sillygit Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 A few comments (noting that I have both consoles); * I prefer the 360 controllers, the ps3 controllers are to small for me * I have a 46" 1080p TV, the ps3 looks far better than the 360 * I would have to agree that, unless you're a big tekken or gran turismo fan, there isn't really much point in getting a ps3 yet (you'd have to fight me to the death to get me to give mine up) * It feels to me that MS is cranking out consoles every few years (how long was it between the xbox and the xbox 360?) and now the elite, I don't like it... * if you want to watch HD content you're going to need both (at least for now), the format wars are bullshit (half the titles you want to watch are on the other format)... * I haven't really had the opportunity to check out the ps3 online play, but XBOX Live is freakin' awesome! * Out of the 7 mates who got a 360, 5 of them were DOA (Dead on Arrival). On top of that, we had 1 dodgy controller, 1 dodgy headset, 1 360 that chews up discs when standing on it's side. I think someone mentioned they trusted MS more the Sony, I just can't fathom why... In closing, get both...
-Bishop- Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 As for the DS/PSP comment, I bet there isn't a shred of evidence of it ever being said. Actually, my bad, I misquoted there, I checked my source article again, and he did not say that, I mixed up quotes with follow up comments, the joys of being dyslexic I guess... But, the comparison is still valid, Brian said the Wii was just a fad, a gimmick that people will get over, and the graphics etc of a PS3 will win out. Yet people said the exact same thing about the PSP, better graphics does more etc, but the DS has kicked it's ass, 40 million sales compared to 21 mill for the PSP, that is one hell nice result for a fad no?. I don't like his logic about the Wii in general, it's flawed, as are some of his own comments in relation to other comments made about the PS3, the following is a real Brian Hastings quote... I like Nintendo a lot. I think Nintendo has innovated far more than any other company in the industry. And I think the Wii is really, really fun. But... let me relate to you a story that may sound familiar:Your friend Reggie invites you over for a Wii Party. It's awesome. You and your friends partake in whatever beverages are legally appropriate for your age group. The next day everyone who went to the party rushes out and buys a Wii. A week later Reggie hosts another Wii Party. This time only half the group comes. It's still fun, but there isn't quite as much shoving to get at the Wiimote. The next week Reggie hosts another Wii Party. You tell him you have bird flu. I mean the man obviously does think the Wii is a toy, and with the comments he has made, more so a 'kids' toy. From a PS3 biased site this comment followed his... See where he's getting at? The Wii is fun, yet childish. Once if good, the second time is all right and by the time you're invited to another of those Wii parties the man's talking about, you're at home shooting and killing on your PS2 or PS3. Then you can follow that up with Brian's reasons why he thinks the PS3 is great... 1. Home & LittleBigPlanet2. Free online 3. 50 GB games 4. Casino Royale 5. HDMI 6. Standard HDD 7. The Wii fad will fade 8. PS3 has a major CPU advantage 9. PS2 still outselling 360 10. Something for everyone Ok, cute and childish is number one on the PS3 list with LittleBigPlanet, but it's going to doom the Wii?, likewise he plays up that the PS2 is outselling the 360, could it be because it's cheap as chips?, yet according to him it certainly won't help the Wii long term, and he fails to mention that the Wii is outselling that PS2. And he still has to take those digs at the Wii, the fad will fade?, someone needs to tell Brian that fads have been know to last a good ten years or more, that's a longer life span than your average console, the Wii fad could make a laughing stock of all next gen consoles, with Nintendo laughing all the way to the bank, and possibly first into the 'next' next generation of console. Yeah, I know, I'm still in rant mode, but I hate it when corporate puppets speak rubbish in an effort to prop up their own product, the guy plugging the current 360 Elite bugs me as well, but no one has been quoting him everywhere yet...
rugbyrene Posted April 13, 2007 Author Posted April 13, 2007 Does anyone know what the RRP of the Elite system will be and when it will be released in Aus?
bigblue Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 That hasn't been announced yet. should be $749 from what ive been told, no games included. 1 wireless controller, universal remote and 1 month free XBL dont quote me on it but will be very surprised if its different to the above. also dont expect it until june-july for australia...
palmag Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 also dont expect it until june-july for australia... Would this translate to a price drop in the X360 premium by June - July? since there's not much difference in the premium and elite system's speculated price?
rugbyrene Posted April 13, 2007 Author Posted April 13, 2007 Would this translate to a price drop in the X360 premium by June - July? since there's not much difference in the premium and elite system's speculated price? That would make sense but who knows what will happen. At $749 plus the cost of the HD-DVD player that puts it in PS3 territory as far as price goes. So where's the incentive to buy an XBOX? Suddenly the PS3 doesn't look so expensive especially as it also has built in wireless.
-Bishop- Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Would this translate to a price drop in the X360 premium by June - July? since there's not much difference in the premium and elite system's speculated price? Don't expect any price drops until Halo 3 comes out, or maybe Christmas, and even then don't bet on it, MS are not exactly worried about their price structure at the moment, they already skipped one price reduction, the joys of no real competition in the market. I don't know why people keep banging on with all that "and with the cost of the HD-DVD it's close to the cost of a PS3" crap, the 360 was built as a f-ing games console, get over it, only Sony 'forced' a duel purpose machine on everyone. So far based on the sales figures I could find for the HD-DVD add on, only .5% of 360 owners have bought a HD-DVD accessory, so comparisons based on adding it refer to a huge .5% of buyers at this stage, the comparison is invalid, stop making it, people 'want' a games machine, bugger all people want a HD player.
attilathepun Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 only Sony 'forced' a duel purpose machine on everyone. is that a machine for dueling? So far based on the sales figures I could find for the HD-DVD add on, only .5% of 360 owners have bought a HD-DVD accessory, so comparisons based on adding it refer to a huge .5% of buyers at this stage, the comparison is invalid, stop making it, people 'want' a games machine, bugger all people want a HD player. Fair enough, but at $750, it is still becomes only a couple of games cheaper than a PS3 and as time goes on, more people probably will want a HD player. I have both, so I don't have a dog in this fight
nonny Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Fast reply. Buy an Xbox 360... I wouldnt even bother waiting for the Elite unless you really must use HDMI over Component/VGA and right now the only reason you'd do that is if you want upscaling and 1080p output for films/video media and your display doesnt support that over VGA. Also you dont even need the 120GB HDD in the Elite if you're going to stream media via MCE/Vista anyway... its only viable for download content if MS ever bring its TV/Video service to Australia. At the moment whilst the PS3 is a good machine its too expensive in comparison given the wealth of games on offer on the 360 and the Xbox LIVE service is still the benchmark Sony is trying to beat... I still think the jury is out on the PS3 as well. It isnt selling well despite what Sony wants the media to think. They've just canned the 20GB model of the PS3 in the US and in the UK only 3 weeks after launch the sales are tapering off very fast. I think most of this can be attributed to the fact that there is a distinct lack of quality games available right now at launch with very little quality down the line. Of course the 360 had this to contend with as well but at the time it was first to market with no direct competition. Couple that with HD-DVD doing well in the European market and the comparison choice for most consumers is making the PS3 a tough option right now. In the end it depends what you are personally getting one for. If you love games, online play and have a media centre PC then just grab a 360 now... if you want a Blu-Ray player, have a 1080p capable display and are prepared to wait it out for more quality games then grab a PS3. Also if you like waving your hands around frantically in front of your closest relatives grab a Wii while your there! That said, right now... I am hooked on Guitar Hero II on the 360... lovin' it. It's brought some much needed party titles to the console (where PS2 had Singstar, Buzz, Guitar Hero etc..)
attilathepun Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 That said, right now... I am hooked on Guitar Hero II on the 360... lovin' it. It's brought some much needed party titles to the console (where PS2 had Singstar, Buzz, Guitar Hero etc..) I think those titles are one of the reasons why the PS2 outsold the 360 as recently as January this year. At the current price point, people are picking them up for party games, much like the appeal of the Wii (which outsold them all).
-Bishop- Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 is that a machine for dueling? Duelling consoles, I can just see it now, people smashing each other over the heads with their PS3's, bad typo funny image...
momaw Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 I really like my PS3, it is quite as a mouse compared to the 360 hovercraft sound. I can see the potential for it to exceed the graphical capabilities of the 360. It is easy to use and online play is free (for now). That said, I hate (and I can't stress the hate enough) the sixaxis controller. It feels and acts unnatural. The 360 controller sh!ts all over it. Basically, if I could get a decent range of games and a decent controller (with rumble) it would be my preference. I just wish the xbox was a few decibels quieter - like living under a flight path But with its games advantage you can't really go past it at present if you will only have one console. That said, I don't see the elite as value for money. HDMI on the 360 adds nothing (unless you actually have a 1080P display as it does 1080i over component). The 120gb HDD likewise doesn't really add anything. Until we get a movie download service it is just space you won't use. Besides, you can stream from an attached pc's HDD.
Gino Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Haven't tried streaming from an attached PC's HDD... you're referring to an external USB drive? What sorts of files/codecs does it support via this method?
momaw Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Haven't tried streaming from an attached PC's HDD... you're referring to an external USB drive? What sorts of files/codecs does it support via this method? no I meant through media centre using media centre extender. Although I gather you could probably run them off a usb hdd too. It only supports Window media format but you can get software that does an on the fly conversion to this format for divx. Personally I just watch any divx material on my oppo DV981HD. You can stream music of most format though off an attached pc and I have steamed music from USB drives too.
amplificated Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 They've just canned the 20GB model of the PS3 in the US and in the UK only 3 weeks after launch the sales are tapering off very fast. Hate to nitpick, but the 20gb was never released anywhere but Japan and the US, so the UK never had it in other words (edit: my mistake, 2 separate comments) As seems to be the general opinion, the Elite is largely a waste of money for reasons already stated. And in my opinion, the 360's games card doesn't look like it's going to be holding out much longer once the PS3 starts getting off the ground (probably late '07/early '08). As much as Sony seems to be losing exclusives (to becoming multiplatform), the 360 never had many to begin with. By the end of this generation I think the PS3's online service will be on par with Live in terms of content and usability, so I'm not sure about the long-term benefits of owning a 360. It has a handful of top quality games, but beyond Halo 3 I'm not too sure of what's in store for the 360's exclusive games list compared with the PS3. That said, I'm going to buy a PS3 when the chips are manufactured with a 65nm process - won't just be cheaper, but will use less energy also Speaking of online however, I truly think it's an almost worthless addition - both allow you to download system updates and demos/games, that's all that I'd care about; and Sony's service is free (at least for the most part, anyway). Playing games is complete ****. I felt quite burned by the hype around Halo 2 and "multiplayer!" Never in Australia will there be enough people casually playing online console games enough to develop into anything half way to being worthwhile for us. And FPS' homeground will ALWAYS be the PC I for one will never pay for an online console service again unless something truly miraculous happens. So add that to Sony's good list: you don't have to pay for system updates. Live is a huge cashwhore for M$, and I don't know why people love it so much - in this regard I think it's been a huge to-do by the gaming media, and I'm sick of it. Don't know why the Australian media has been taken with it either, feels like they're just trying to follow the US' lead... there is no way the majority of Live games are worth anyones time, as nearly all games result in having at least 250 ping. Sure there are functions that are held by the Aus. Xbox Live community, but you can't just sit down and have a casual enjoyable game without some severe game-ruining lag. Not only that, but it took me 15-20 minutes on the phone to cancel the damn service, largely because the American operator couldn't understand my gamertag. Had to use the phone as my Xbox didn't have the ability to cancel from the dashboard, nor could it have been handled by email since they didn't respond to the one I sent to their support service :/ One last thing: I have no ****ing idea of why there is so much "Sony hate", everywhere it seems. I for one have never had an issue with Sony hardware and I don't think I'm stupid enough to think their software will be the "best" either They have always made quality products, bar a few minor exceptions, and yet for some reason, Microsoft, the "Evil Empire" are somehow the good guys in the console war? Forgive me if I have a hard time understanding this!
momaw Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 read the comment you quoted earlier again, it does not actually refer to the 20gb being in the uk, but rather the fact that "PS3" sales (ie 60gb) in the UK have tapered off. it should be read: "They've just canned the 20GB model of the PS3 in the US........................and......................in the UK only 3 weeks after launch the sales are tapering off very fast." Two separate statements joined by an "and" (I agree it was poorly expressed and required correct punctuation and sentence structure - but I digress) Are you kidding on the games front? Nearly all the PS3's exclusives have jumped ship and gone neutral and will also be on the 360. The fact is games makers are in the business to sell games and to do that people need to own consoles. This is why game makers are abandoning the PS3 in droves with it's non existent user base that is not going to catch the 360 anytime soon and the fact it is a nightmare to program for. Personally I think Halo is overrated. It is not the only thing the 360 has going for it games wise. I'm hanging out for PS3 exclusives like Assassins Creed and GTA IV - opps wait, now they are coming to xbox (and rumour has it they will hit that format first due to porting issues). Sony screwed themselves and gave the 360 too big a lead. It now has the user base that makes it the game makers preferred format. Which means most big games will come to the PS3 as 360 ports. with quality being the same, the price differential will be exaggerated and the 360 will continue to outsell. Now as far as games consoles go, I have no love for the xbox. My xbox 1 was crap and died quickly, my 360 is noisy as hell and crashes. By contrast my psone was the best console I ever had. I loved my PS2. But I really think they messed up this time cause no matter how good the PS3 is, they are so far behind and cost so much more I can't see them catching up this round. Ironically it may be Blu-ray that saves the ps3 and not the other way around as those who bought it as a blu-ray player may decide to play a game or two. Even myself who bought it as a blu-ray player am now using it for games. Without the blu-ray I would not have bought it at all and settled for my current 360 warts and all because it offers all the games I want at a cheaper price and with the same graphics (due to ps3 getting ports). But even so, I am still dissapointed with the PS3 for gaming due to the sixaxis and for that reason alone will probably choose the 360 version of games until logitech (or some other 3rd party) release a decent controller for the PS3. At that stage, and only then, will it probably be the version I buy first for. Did I mention how much I hate the sixaxis? small cheap feeling too light crap button configuration dodgy trigger piece of #@%&. I'm sure most dismiss my comments as a Sony hater and Blu-ray hater / HD-DVD lover, but previously I have been discussing the HD issue. On the gaming issue, I have in the past firmly been a PS man. I would prefer a PS over an xbox, but I am forced to admit, MS seem to have got it right this time and Sony, not so much, despite the potential of the PS3. I think it has gone past the point of the most powerful will win. Oh yeah, and the gamecube rocked!!
amplificated Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Updated my post, and I apologise for not getting the original posts intention And while the 360 has 157,000 or so consoles sold in Australia, I think in a years time we'll see similar (if not more) figures for the PS3, taking into account the price. It can sell on brand name alone, and there are some games that are really going to be able to provide some positive spin for the console. Lair, Warhawk, MGS4, and Heavenly Sword are all scheduled for release this year amongst a few others I can't recall off the top of my head. Yet for the 360 Halo 3 is the only thing I can think of as a big exclusive title. And if you read my edit, you'll see I'm not exactly a Halo fan myself! Actually on second thought, I think there are a few others, but I don't have any interest in them whatsoever - Bioshock (better on PC), Mass Effect, Too Human... makes me go "meh", though I'm sure other people would like these titles. Also, I heard some talk of MGS going to 360 in this thread and I didn't see that it was covered, but in the last couple of weeks the games' designer Hideo Kojima confirmed that it was... NOT going multiplatform! (though guess what! I hate MGS too! ) I personally prefer the SIXAXIS/Dualshock style controller, mainly because I think having a D-pad in the location as it is on the 360/gamecube is ****ing utterly stupid. Just replace it with 4 buttons or something, it is the most unnatural place to having a d-pad ever; whereas a joystick in the same location works just great - ala PS(x) controllers. The 360's is much better than the original Xbox's though. Also I'm one of the people that never gave a damn about rumble. It's good/useful in racing games, but everything else it a) doesn't help, and is B ) barely noticeable because you're probably too immersed in the game. It's just messy and seriously I only notice it in cutscenes in games such as Devil may Cry as I put the controller down on the floor, hear this rumble and think "wt..oh, ****in' controller "
-Bishop- Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 I just wish the xbox was a few decibels quieter - like living under a flight path But with its games advantage you can't really go past it at present if you will only have one console.That said, I don't see the elite as value for money. HDMI on the 360 adds nothing (unless you actually have a 1080P display as it does 1080i over component). The 120gb HDD likewise doesn't really add anything. Until we get a movie download service it is just space you won't use. Besides, you can stream from an attached pc's HDD. I own a version 1.0 Xbox, I tolerated the noise until the GPU fan started to wear out, then it was like there was a helicopter taking off in my lounge room... Are you trying to make some peoples heads explode? People bagged the 360 in comparison to the PS3 because it did not come with HDMI and had a tiny hard drive, now people are saying it's pointless?, I love it when reasoning makes no sense... I also love statements like "the PS3 will take off late 2007 to early 2008", yeah by which time the 360 will have had a 'two' year head start on the industry! likewise people talk up "when the PS3 whatever thing comes down in price", err yeah by which stage the 360 will have as well, probably by more, and MS is apparently coming close to making profit and not loss from it's product, partly due to them not having to lower the price yet, it's been suggest that by 2008 it will be party time for MS. Sorry Sony fans, the PS3 missed the boat, the 360 will now always have more games and be cheaper, the PS will live on, but if you expect it to lead this generation I'm afraid it will take a retailing miracle. When I did a recent loooooong read into console specs, the 360 has a huge programming advantage in games at the moment, the details give me a headache, but it basically means your not going to see many games do anything better on the PS3 unless it was specifically designed for the PS3, and with the 360 leading the market in numbers, you would be mad to dedicate programming for a PS3 over the 360 unless you have some exclusive with Sony, and those are all going out the window at the moment...
-Bishop- Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 And while the 360 has 157,000 or so consoles sold in Australia, I think in a years time we'll see similar (if not more) figures for the PS3, taking into account the price. Ok, why do all the Sony guys keep saying "taking into account the price difference"?, you can't have a special dispensation from the Pope just because your product costs more. Numbers are numbers regardless of pricing, look at every single "next gen" site that lists sales, all number of all next gen consoles are listed equally, there is no special adjustment for 'cost', often some tweaking based on time in the market, but never cost, what is winning is usually winning regardless of cost. I know Sony started that price spin on numbers game, but someone needs to **** slap the Sony marketing department before it really gets out of hand, or someone's going to release a $5000 console soon, and starts saying it's outselling the other based on some form of cost adjustment...
amplificated Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Only time will tell about that ^ It's the content, and while it seems the 360 has the majority now, it's still "plagued" by games that have the same white-teen-male vibe. I don't think it will ever be as viable as a mainstream device as the PlayStation - which I think will always have the edge in having diverse content, and not just that, but the party games such as SingStar, Buzz, Eyetoy, as well as Guitar Hero (Xbox only really has the latter in that kind of genre). A lot of people have bought the PS2 for those games, can't imagine it stopping for the PS3. Despite the edge in programming, it seems a lot of devs also think the PS3 is great to develop for in any case. The devs who created Ninja Gaiden Sigma actually said that the only reason anyone has said that it is hard to make games for are making excuses for not being able to create something decent. NJS has much improved graphics over the original, running in 1080p with self shadowing running at 60fps. Check out some screens, it looks really good. I won't say that the 360 is a gimped machine, it's powerful, but to me it lacks that "something" that makes it special. Plus the noise is a big turnoff for me! Never liked the last generation of consoles for all being so noisy edit: I said taking account for the price, because it means that I think the same or similar figures can be reached - even though the price is higher - which means people are willing to spend more for a PS3 than a 360... which is cheaper. So basically, you can compare one thing with another despite inherent differences which can be... accounted for! tada! ps: I think I must be in love with the smiley or something!!
amplificated Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 I just know too much about the damn consoles and prefer the PS3
hotchilli Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 Someone said that the Elite is a waste of money because with the purchase of a cable you can run 1080i on a standard 360 as opposed to 1080p on the Elite.....is the difference between 1080i and 1080p going to be very noticable??
-Bishop- Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 I said taking account for the price, because it means that I think the same or similar figures can be reached - even though the price is higher - which means people are willing to spend more for a PS3 than a 360... which is cheaper. So basically, you can compare one thing with another despite inherent differences which can be... accounted for! tada!ps: I think I must be in love with the smiley or something!! So you really think the PS3 can catch up and equal 360 sales, even though it's cheapest version is now twice the price of the base model 360, and for the most part you will be able to play the exact same games on either console?
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