Dlp V Lcd

[AlexMJ]

My brother in law is going to buy a projector for his family.

I'm urging him to go LCD but he's decided on DLP pretty much based on this PP presentation a workmate sent him:

http://www.idt.com.au/Infocus/Why_DLP_over_LCD%201.ppt

How factual is the presentation? I have to admit it does make LCD look bad in comparison. The duty cycle comparisons towards the end of it are particularly alarming

[yamapro]

Why are you urging him to go LCD?

Whats his budget?

What features does he want & or need?

Cheers,

Alex

[CAVX]

I have LCD now, but my next projector will be DLP.

PQ of DLP (IMHO) is that much more "film like" over LCD...

Mark

[AlexMJ]

I guess main reason is I've yet to watch a DLP projector that doesnt have rainbow effect for me and I'm concerned my sister will be affected by it too (assuming being affected by rainbow is genetic).

I doubt he wants to spend more than $1K.

Just wants it to watch movies, he has a nice plasma TV for everything else.

So is that PP presentation honest?

[Tweet]

I guess main reason is I've yet to watch a DLP projector that doesnt have rainbow effect for me and I'm concerned my sister will be affected by it too (assuming being affected by rainbow is genetic).

I doubt he wants to spend more than $1K.

Just wants it to watch movies, he has a nice plasma TV for everything else.

So is that PP presentation honest?

Well if he only wants to spend $1K on a projector ( unless it is 2nd hand) he is going to be sadly disillusioned by the experience.

It needs to be at least 16:9 to qualify as H.T

The best outcome is usually obtained through getting good advice from experienced people and on forums such as this he'll get a wide variety of views.

C.M

[The_Preacher1973]

I guess main reason is I've yet to watch a DLP projector that doesnt have rainbow effect for me and I'm concerned my sister will be affected by it too (assuming being affected by rainbow is genetic).

I doubt he wants to spend more than $1K.

Just wants it to watch movies, he has a nice plasma TV for everything else.

So is that PP presentation honest?

If he wants to spend less than $1000 than there is only one choice - the Benq W100 for $995. It's DLP.

If you want a decent LCD you're looking at around $2000 for the Epson TW700.

[quijibo]

Rainbows aren't that bad. I see them all the time. Initially it bothered me and I found it quite distracting, but now I couldn't care less. I see them but they don't affect the movie.

I've just finished watching a movie with subtitles and I could see them constantly on the white writing and it never bothered me at all.

I agree on the Benq w100, you will not get anything else for under $1k that is comparable.

[yamapro]

Agree with Deflepper here... I'm one of the apparently few people who see rainbows, but it doesn't bother me - i soon 'tuned' out to them.

The few people who notice them AND experience 'symptoms like dizziness, headache and or motion sickness etc.. are really a tiny minority i think the whole RBE problem is beat up well out of proportion and bluntly with a $1k budget anything you buy will be a compromise.

Also at that point nothing comes close to the BenQ W100... yep she'll have rainbows but is true 16:9 and puts out an amazing picture for those bucks

And FWIW yes LCD panels do degrade severely and once they clock a few hours will never give out the same brilliant pictures as when new. DLPs aren't affected by this - a new globe equals a 'perfect' picture again... no need to buy a new PJ like with an LCD.

Also because of this you will often be able to run a DLP PJ for longer periodsand more regularly without risking trouble (or voiding warranties!)

Best of luck

[mercury10]

I think a lot of people see rainbows and get dizzy with DLP.

I remember owning and selling an x1 very quickly.

I felt sick,my wife felt sick,and a few of my friends felt dizzy too.

Ive demoed a few new DLPs but i still see rainbows.Not sure if the headaches will be less

with a new model.

The new LCDs are excellent projectors.Can be had for around $3000,dont degrade like the old ones(c2fine)

and are allways going to be lighter on the eyes.

[quijibo]

There have been heaps of issues with the new panels and nobody knows if they actually do deteriorate yet anyway. Time will tell.

The OP is looking at a $1k projector so $3k is a little excessive anyway.

But go and try them out before you buy so you don't come on here and sook because you made the wrong decision.

[AlexMJ]

ok, nobody has answered my question so I'll try again, here's hoping for third time lucky

How honest is the PP presentation?

[quijibo]

I've only just managed to look at it, but it seems to be fairly accurate from my limited knowledge.

It is very a one-sided opinion though and is aimed at making DLP look good, but its true, in general DLP does look good.

The thing to note though is that LCD is catching up and the difference is not that huge anymore.

[JoshH]

The thing to note though is that LCD is catching up and the difference is not that huge anymore.

Its all relative to the outlay - sub 5K the difference might be bugger all. upwards of 15-20k - different story.

[CAVX]

Its all relative to the outlay - sub 5K the difference might be bugger all. upwards of 15-20k - different story.

Projectors like the BenQ 8720 are way better than anything 720 LCD in that price range and can be had below 5K...

[yamapro]

That's kinda what i thought Mark...

I would have thought most DLPs under 5K walk all over their LCD rivals? Am i wrong? With the HC1100 being under $2k the HC 3100 around $3K and the BenQ 8720 at high $3k all for Aussie models (not even cheaper grey imports) what LCDs come close at those price points?

[norpus]

IMO

1. The current 720p lcd around $2-2.5K do a great job for the money eg Epson TW700, Sanyo Z5 etc

2. The DC3 dlp are just a bit better PQ and now at great pricepoints primarily due to 1 above eg BenQ8720

3. The SXRD/DILA models between 5-10K are just that much better again eg Sony Pearl, JVC HD1

4. The uber dlps - single and 3 chip above 20 - 200K can be better again

I am not yet sure where the 1080p lcds fit in the continuum yet, as haven't had enough experience to judge, but guessing around the 2+ area

[norpus]

ok, nobody has answered my question so I'll try again, here's hoping for third time lucky

How honest is the PP presentation?

Sorry I tried to open the 10MB link but I don't have .ppt on this computer, sorry

[Wilco1503560275]

I guess main reason is I've yet to watch a DLP projector that doesnt have rainbow effect for me and I'm concerned my sister will be affected by it too (assuming being affected by rainbow is genetic).

I doubt he wants to spend more than $1K.

Just wants it to watch movies, he has a nice plasma TV for everything else.

So is that PP presentation honest?

lol honestly

WELL seeing the presentation was prepared by INFOCUS, a dlp projector manufacturer...mmm...one can conclude their honesty there.

but i think most will agree with the overall findings of the presentation, but i think its exaggerated tad too much. and the products they were comparing were infocus's own in24 against some entry lvl lcd data projector.

with regards to your friend wanting to spend around 1k, plz get him to do himself a favor and check out the infocus in72 sd dlp projector for 1399, down from total rip off at 1999. I THINK u can still get that offer, but i think most stockist are out.

read this review: http://www.projectorreviews.com/HomeTheate...level/index.asp

its the most relevant for your case. if you cant get the in72 at 1399, u have no choice but to get the benqw100. i was eying the w100 until i saw the in72...killed the benq hands down, in that price range that is.

cheers

[Hydrology]

lol honestly

WELL seeing the presentation was prepared by INFOCUS, a dlp projector manufacturer...mmm...one can conclude their honesty there.

but i think most will agree with the overall findings of the presentation, but i think its exaggerated tad too much. and the products they were comparing were infocus's own in24 against some entry lvl lcd data projector.

with regards to your friend wanting to spend around 1k, plz get him to do himself a favor and check out the infocus in72 sd dlp projector for 1399, down from total rip off at 1999. I THINK u can still get that offer, but i think most stockist are out.

read this review: http://www.projectorreviews.com/HomeTheate...level/index.asp

its the most relevant for your case. if you cant get the in72 at 1399, u have no choice but to get the benqw100. i was eying the w100 until i saw the in72...killed the benq hands down, in that price range that is.

cheers

For the money, the IN72 is a great little unit, but naturally more money can yield a better PJ.

[yamapro]

Agree with Mark -the IN72 IS a great little unit... Phenomenal in fact when you consider it can be had for well UNDER the RRP of $1399. Even better value when you consider the 1 year lamp warranty (like to see panasonic do that )... obviously though spend more and you will indeed get better

(In case you didn't know i just bought one of these after deciding right now that i don't need to spend more or get better at the moment!)

[norpus]

Agree with Mark -the IN72 IS a great little unit... Phenomenal in fact when you consider it can be had for well UNDER the RRP of $1399. Even better value when you consider the 1 year lamp warranty (like to see panasonic do that )... obviously though spend more and you will indeed get better

(In case you didn't know i just bought one of these after deciding right now that i don't need to spend more or get better at the moment!)

One thing about InFocus is their lamp costs are high, and it is hard to get low priced ones (pricejapan won't do them). I had an IF earlier on - great unit but repair costs were high locally although they were efficient (Electrohome) - lamp was $650 and repairing a $50 ballast was about same. If you bought a $1200 IF and the lamp was more than half the price to replace (mine shattered at 1200hrs), it would feel like a printer/cartridge scenario to me.

[yamapro]

The Lamps RRP is $600 (although I'm sure they can be had for less) not too prohibitive in my books but i definitely get your point about the Printer/Cartridge scenario.

The big plus as far as I'm concerned is 12 month lamp warranty... getting at least a full year out of the lamp (or getting a new one) guaranteed with the PJ is great. I don't know of any other Digital manufacturer who offers this.

In my book having that 'peace of mind' makesit a little easier to stomach paying $600 eventually for a new lamp.

[Wilco1503560275]

(In case you didn't know i just bought one of these after deciding right now that i don't need to spend more or get better at the moment!)

welcome to the club

but its funni how when the summer deal ended...the in72 stopped showing up on the aussie distro's site at http://www.internationaldynamics.com.au/

maybe a new model is coming out.

either way, i wouldnt regret if a new model arrived...UNLESS it started at a rrp of 1399 HEHEHe

then i would...meh mixed feelings there.

[yamapro]

Thanks Wilco,

I can't believe how great this little PJ is for what i paid!

To be honest if a new entry level model came out at $1399 that did everything as well as the IN72 and was native 720P (for arguments sake - can't actually imagine Infocus doing that just yet) i would say AWESOME as it would be bound to open up the doors of projector ownership to loads of people and then CIH would probably really take off too

At the end of the day i am STOKED with my purchase, it does everything i want it to and at a lower price than i ever imagined possible - although prices are always coming down now! There isn't anything that could give me mixed feelings about my purchase now (short of perpetual lamp failures or something silly like that!)

[quijibo]

I'm glad you are happy with your choice, but I would recommend anyone else considering an in72 or any other 480p projector to demo a 720p model or even a 1080p model and compare the two with HD material.

Even though you will not get a better projector with the quality of picture and processing as the in72, 720p projectors like the mitsubishi hc1100 can be obtained for not much more money.