Pioneer Blu-ray

[russell1503559510]

Pioneer will release blue-ray player next week with RRP of $1500

[AndrewW]

Firstly it's Blu Ray, not Blue-Ray.

Secondly, Blu Ray has nothing to do with DVD.

Thirdly, wow that's expensive :ph34r:

Andrew.

[pajames]

Pioneer will release blue-ray player next week with RRP of $1500

I have no doubts it would be a nice player, but man that's expensive.

I just got my Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player shipped for $465AUD, I could of bought three of them and I still wouldn't have reached the RRP of the Pioneer

[russell1503559510]

Firstly it's Blu Ray, not Blue-Ray.

Secondly, Blu Ray has nothing to do with DVD.

Thirdly, wow that's expensive :ph34r:

Andrew.

Blu-ray is optical disc technology same like DVD except it uses blue laser instead of red laser.

[Paranoid666au]

Blu Ray is not a format of the DVD forum so it can not be referred to has as DVD or next gen DVD. HD DVD is the real next gen DVD based on DVD tech while Blu Ray is a totally deferent optical tech. It's like saying DVD-A CD player or Xbox 360 Playstation.

[russell1503559510]

Blu Ray is not a format of the DVD forum so it can not be referred to has as DVD or next gen DVD. HD DVD is the real next gen DVD based on DVD tech while Blu Ray is a totally deferent optical tech. It's like saying DVD-A CD player or Xbox 360 Playstation.

from bluray.com

While current optical disc technologies such as DVD, DVD±R, DVD±RW, and DVD-RAM rely on a red laser to read and write data, the new format uses a blue-violet laser instead, hence the name Blu-ray. Despite the different type of lasers used, Blu-ray products can easily be made backwards compatible with CDs and DVDs through the use of a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical pickup unit. The benefit of using a blue-violet laser (405nm) is that it has a shorter wavelength than a red laser (650nm), which makes it possible to focus the laser spot with even greater precision. This allows data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space, so it's possible to fit more data on the disc even though it's the same size as a CD/DVD. This together with the change of numerical aperture to 0.85 is what enables Blu-ray Discs to hold 25GB/50GB.

[momaw]

I think the point was the name "DVD" is a registered trademark of the DVD Forum and to call Blu-ray DVD is the same as calling Pepsi Coke.

[russell1503559510]

I think the point was the name "DVD" is a registered trademark of the DVD Forum and to call Blu-ray DVD is the same as calling Pepsi Coke.

agree

[laurie]

Pioneer will release blue-ray player next week with RRP of $1500

Strange unless I'm totally blind why is there no mention of it on their web site as I said I stand to be corrected

cheers laurie

[betty boop]

if they are to release the us player here at $1,500 that is a great price for what is a very nice player. I saw in action at e-home a few weeks back. but that was an american import.

I'd consider buy one if it is backward compatible with DVD and region free on DVD.

[THX1979]

but the Australian pioneer will only play region B Blu Ray discs is that correct ??

Looking at Amazon Uk & Amazon france/ Germany looks like the yanks are in 7th heaven regarding price of discs

[Cody]

I'd consider buy one if it is backward compatible with DVD and region free on DVD.

even without being compatible with BD-J etc ?

no thanks, ill continue to wait until the BDA sort themselves out before i go handing over that sort of money...

[betty boop]

but the Australian pioneer will only play region B Blu Ray discs is that correct ??

Looking at Amazon Uk & Amazon france/ Germany looks like the yanks are in 7th heaven regarding price of discs

even without being compatible with BD-J etc ?

no thanks, ill continue to wait until the BDA sort themselves out before i go handing over that sort of money...

both comments true. though we can only hope the new pio is compatible with the latest blu0ray spec and re o/s discs I cant see myself buying an O/S player tas as would be kicking myself every time walked past a local release knowing cant buy it due to my o/s region player not being able to play.

[pajames]

both comments true. though we can only hope the new pio is compatible with the latest blu0ray spec and re o/s discs I cant see myself buying an O/S player tas as would be kicking myself every time walked past a local release knowing cant buy it due to my o/s region player not being able to play.

I suppose that's one advantage of HD DVD being that it's not region coded, (for now at least). :ph34r:

Paul

[AndrewW]

I suppose that's one advantage of HD DVD being that it's not region coded, (for now at least).

OMG, we finally managed to get Skid to stop saying that, please don't start it up again.

Andrew.

*I'm more than happy for people to start talking about region coding of HD DVD as soon as there is an official report of it being discussed by the DVD Forum. Until that time it is purely Sony/BD FUD put out there to sow the seeds of doubt in the consumers' mind.

[momaw]

To add to Andrews caveat, and that is officially listed on the DVD forum site as a topic for an actual meeting in the section for meeting agenda's.

[Skid_MacMarx]

OMG, we finally managed to get Skid to stop saying that, please don't start it up again.

For the record:

1. I can discuss what I wish ...without being bullied... (thats part of the reason I give the "we" a hard time and the other reason is improving their debating skills )

2. It wasn't me bringing up the subject all the time, I was only responding to posts directed at me.. because I initially brought up an article stating there was a possibility.

Before we all get into another "heated discussion," these articles are "out of date" and amir (a Microsoft industry insider) said it was an awfully slim possibility.

momaw also said a number of studios are against region coding.

This leads to an interesting scenario, would we all get a PG version of "Casino Royale" if in fact there was no region coding for either format..

oh Andrew why I'm thinking this:

I asked the Sony Pictures BD insider:

I recently received my *free* PS3 promo copy of Casino Royale over here in Australia. This was a "region free" release. Apparently, from what has been said at various forums over here.. the Australian/European "region free" edition is "uncensored" compared to the US being censored and region coded.

Is this an exemption to the rule.. ie if US censors want parts deleted and their EU counterparts don't we will find a EU "all region" edition?

reply:

There is no relationship between censorship and region coding, So "Casino Royale" does not define a business practice in that sense.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4988&page=36

[momaw]

For the record:

1. I can discuss what I wish ...without being bullied... (thats part of the reason I give the "we" a hard time and the other reason is improving their debating skills )

2. It wasn't me bringing up the subject all the time, I was only responding to posts directed at me.. because I initially brought up an article stating there was a possibility.

Before we all get into another "heated discussion," these articles are "out of date" and amir (a Microsoft industry insider) said it was an awfully slim possibility.

momaw also said a number of studios are against region coding.

This leads to an interesting scenario, would we all get a PG version of "Casino Royale" if in fact there was no region coding for either format..

oh Andrew why I'm thinking this:

I asked the Sony Pictures BD insider:

I recently received my *free* PS3 promo copy of Casino Royale over here in Australia. This was a "region free" release. Apparently, from what has been said at various forums over here.. the Australian/European "region free" edition is "uncensored" compared to the US being censored and region coded.

Is this an exemption to the rule.. ie if US censors want parts deleted and their EU counterparts don't we will find a EU "all region" edition?

reply:

There is no relationship between censorship and region coding, So "Casino Royale" does not define a business practice in that sense.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4988&page=36

ha ha ha ha ha. This is a new one and quite amusing. No region coding means we all get a censored version Good one Skid. You made me laugh.

You've convinced me, region free is bad for consumers and we should all demand to be locked out of every other market on the planet. We are much better off for it.

Interesting you post this suggestion while avoiding like the plague my musings...... (I'm sure you innocently missed the original post )

How would you feel if the situation was reversed? ie, the American region locked version was uncensored and the region free Australian version was censored? I ask because being in the same region as the UK it is highly likely we will get a lot of movies "minted" over there released locally here (we still get a few on SD even though it is a different region - I still remember the funny copy we got of Demolition Man where they dubbed "Pizza Hut" over all the references to Taco Bell) and their censorship tends to be tougher than the yanks, so this situation is very likely to occur!

[Skid_MacMarx]

ha ha ha ha ha. This is a new one and quite amusing. No region coding means we all get a censored version Good one Skid. You made me laugh.

You've convinced me, region free is bad for consumers and we should all demand to be locked out of every other market on the planet. We are much better off for it.

Interesting you post this suggestion while avoiding like the plague my musings......

Its a serious question .. would we have got an uncensored version of Casino Royale if in fact there was no region coding?

Because so far from what I gather there are no particular censored emissions between the Warner US and EU releases.

For the record

3. I as a consumer do not want "Region coding" on either format.

momaw, you really need to reference your material:

How would you feel if the situation was reversed? ie, the American region locked version was uncensored and the region free Australian version was censored? I ask because being in the same region as the UK it is highly likely we will get a lot of movies "minted" over there released locally here (we still get a few on SD even though it is a different region - I still remember the funny copy we got of Demolition Man where they dubbed "Pizza Hut" over all the references to Taco Bell) and their censorship tends to be tougher than the yanks, so this situation is very likely to occur!

if you want me to respond to something in another thread .. please provide a link

i thought i had already responded to that.. and needless to say why should i be expected to reply to all your posts.

do you really what me to?

i think i said there is a helluva of a lot of "product placement" in hollywood films, and regarding the film being released "uncensored" in the us, personally its not an issue.

i have gone out of my way previously to get unrated director cuts from the US .. but this is not the type of film I would have hung on to

haven't we discussed this before.. it just seems I keep repeating myself with you momaw

for the record:

4. i have not read every thread in this sub section.

Edited April 15, 2007 by Skid_MacMarx

[momaw]

Its a serious question .. would we have got an uncensored version of Casino Royale if in fact there was no region coding?

Because so far from what I gather there are no particular censored emissions between the Warner US and EU releases.

For the record

3. I as a consumer do not want "Region coding" on either format.

It's a silly notion. All region free does is allow you to play films from other regions. It does not effect local censorship any more than region locked does. It's just a flag on a disc. On or off the content is not an issue.

What will be interesting is the previous discussion we had where it could be that a single world print is minted and local censorship comes down to HDi or BDJ features.

[AndrewWilliams]

Hopefully it has less issues than Pioneer's early DVD players. G0t lip-sync issues anyone?

[Skid_MacMarx]

It's a silly notion. All region free does is allow you to play films from other regions. It does not effect local censorship any more than region locked does. It's just a flag on a disc. On or off the content is not an issue.

I'm saying if there was no region coding, would they have gone to the trouble of releasing two HD versions ie a PG and M version

What will be interesting is the previous discussion we had where it could be that a single world print is minted and local censorship comes down to HDi or BDJ features.

you must have missed this post of mine:

For me, the "censorship" feature, which momaw has mention sounds neat.. ie. at the flick of the switch you can have a M or R certificate version of the film.

Unfortunately the Sony Pictures "insider" has knocked the "censorship" feature on the head:

my question:

There is talk that studios could use these new features to present different certificate versions on the one discs... like say a PG or a M version..

Considering parents can set a "certificate ceiling" .. surely the censorship and classification boards would not have any objections to this.

Is this one feature the studios are seriously looking at?

insider response:

Using seamless branching to create multiple rated versions is difficult at best because there are technical limitations on where the branch points can be. When we visted this subject for DVD, there was also a concern about the fact that censored scenes can still be accessed on the disc in countries where they are prohibited by the listed rating.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4988&page=36

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=48411

[momaw]

I'm saying if there was no region coding, would they have gone to the trouble of releasing two HD versions ie a PG and M version

you must have missed this post of mine:

Unfortunately the Sony Pictures "insider" has knocked the "censorship" feature on the head:

my question:

There is talk that studios could use these new features to present different certificate versions on the one discs... like say a PG or a M version..

Considering parents can set a "certificate ceiling" .. surely the censorship and classification boards would not have any objections to this.

Is this one feature the studios are seriously looking at?

insider response:

Using seamless branching to create multiple rated versions is difficult at best because there are technical limitations on where the branch points can be. When we visted this subject for DVD, there was also a concern about the fact that censored scenes can still be accessed on the disc in countries where they are prohibited by the listed rating.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=4988&page=36

http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=48411

That's not a no, not remotely a no. Just that it was difficult and sony pictures is only one studio that has this far not really shown any interest in advanced features. Now Disney and Warners who are really pushing for this would be better people to ask.

But basically, they will always have to mint different versions to cover different regions issues (barring a HDi/BDJ Solution). No two ways around it, so I wouldn't stress too much. The reality is, our censorship issues are more likely to be effected by UK prints as they have in the past. The historical issue of censorship and past trends should continue to be accurate in predicting future trends. It is funny though, cause it is usually the US to get "unrated" versions (crappy comedies aside) while we get stuck with the cut versions.

[RodN]

Guys MUST you take everything single thread off topic with all of your battles.

Is there any info on this player at all...? What sort of codecs it supports? 7.1 analog out?

edit: found the American site: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/p...etailsComponent

No 7.1 analog but the network socket looks very very tasty as I have at network socket in my entertainment area and a pc that records tv in another room.

[momaw]

Guys MUST you take everything single thread off topic with all of your battles.

Is there any info on this player at all...? What sort of codecs it supports? 7.1 analog out?

edit: found the American site: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/p...etailsComponent

No 7.1 analog but the network socket looks very very tasty as I have at network socket in my entertainment area and a pc that records tv in another room.

Don't be so melodramatic Nobby. I was just responding to other comments.

But it did go way off topic and I played a part in that so sorry to all those offended.

Isn't that link for their gen 1 model?