Muzzer Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Hi Guys, Check the following link if you're interested in info on the new Onkyo range which should be due here soon: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=831063 So it looks like a race between Onkyo and Denon for HDMI 1.3, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD etc The above link is for the USA forum so they may take a while longer to get here.
Volunteer Kazz Posted April 11, 2007 Volunteer Posted April 11, 2007 Hi Guys,Check the following link if you're interested in info on the new Onkyo range which should be due here soon: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=831063 So it looks like a race between Onkyo and Denon for HDMI 1.3, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD etc The above link is for the USA forum so they may take a while longer to get here. Well I'm afraid I won't be touching another Onkyo. I bought an Onkyo 803 6 months ago and from the start it made a clicking noise from the receiver (the same as if it was switching between inputs), every ten or so minutes. Anyway it went to their nominated service centre in Melb where they couln't find a fault, although they did fix the problem it had with not swithcing on or off with the remote intermittantly. Took it home same clicking noise, put up with it for a while then took it back to the service centre they had it for nearly 3 weeks before I insisted it be sent to Ambertech in Sydney where it stayed for 2 weeks before coming back to me, same report cannot find problem. Ayway same clicking when I got it back, tried new interconnects, running with no video processing, running through line interactive sine wave ups all made no difference. Contacted the store I purchased it from they lent me an 804, first night no probs next day same clicking as the 803, took both units back and now have a Marantz, problem sloved and the sound from the Marantz is much better than the Onkyo ever was. Rant over.
quijibo Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Sounds like an issue with your speakers and onkyo amps. What are they?
xr06t Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 http://www.intl.onkyo.com/products/av_comp...r505/index.html looks like no hdmi for the 505 in aus..
Volunteer Kazz Posted April 11, 2007 Volunteer Posted April 11, 2007 Sounds like an issue with your speakers and onkyo amps. What are they? Dali Concept 6 Fronts & Concept centre (new, had Sony fronts JBL centre when I first got the Onkyo) Jamo Sub JBL Surrounds & Back.
quijibo Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Dali Concept 6 Fronts & Concept centre (new, had Sony fronts JBL centre when I first got the Onkyo)Jamo Sub JBL Surrounds & Back. Did you have the same problem with more than one set of speakers?
Volunteer Kazz Posted April 11, 2007 Volunteer Posted April 11, 2007 Did you have the same problem with more than one set of speakers? The fronts and centre were changed the rest stayed the same.
Gutty Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 it made aclicking noise from the receiver (the same as if it was switching between inputs), every ten or so minutes. I get a similar noise from my Yamaha, though not exactly every 10 minutes, much more irregular and infrequent. I just figured it was switching something or other....
Volunteer Kazz Posted April 11, 2007 Volunteer Posted April 11, 2007 I get a similar noise from my Yamaha, though not exactly every 10 minutes, much more irregular and infrequent. I just figured it was switching something or other.... It was so frequent it nearly drove me insane (not a far trip for me, some would say)
Basil1503559642 Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Dali Concept 6 Fronts & Concept centre (new, had Sony fronts JBL centre when I first got the Onkyo)Jamo Sub JBL Surrounds & Back. Hi I don't know if its related but i saw a review of Dali Speakers(Model no. escapes me) in a Uk Magazine a few Years ago,although rated at 4 ohms they dropped below 2 Ohms at some Frequencies which will kill a average 'consumer type' Amp. without the necessary Circuit Boards.(They used to call them 'protection circuit bleeder boards' or something like that). One of the 'Technical Types' hovering out there can explain it better than me. Regards Basil
Volunteer Kazz Posted April 11, 2007 Volunteer Posted April 11, 2007 Hi I don't know if its related but i saw a review of Dali Speakers(Model no. escapes me) in a Uk Magazine a few Years ago,although rated at 4 ohms they dropped below 2 Ohms at some Frequencies which will kill a average 'consumer type' Amp. without the necessary Circuit Boards.(They used to call them 'bleeder boards' or something like that). One of the 'Technical Types' hovering out there can explain it better than me. Regards Basil The Dali Concepts are rated at 8ohms so they should be ok, it was also doing it with the original Sony fronts and JBL centre which were all 8 ohms, also all surrounds are rated at 8ohms. I don't have the problem with the Marantz I have now. Sorry Muzzer I seem to have hijacked your thread. Definitely not my intent.
Muzzer Posted April 11, 2007 Author Posted April 11, 2007 So back on topic, has anybody heard when the 605 and above will be here in Australia? I assume there are lots of other people with positive Onkyo ownership stories? Are you hanging out for something like this or are you happy with the "why you don't need HDMI 1.3 and TrueHD" argument?
gavstar1 Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 TX-SR875 MSRP $1599 Est Shipping date mid to late July *Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (4 in 1 out) *HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit) *Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (100 MHZ) Video Switching (? in 1 out) *WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI *HQV Reon-VX Video Processing and NSV Precision Video *Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Acoustics Correction *7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources *DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX, TrueHD *DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24, HD Master Audio *THX Ultra2 Certified *S-Video (? in 1 out) *Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) ?/? *Composite (? in 1 out) *Burr-Brown 192/24-bit DAC on all Channels (TI Architecture (PCM1796)) *Power ??0W/Ch *Powered Zone 2 with Video Balance Volume and tone control *Powered Zone 3 *Bi-Amp & BTL Capable *Dual Push-Pull Amp with 3 stage inverted I will be looking to purchase either the 875 or the 905 (the specs look very enticing) to replace my current Onkyo NR801. I was going to hold out until the new Yamaha is released later this year (Nov/Dec?) to compare them all feature/performance wise. Hopefully some reviews for the new Onkyo's will surface around July/August this year. My current amp has performed very well since i purchased it in 2004 - the only shame is it doesn't upconvert and does not have any HDMI inputs. Power wise and quality build - i can't fault it. Considering we usually get ripped off with AVR prices in Aus - does anyone have a best guess what the MSRP of $1599 USD will translate in Aussie $? (Hopefully not $3000+, given the record high for the Aussie dollar at the moment) I would imagine that given the $1599 is the full retail price in USD, it will probably realistically sell for around $1300-1450USD... Is there a chance we would perhaps see the 875 sell for around the $2000-2250 mark in stores here? The upcoming replacement for the Rx2700 is going to have some stiff competition, especially if the new Yamaha doesn't include support for the new HD audio formats.... Looking forward to the new range of HD enabled AVR's. Hopefully before they arrive, Blu-ray / HD DVD players will finally allow DTS HD-MA and Dolby TruHD signal to be output over HDMI so we can fully enjoy the HD experience.
cwt Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 So back on topic, has anybody heard when the 605 and above will be here in Australia?I assume there are lots of other people with positive Onkyo ownership stories? Are you hanging out for something like this or are you happy with the "why you don't need HDMI 1.3 and TrueHD" argument? Muzzer ;leaving aside the whole 1.3 amp argument; It will pay to compare the quality of the decoders here.I dont know the standard used in the midrange amp models but the toshiba player has very good 32 bit sharc analog devices I read at avs forums.As in all amps the higher models get the better chips.Why the onkyo txnr1000 gets standard 24/192 dac's and the equivalent integra gets upgraded wolfsohns ;costs more
Muzzer Posted April 12, 2007 Author Posted April 12, 2007 I agree. The D to A processing is very important and I'll be keen to see any reviews on the Onkyo and Denon receivers with all this when they come out. All the connectivity and processing and heavy specs shouldn't sway us off what's really important in a receiver and that's audio quality. Pitty it's really hard to do direct comparisons of receivers these days as switching systems in retailers shops don't seem to cater for it and that's the only way to really compare for audio quality. With the same speakers and input source. I'll be looking at and evaluating the Onkyo's, Denon and maybe NAD when they come out. I'd love to have a receiver that did all the surround stuff really well but also played CD's in stereo really well! My Rotel reeiver failed a while ago and I went back to an AR stereo amp while it was being fixed. The quality in stereo was much better on the AR....
Basil1503559642 Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 So back on topic, has anybody heard when the 605 and above will be here in Australia?I assume there are lots of other people with positive Onkyo ownership stories? Are you hanging out for something like this or are you happy with the "why you don't need HDMI 1.3 and TrueHD" argument? Hi Off Topic i know but after using and selling Onkyo gear for many Years i was making the Point that i agree with deflepper that Kazz's problem is probaly compatibility between Amp and Speakers. One thing Onkyo can do is make an Amp.,the clicking is probaly a protection circuit clicking on/off, not enough of a problem to shut the Amp. down completely, all it takes is 1 strand of speaker wire shorting out to cause this, being hard wired(no X-over) the Dali Speakers may also be the cause. As far as the new Models go i'll be interested in the reviews myself. Regards Basil
Volunteer Kazz Posted April 14, 2007 Volunteer Posted April 14, 2007 Hi Off Topic i know but after using and selling Onkyo gear for many Years i was making the Point that i agree with deflepper that Kazz's problem is probaly compatibility between Amp and Speakers. One thing Onkyo can do is make an Amp.,the clicking is probaly a protection circuit clicking on/off, not enough of a problem to shut the Amp. down completely, all it takes is 1 strand of speaker wire shorting out to cause this, being hard wired(no X-over) the Dali Speakers may also be the cause. As far as the new Models go i'll be interested in the reviews myself. Regards Basil The Dali speakers are not the cause, as I said I had the problem long before I got them. Anyway the point is moot now as I have changed over to a Marantz receiver and all is well now.
cwt Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 The Dali speakers are not the cause, as I said I had the problem long before I got them. Anyway the point is moot now as I have changed over to a Marantz receiver and all is well now. Kazz;Onkyo have always had aggresive amp protection circuits .The trouble with speakers that are nominally rated at 8 ohms ;is that the impedance curve can drop below 4 ohms at some frequencies;as Basil says.The sony speakers are probably similarly hard to drive.Thankfully your marantz either has greater current reserves or a lower protection threshold Ime guessing the dali's dont have high spl's?
Volunteer Kazz Posted April 15, 2007 Volunteer Posted April 15, 2007 Kazz;Onkyo have always had aggresive amp protection circuits .The trouble with speakers that are nominally rated at 8 ohms ;is that the impedance curve can drop below 4 ohms at some frequencies;as Basil says.The sony speakers are probably similarly hard to drive.Thankfully your marantz either has greater current reserves or a lower protection threshold Ime guessing the dali's dont have high spl's? I don't have an SPL meter but the specs for the speakers on the Dali site say "Maximum SPL [dB] 110", not sure if this is high or not as I am not that technical.
Wilco1503560275 Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 a rat race, we are constantly in with technology. how i hate it!!! only 2years ago i purchased a new 601 when the 602 was the norm. then i sat myself on a piece of rock and watched as the 03's, 04's, 74's and now, 05's with 75's of the onkyo range roll out in another short short year. i just wonder how they number the correct amounts of units produced per class to build before they decide to make new units in another 2mths time per se. kazz, re your 803, sorri u had so much problems with it, but what cwt is saying is probably right, if not dead on. i have a pair of jbl's that are 6ohms. xti40's they are, and my onkyo does sometimes do weird things on them, ie shut off in a middle of a song etc. although the 601 says min 6ohm speakers, specs are one thing, choosing the correct speaker combo is another. the 803 is an reliable machine, and looking @ ambertech and omni (singapore onkyo distro) records, only 8 have ever been reportedly faulty in some minor way - and this is between australia and singapore. usually middle to flagship receivers go fault free in their operational lives (2 to 15years). just curious what is with the black strip design on the avrs?!?!? im gobble smacked regarding the looks...
cwt Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 I don't have an SPL meter but the specs for the speakers on the Dali site say "Maximum SPL [dB] 110", not sure if this is high or not as I am not that tecnical. Ime no expert on this Kazz ;but specs are sometimes inflated to impress. I do know that 110db spl is extremely high and most loudspeakers would struggle for even 105 db at say 3 metres.This would be with high efficiency horn loaded speakers; not regular cone drivers like the dali's As wilco implies the real test of an amp is how much higher a wattage it puts out as you drive lower impedance 6 ohm speakers - especially 5 or 7 channel outputs.If the wattage sags into 5 speakers the amps power supply is not much chop
Volunteer Kazz Posted April 15, 2007 Volunteer Posted April 15, 2007 Ime no expert on this Kazz ;but specs are sometimes inflated to impress. I do know that 110db spl is extremely high and most loudspeakers would struggle for even 105 db at say 3 metres.This would be with high efficiency horn loaded speakers; not regular cone drivers like the dali's As wilco implies the real test of an amp is how much higher a wattage it puts out as you drive lower impedance 6 ohm speakers - especially 5 or 7 channel outputs.If the wattage sags into 5 speakers the amps power supply is not much chop Testing out different speakers with the unit was not one of the suggestions made by ambertech so I didn't really even think of it. Never mind as I now have the Marantz and no probs I suppose I will never know what the problem was although it must have been a peculiarity to the Onkyo as I also never had probs with the old Sony I had or my previous Panasonic which my son now has and which I used while the Onkyo was away being looked at. As I said I am not really all that technical so some of the specifics go over my head although I have learned quite a bit since joining this forum. So thanks for everyones input.
Wilco1503560275 Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 so...just wondering...what r all your thoughts on the new onkyo 07 range? mine are...the black strip looks ODD and i hate it how only some products (very very limited might i add) are available in gold, in australia. hate, with a capital C!!!! i dont particularly like silver as most things in silver look takkie, cheapo and just...not worth staring at? rant over.
cwt Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 so...just wondering...what r all your thoughts on the new onkyo 07 range?mine are...the black strip looks ODD and i hate it how only some products (very very limited might i add) are available in gold, in australia. hate, with a capital C!!!! i dont particularly like silver as most things in silver look takkie, cheapo and just...not worth staring at? Exactly Wilco ;my old tx ds989 was a nice 'champagne gold' - understated but expensive looking-now Ime stuck with black
Wilco1503560275 Posted April 18, 2007 Posted April 18, 2007 Exactly Wilco ;my old tx ds989 was a nice 'champagne gold' - understated but expensive looking-now Ime stuck with black onkyo has segmented australia as a "different" market. but everyone else gets GOLD! why cant we!!! there is a solution to that though, buy from singapore...but warranty of course will be a royal pain in the a$$.
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