great Britain" - they fought an appalling civil war for a number of reasons. Their history mandates (to many), and it's in their constitution, that they have rights related to guns. That some people abuse this notion is not a reason to criticise their system, just as people who drink and drive and kill others can be a criticism of Australia for not prohibiting alcohol use
Hussla Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Copy and paste it...how it in a T-Shirt show in Zurich (Switzerland)
Cody Posted April 18, 2007 Author Posted April 18, 2007 I am an avid supporter of gun control!It would be a good idea if people stopped taking cheap shots at the Americans in this area. Unlike our blessed country those folks had to have a war to gain their independence from "Great Britain" - they fought an appalling civil war for a number of reasons. Their history mandates (to many), and it's in their constitution, that they have rights related to guns. That some people abuse this notion is not a reason to criticise their system, just as people who drink and drive and kill others can be a criticism of Australia for not prohibiting alcohol use civil war, how is that relevant? there has been plenty of time to move on from laws that served a purpose at the time, but are no longer needed as times have changed. the problems with the US system go way beyond gun control and there are more than enough good reasons to criticise it - and i for one reserve my right to, especially as they move around the globe starting wars, overthrowing governments and generally being terrorists themselves. anyway, lets not go there... anyway, this is about guns and the gun culture, which is just moronic imo. put most simply - can anyone explain to me why a civilian population such as the US (or Aus for that matter) need to "bear arms"? and yes i wondering how long it would take for chuck norris to surface!
Santa1503559644 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Aloy - countries remove/modify/add rights every day. The "God given" right to carry a handy lethal weapon is as beyond its use-by-date as slavery (a popular pastime in the days of the US War of Independence).
Mining Man Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 ... there has been plenty of time to move on from laws that served a purpose at the time, but are no longer needed as times have changed. ~ It just seems so obvious, doesn't it. Gun control. (And seat belts!! And motorcycle helmets!! And airport security screening!!) But damned if you can convince some folks that it's in their best interests, and not the great imposition on personal freedom they make it out to be.
Steve C Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Gun control. (And seat belts!! And motorcycle helmets!! And airport security screening!!)But damned if you can convince some folks that it's in their best interests, and not the great imposition on personal freedom they make it out to be. And don't forget surveillance cameras in public places and workplaces... The multitude of cameras throughout Sydney's CBD have certainly reduced instances of violent crime, whether they be committed with firearms or without - Not! And once a perpetrator is identified and charged (usually many months after the crime) the thugs concerned receive slap on the wrist sentences before going back and starring in their next video extravaganza. Yay! Now there's a solution.
Mining Man Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 And don't forget surveillance cameras in public places and workplaces... ~ Like speeding cameras, perhaps the best solution for this scenario would be visible law enforcement. Beat police and patrol cars would surely have to be a more effective visual deterrent than cameras that enable prosecution - after the event. That's the thing with gun control (and seat belts, and motorcycle helmets, and airport security screening). They are measures to prevent the unwanted event, not cash in on them once they have happened...
Thudd1503560234 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 "Guns dont kill peoople, dangerous minorities kill people!" Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. Guns just make bullets go real fast.
Santa1503559644 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. Guns just make bullets go real fast. Bullets dont kill people - wounds kill people. Bullets just make real good wounds!
mello yello Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Bullets dont kill people - wounds kill people. Bullets just make real good wounds! Wounds dont kill people....Public Hospital waiting lists kill people...
Steve C Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 That's the thing with gun control (and seat belts, and motorcycle helmets, and airport security screening). They are measures to prevent the unwanted event, not cash in on them once they have happened... Of course the one control that can't be guaranteed or enacted through legislation; but is the most important control of all, is self control. I guess it's only appropriate, as we live in a world where self control is so devalued.
Steve C Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Wounds dont kill people....Public Hospital waiting lists kill people... Public Hospital waiting lists don't kill people. The septicaemia and various infections contracted whilst in post operative wards kills people. (Shoosh... don't want to alarm people though )
mello yello Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Public Hospital waiting lists don't kill people. The septicaemia and various infections contracted whilst in post operative wards kills people. (Shoosh... don't want to alarm people though ) The septicaemia-and-various-infections-contracted-whilst-in-post-operative-wards dont kill people.....its the Legionnaires in the Air Conditioning that kill people ......The septicaemia-and-various-infections-contracted-whilst-in-post-operative-wards just make you more prone to Vitamin C deficiencies......
Hussla Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5634/chucknurrieal9.jpg <=== Chuck Norris kills people!
mello yello Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5634/chucknurrieal9.jpg <=== Chuck Norris kills people! Guns dont shoot people.... Dick Cheney does!!!
Hussla Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 For you Mello: http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/posters/index.asp http://www.dickcheneygunclub.com/
Santa1503559644 Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 It looks like the pro-gun lobby has a good case for their impressive rhetoric on this one. The dude had been in a psychiatric hospital, had been previously confronted by the police for stalking ... the gun-lobby is damned right - of course he deserves free access to the weapon(s) of his choice!!!
Hussla Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 It looks like the pro-gun lobby has a good case for their impressive rhetoric on this one.The dude had been in a psychiatric hospital, had been previously confronted by the police for stalking ... the gun-lobby is damned right - of course he deserves free access to the weapon(s) of his choice!!! The other side of the coin that the lobby would try and get across is IF all the students were carrying arms at the time, then the gunman's rampage may have been much shorter lived and less horrific.
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