franin Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Just out of curiosity which do many members believe is a much better unit The Sim 2 Domino d80 or the mitsubishi HC5000.My problem with the Sim is the price but I've been told the mitsubishi kills it in PQ.
cwt Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Just out of curiosity which do many members believe is a much better unit The Sim 2 Domino d80 or the mitsubishi HC5000.My problem with the Sim is the price but I've been told the mitsubishi kills it in PQ. Cant say which is best FRANIN; but the german cine 4 home review [pal country] raves about the hc5000 hqv upscaling.It doesnt like the pal film deinterlacing however so best to feed it a progressive signal.The sim has faroudja de interlacing so might not handle hd as well ?The review said it was like getting a free video processor with the mits
Taki Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 You shouldn't even be comparing these two. Price is massively different. SIM2 is almost $15000 I've seen both and the SIM2 is in a completely different league. And so it should be for the price. I'd be looking at the JVC if you want the best value/performance at the moment.
mgoldsmith Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 You shouldn't even be comparing these two.Price is massively different. SIM2 is almost $15000 I've seen both and the SIM2 is in a completely different league. And so it should be for the price. I'd be looking at the JVC if you want the best value/performance at the moment. I was told last week the Sim2 D80 has dropped it's price...again...seems the JVC is scaring even the big boys. the new price is suppose to be $13,000. (down from $16,000 which is the price i was told just 1 week prior) While i haven't had a chance to see the Sim2 myself, i'm told by a very reliable projector-keen friend that it truly rocks and it's outstanding quality makes one question the price of the Marantz 1080 jobbie. Matt.G
Gino Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 I'd go for the Sim2 D80. You're comparing a quality single chip DLP worth twice the price and likely better optics against LCD? But why not the JVC HD1? I'm considering the Sim2 C3X myself
norpus Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 I was told last week the Sim2 D80 has dropped it's price...again...seems the JVC is scaring even the big boys.the new price is suppose to be $13,000. (down from $16,000 which is the price i was told just 1 week prior) While i haven't had a chance to see the Sim2 myself, i'm told by a very reliable projector-keen friend that it truly rocks and it's outstanding quality makes one question the price of the Marantz 1080 jobbie. Matt.G I saw the 1080p Marantz VP11 on Saturday in HK http://us.marantz.com/Products/1828.asp It put out a brilliant image on a Stewart ST130 screen (BR Casino Royale) Despite that it has an rrp of $19999USD (120K in HK street), I am expecting the JVC to be on a par (which will confirm me as a v happy camper). I think you are right re the high end dlp pricing being scared downwards. To me, the high end dlps only really have light cannon lumens to their major advantage now (on the really exxy ones) and the JVC will be plenty bright for even a 120" scope screen for me (it has more light than the Marantz, calibrated around 500). The Marantz is close to king of the hill in the 20K bracket the guy said - when asked what he thought of the JVC he said yes it is "very good image in the cheaper bracket". I couldn't help smiling that the two brackets were now similar in PQ, just not price, but as he couldn't sell JVC I knew there was no mileage persuing that line
norpus Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 o/t doesn't worx a4 has one in his setup? oops, he might have too Nice projector, no further comments hehe
Spero D. Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Just out of curiosity which do many members believe is a much better unit The Sim 2 Domino d80 or the mitsubishi HC5000.My problem with the Sim is the price but I've been told the mitsubishi kills it in PQ. You should also consider the Sharp XV-Z21000 at $12000. There is a 24p firmware upgrade supposedly coming for it.
The_Preacher1973 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 oops, he might have too Nice projector, no further comments hehe Yeah. Worx has the new Marantz. I previously mentioned that the JVC was just like the Marantz except with much better blacks and without RBE. Unlike Norpus though, I didn't do it by accident. For the record, he didn't take the bait.
norpus Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Yeah. Worx has the new Marantz. I previously mentioned that the JVC was just like the Marantz except with much better blacks and without RBE. Unlike Norpus though, I didn't do it by accident. For the record, he didn't take the bait. Hehe, I wouldn't argue with you either preach But here's some more bait for the fishees http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/t...ANSIvsONOFF.htm Interestingly the theory that the well calibrated dlp should be the measure of an OTB lcos was proven to be flawed in parctise at my place. Ultimately it took the shine off my love of the 8720 when the Pearl whipped its ass at my place (even in shadow detail which I was sure it wouldn't ) Still the 1080p dlp was certainly a fabulous image. I'd love to see them side to side one day
mrfreeze Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 I was told last week the Sim2 D80 has dropped it's price...again...seems the JVC is scaring even the big boys.the new price is suppose to be $13,000. (down from $16,000 which is the price i was told just 1 week prior) While i haven't had a chance to see the Sim2 myself, i'm told by a very reliable projector-keen friend that it truly rocks and it's outstanding quality makes one question the price of the Marantz 1080 jobbie. Matt.G Yes until June 30 the Sim D80 is offered as a special $12,999 RRP
mgoldsmith Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Yes until June 30 the Sim D80 is offered as a special $12,999 RRP is that until june 30 2008? ...at which time the replacement model will be released?
franin Posted April 18, 2007 Author Posted April 18, 2007 You shouldn't even be comparing these two.Price is massively different. SIM2 is almost $15000 I've seen both and the SIM2 is in a completely different league. And so it should be for the price. I'd be looking at the JVC if you want the best value/performance at the moment. I was also told that the sim 2 is way overpriced.I was also told that the mitsubishi is the better of the two,due to it's processor.
The_Preacher1973 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 is that until june 30 2008? ...at which time the replacement model will be released? You beat me to it. I think that's the special price to June 30. After that it will drop to $12499. Who are these companies trying to kid. CE prices do not go up.
franin Posted April 18, 2007 Author Posted April 18, 2007 I was also told that the sim 2 is way overpriced.I was also told that the mitsubishi is the better of the two,due to it's processor, and it has good optics as well.
Gino Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 If you're seriously looking at that price range Franin, I could get you a Sim2 C3X for that amount! Don't you love how well the aussie $$ is doing against the USD?!
franin Posted April 18, 2007 Author Posted April 18, 2007 If you're seriously looking at that price range Franin, I could get you a Sim2 C3X for that amount! Don't you love how well the aussie $$ is doing against the USD?! Cheers Gino! but unfortunatley im getting my projector upgraded which I had to pay $7000, which my wife was not happy about, but the mistubishi I have to Pay $5000.When it comes to visuals Im not the best but I was told that mitsubishi is more releiable,has better blacks and a better processor and optics than the sim 2.These guys are installers which are also passionate about the home theatre and they told me to go for the JVC,but unfortunaltey due do spending $10000 last week on the screen and speakers I can really go for the mitsubishi or the sim 2 d80.I asked about the JVC and they did not have much of a margin to move.I have the d35 which im happy with,but these guys who install projector throughout peoples houses are recommending the mitsubishi 1080p.
The_Preacher1973 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Cheers Gino! but unfortunatley im getting my projector upgraded which I had to pay $7000, which my wife was not happy about, but the mistubishi I have to Pay $5000.When it comes to visuals Im not the best but I was told that mitsubishi is more releiable,has better blacks and a better processor and optics than the sim 2.These guys are installers which are also passionate about the home theatre and they told me to go for the JVC,but unfortunaltey due do spending $10000 last week on the screen and speakers I can really go for the mitsubishi or the sim 2 d80.I asked about the JVC and they did not have much of a margin to move.I have the d35 which im happy with,but these guys who install projector throughout peoples houses are recommending the mitsubishi 1080p. OK. I'm officially confused. You say you can afford $13K for the D80 but can't afford $8K for the JVC? That's why everyone keeps coming back to recommending the JVC. It's better and cheaper. Saying that you can only choose between the Mitsubishi and the D80 but can't afford the JVC is like saying you can only afford a Corolla or a Mercedes but can't afford a Subaru.
franin Posted April 18, 2007 Author Posted April 18, 2007 OK. I'm officially confused. You say you can afford $13K for the D80 but can't afford $8K for the JVC?That's why everyone keeps coming back to recommending the JVC. It's better and cheaper. Saying that you can only choose between the Mitsubishi and the D80 but can't afford the JVC is like saying you can only afford a Corolla or a Mercedes but can't afford a Subaru. Sorry I have not explained myself clearly, I was trading my sim 2 d35 in and they want $7000 also on top for the d80.Due to my current spending last week my wife would prefer me to spend less but where streching it at $7000 thats like max. I tried for the JVC first, they don't have any in stock but they want more than $7000 on top and I know the mrss is going to say no. Thats why Im comparing the other two.Some of you guys on this forum have better knowledge and definelty high end gear in projectors and you guys are better educated in the projectors side of things than I am.I know the JVC is the best but upgrade budget cannot get me there so between the two(one which I have been highly recommended is the mitsubishi) which do you think is the better.Im looking on the net for detailed reviews on the d80 but cannot seem to find any.
Gino Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Your best bet is to post your question in the avsforum, $3K+ pj subforum, you'll find people with experience with both projectors.
franin Posted April 18, 2007 Author Posted April 18, 2007 Your best bet is to post your question in the avsforum, $3K+ pj subforum, you'll find people with experience with both projectors. Yes i have aleady supplied one of the guys in the english forums who seems pretty spot on with these things.I supplied him the link on the projector and he will be able to tell me which is the better. http://www.mitsubishielectric.com.au/PRODU...PROJ/HC5000.htm For what you have Gino, I think you will be more spot on than most in this forum.If you get a chance have a look at this link as you will give more of a unbiased view.Unfortunaltey I've looked everywhere for the D80 which I've only found there brochure and specifications, but does not break it down compared to the mitsubishi.
norpus Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Yes i have aleady supplied one of the guys in the english forums who seems pretty spot on with these things.I supplied him the link on the projector and he will be able to tell me which is the better.http://www.mitsubishielectric.com.au/PRODU...PROJ/HC5000.htm For what you have Gino, I think you will be more spot on than most in this forum.If you get a chance have a look at this link as you will give more of a unbiased view.Unfortunaltey I've looked everywhere for the D80 which I've only found there brochure and specifications, but does not break it down compared to the mitsubishi. Surely the D80 would kill the Mitsi lcd - no contest I'd prefer to sell the d35 and get an HD1 from pricejapan - keep the wife happy with a small gift with the change Both of you would be happy
The_Preacher1973 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Surely the D80 would kill the Mitsi lcd - no contestI'd prefer to sell the d35 and get an HD1 from pricejapan - keep the wife happy with a small gift with the change Both of you would be happy I agree with Norpus. The options I would consider in order are: 1. Sell the D35 and by a HD1 2. Trade in the D35 and get the D80 3. Keep the D35 Honestly, if you are happy with the D35 then obviously you don;t have a problem with any side effects from DLP. As such, you shouldn't be considering a move to LCD. The benefits of DLP are over LCD are substantial if you aren't bothered by RBE. If that's the case, I'd keep the D35 over the HC5000. As has been stated in here countless times, there is more to PQ than absolute resolution and I actually think the HC5000 would be a backwards step from the D35.
Taki Posted April 19, 2007 Posted April 19, 2007 As I've said, I've seen both. And even your d35 is a better than the HC5000. Resolution isn't anywhere near the most important factor. Contrast and Color are far more important to producing a good picture to the eye than resolution. This is where DLP kills any LCD. Plus the SIM2 optics are some of the best in the industry.
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