rocky88 Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 I am existing Foxtel subscriber and I just moved to a brand new 2-storey house (rental). I called them to install in at the new property and some guy from Foxtel came today to install it. But the problem is that when he got on the roof he couldn't access cavity in the walls, because the house has pretty flat roof and the cavity in the walls is covered with the roofing. Because property is rental he couldn't just tear of the roof to access the cavity and put in the cables and then fix it back. The alternative he proposed is to put conduits outside on the walls, which my landlord doesn't like either. My landlord is still looking at the house plans trying to find a way to do this a clean way, but I was wondering if there's a wireless solution that would replace coaxial cables (if that's not too sci-fi). For example you plug in cable from the satellite dish into satellite signal sender and plug satellite signal receiver into foxtel stb (and I don't mean av senders/receivers). Hope something like that exists. I'm also dissappointed people that build brand new houses don't do Foxtel wiring in luxurious houses. I mean... anyone that could afford this house could easily afford foxtel. And I'm not the last person renting this place that will want Foxtel. Not to mention free-to-air shutdown in early 10's (next decade).
cyril Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 There is no "wireless" solution I am afraid. Dont forget that when you do work out how to get the cables in you will need two, to ensure full IQ functionality. You are right about building developers, some are just given bad advise. My neighbour has recently done a set of beachfront apartments, each selling around the $2m a piece. It wasnt till I dropped in to see how they were going that I pointed out that there was no cat5/6 network cabling, and only one TV coax in the lounge that had been run to a seperate roof point for each apartment. He invited a meeting between myself the electrical contractors, it would seem these guys had absolutely no idea. Luckly for him the wall linings had stalled due to a builder supply issue, which gave the electrical contractors time to fit 10 cat6 cables per apartment and dual coaxs to all living and bedroom areas and a cental coax distribution point installed and a cat6 patch bay in each apartment. The cost for doing all this was portions of a percent of the apartment sale prices. Cyril
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 He invited a meeting between myself the electrical contractors, Good job cyril. A solution exists for getting H and V across a single cable drop simultaenously in circumstances where dual drops aren't possible if people find themselves in that situation too.
cyril Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Yeah a stacker can be deployed, but if you can get one cable you can get two, saves alot of hardware. Cyril
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Not always! At a certain MDU that shall remain nameless, whoever put the cabling for sat in fed it naked (what an amazingly stupid thing to do!) through walls that were then concrete back filled. Another cable run was/is simply not possible.
nico6 Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 ...Because property is rental he couldn't just tear of the roof to access the cavity and put in the cables and then fix it back. ... Lifting the roofing material is a common practice in a flat roof to run cables. Won't your landlord agree to this? lf it's sheet metal it doesn't have to come all the way off in most cases... and refixes without issue - wouldn't even know it's been done.
Twisty Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 Lifting the roofing material is a common practice in a flat roof to run cables. Won't your landlord agree to this? lf it's sheet metal it doesn't have to come all the way off in most cases... and refixes without issue - wouldn't even know it's been done. hi there all Just had the same problem, got up on the roof and had to pull up 2 lots of cliplock because the foxtel lad could not see down my cavity.
mtv Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 If the iron is nailed, instead of tek-screwed, it's a problem as getting the nails out can kink the sheets. You then have to use tek screws when you put the sheet back as the nails are usually bent and nails wont hold the sheet down as well as they did before. Then you have one sheet on the roof that looks different to the rest. I've had a few nightmare jobs on homes with cathedral ceilings, where I've had to lift almost an entire side of a roof (iron plus insulation) and drill holes in every truss for the cables.
Twisty Posted April 14, 2007 Posted April 14, 2007 Hi there rocky88 Is your wall cavity internal or external, mine was external at the rear of my property with a commanding view, and the foxtel lad obviously suffered from some form of acrophobia.
ShadySoldier Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 the foxtel lad obviously suffered from some form of acrophobia. Why would you be an electrician if your scared of spiders??? lol
tomohawk Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 Why would you be an electrician if your scared of spiders??? lol That's arachnophobia. acrophobia is an irrational fear of heights.
tomohawk Posted April 15, 2007 Posted April 15, 2007 Not to mention free-to-air shutdown in early 10's (next decade). There is no free to air shutdown planned! The ANALOGUE free to air system is being shut down (2011 if i recall correctly), but the digital FTA system will be here for a long time.
rocky88 Posted April 20, 2007 Author Posted April 20, 2007 There's still no progress here. The guys from foxtel got my landlord's phone number, but I don't know whether they have called him or whatever happened. I guess they didn't do anything. On the roof of the house there's already an antenna. Is there a way to unplug the cable from antenna (aerial) and plug it into a satellite dish? Is the cable for aerial TV compatible with satellite dish? (I know, I'm desperate). Lifting the roofing material is a common practice in a flat roof to run cables. Won't your landlord agree to this? lf it's sheet metal it doesn't have to come all the way off in most cases... and refixes without issue - wouldn't even know it's been done. Thanks, I gonna check the building plans. Unfortunately the landlord seems very sceptic and doesn't like an idea of anything being done on the building. Plus- I just contacted him once (I usually communicate with him through real estate agency - he doesn't really want to be bothered with his tennants). But I gonna see what I can do. I gonna see if I have a ladder high enough to climb on the roof and see the situation myself. Although the technician guy said that the roofing over cavity is all glued together or whatever... hi there all Just had the same problem, got up on the roof and had to pull up 2 lots of cliplock because the foxtel lad could not see down my cavity. Foxtel installers just can't do anything by themselves if they're not pointed to the right direction by the customer. I've had foxtel installed a couple of times now and each time the same annoying British guy (from Adelaide) told me it's gonna be impossible. This time he seemed serious. Too bad I have to deal each time with the same idiot. There is no free to air shutdown planned! The ANALOGUE free to air system is being shut down (2011 if i recall correctly), but the digital FTA system will be here for a long time. So we will still use antennas instead of cables? Is your wall cavity internal or external You mean external as conduit?
nico6 Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 ...Although the technician guy said that the roofing over cavity is all glued together or whatever... Hmmm, glue? Could be a water-proof membrane then, and in such a case they would be right to be careful with it.
Kiwiconehead Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 irrational fear of heights. Nothing irrational about it, the higher it is the bigger splat you'll make - that's perfectly rational.
Hosko Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 I had the same problem at my place getting access from the roof, the installer just ran a cable down the side of the house and straight into the bedroom. The key to this being done was not telling the landlord The original install was run from the roof to the bottom floor on the outside wall as well due to a massive concrete slab between the 1st and 2nd floor.
rocky88 Posted April 21, 2007 Author Posted April 21, 2007 Can someone answer this question? Is there a way to unplug the cable from antenna (aerial) and plug it into a satellite dish? Is the cable for aerial TV compatible with satellite dish? (I know, I'm desperate).
llama_boi Posted April 21, 2007 Posted April 21, 2007 Can someone answer this question? Depends on the quality of the cable. It's meant to be RG6 cable. Also depends on whether the cable runs straight to the roof with no splitter in between. How antenna points do you have?
rocky88 Posted April 23, 2007 Author Posted April 23, 2007 I guess there's a splitter in between because there are two outlets in the house. I just checked the plans of the building and found out that the house has these things: http://www.homesite.com.au/rebuild-extend/...d_and_174-steel over the cavity. And from what I understand there is roughcast around it which makes it hard to remove them.
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