wapping Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Have you noticed how a year ago when we complained about the poor picture quality we were crazy wingers. Now as everybody dumps their CRT they join the "crazy club". With about the first five topics refering to the poor quality picture do you think Foxtel are taking note? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forumite1503560776 Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Have you noticed how a year ago when we complained about the poor picture quality we were crazy wingers.Now as everybody dumps their CRT they join the "crazy club". With about the first five topics refering to the poor quality picture do you think Foxtel are taking note? Of course they are not worried as the majority who complain on here will always complain no matter what. They also think Foxtel is rubbish in whatever they do but still subscribe Foxtel popularity is growing, they are getting less churn and more sign-ups so they are happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrocker Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I doubt they are taking too much notice yet. However as the FTA channels show more and more in the way of HD programs and the chorus of complaints about their (Foxtel) very poor PQ increases they will have to do something. SD from Foxtel would be a good start. The US Masters looked great on Ten (WS HD) but the highlights on Foxtel looked awful and they were 4:3 as well. I don't know what they are thinking; it's the year 2007 not the 1970's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterpack Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 um no, we make up a tiny tiny tiny percentage of Foxtel's subscribers Most are John and Jane Public with their 68cm TVs happily enjoying their Foxtel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_marcelo Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I agree, SD from foxtel would be a great start ....... specially the movie channels, they need to increase the Bitrate and start broadcasting more movies in 5.1 .... not only the main blockbusters on showtime..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWinter Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I still think they have taken note of complaints about picture quality and are planning to fix this in the future - Kim Williams eluded to this in his speach to the ASTRA people... When they get the new satellite up they will have no more excuses about bandwidth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 When they get the new satellite up they will have no more excuses about bandwidth. They don't really have any valid excuses (capacity-wise) on C1 right now. Foxtel/Austar have more or less built a nice big brick wall by installing shared single polarity multidwelling installations (ie, being cheap). If this hadn't been done and everyone on sat could receive both H and V, they'd be 'swimming' in capacity. As it is there are (or were last time I looked) quite a few H muxes with space to spare. Why not use that space to improve the PQ of the channels on that mux, or shuffle programs around between muxes to take better advantage of existing capacity? To pick a specific example of a channel that doesn't make sense, take SCIFI. Typically SCIFI is averaging between 3 and 3.5Mbit/sec. For Foxtel this is quite a high bitrate and is usually only seen with their 16:9 channels. SCIFI is a 4:3 channel. Despite this 'high' bitrate, SCIFI still gets whacked with a very large dose of picture preprocessing. Why not reduce the amount of 'special Foxtel picture treatment' for SCIFI and allow the quality for it to float up a bit to make better use of the existing bit allocation for SCIFI (or better yet, make it 16:9!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BribieG Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Up to about 5 years ago I had Optus, but moved to a non cable area and haven't had pay tv since. It was always my intention to go back to Pay eventually, but in the meantime have moved on to an HD television and Foxtel / Optus have gone digital, and I have been totally appalled by the PQ displayed at the plasmas at the 'kiosks' in shopping centres. On the old 21 inch CRT with the teak trims and fake gold knobs, Optus (analogue of course) looked just as good as FTA. However with the present setup I have no intention of signing up to Foxtel until the PQ at least equals SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewT Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 seriously you people who complain about Foxtel PQ just want to find something to complain about, and must sit there analysing every program looking for defects so you can rattle off to everyone else about them.... I ordered Foxtel about 4 weeks ago and then started reading these threads, I was seriously crapping myself about how I would be wasting my money but when it got installed all my fears were eased the PQ is great Your not buying it for its PQ, your buying it for the content......if you wanna sit there are watch a FTA show purely for its PQ even though its a crap show then go for it, but i will stick to watching my live sport, movies and shows on foxtel in SD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 seriously you people who complain about Foxtel PQ just want to find something to complain about, and must sit there analysing every program looking for defects so you can rattle off to everyone else about them.... Riiiight. Discovery channel looks sooo supa excellent that I can't believe my eyes!!!!!!!!!! WOW! UKTV looks supa excellent too!!!!! Maybe its time to upgrade your 34cm colour CRT set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewT Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Riiiight. Discovery channel looks sooo supa excellent that I can't believe my eyes!!!!!!!!!! WOW! UKTV looks supa excellent too!!!!! Maybe its time to upgrade your 34cm colour CRT set? Didnt say it was excellent, what I am saying is it aint anywhere near as bad as what you guys make out....and no, i am not watching it on a CRT, its the panasonic 42 inch plasma. Your right though, its not worth watching.....instead of watching the World Cup cricket, or the English Premier League, I may just spend my weekend watching the 7HD Loop......that would be way better..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Didnt say it was excellent Ah good. So it looks like you do accept that their are quality issues on Foxtel. Thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewT Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Ah good. So it looks like you do accept that their are quality issues on Foxtel. Thanks for clearing that up. No.....there are no issues as far as I am concerned...its not claimed to be in HD....i did not expect it to be excellent PQ, its good like i expected. My point is that you guys judge what shows you watch by PQ, not content... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 My point is that you guys judge what shows you watch by PQ, not content... Really? I can't recall seeing a Foxtel thread where we have all stated that we are turning off in disgust at the PQ. Perhaps you can point me to a selection of threads that show this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forumite1503560776 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 No.....there are no issues as far as I am concerned...its not claimed to be in HD....i did not expect it to be excellent PQ, its good like i expected. My point is that you guys judge what shows you watch by PQ, not content... I agree with you. I watch Foxtel through a projector or CRT. To watch English football I do have another option...to watch the game through the net on a 6inch screen that breaks up and has Chinese commentary. When the game is over I go on the net and talk about the game not the PQ!!!! Only and I mean ONLY saddos worry more about PQ than content. Not saying things cant and should (possibly) be improved, but do you think sports coaches go on the net to see who fans should sign next season...why would Foxtel execs listen to geeks who are never happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewT Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 When the game is over I go on the net and talk about the game not the PQ!!!! Only and I mean ONLY saddos worry more about PQ than content....why would Foxtel execs listen to geeks who are never happy? Both comments sum it up perfectly, couldnt have put it better myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewT Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Really? I can't recall seeing a Foxtel thread where we have all stated that we are turning off in disgust at the PQ. Perhaps you can point me to a selection of threads that show this. cant recall me saying that you did, can you point me to it??? All the threads claim the PQ is lousy....that is not correct!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldrocker Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Foxtel's PQ is garbage; period. Pehaps their motto should be 'never mind the quality feel the width.' Any FTA channel puts Foxtel to shame as far as PQ goes. CRT's are going the way of crystal sets, gas radios and silent movies. Someone should tell Foxtel; I've told my MP. Monopolies are bad news, real bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 cant recall me saying that you did, can you point me to it??? Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by ... My point is that you guys judge what shows you watch by PQ, not content... All the threads claim the PQ is lousy....that is not correct!!! Stay tuned. I'll post a sample of the 'high quality' pictures supplied by Foxtel later on today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forumite1503560776 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by ...Stay tuned. I'll post a sample of the 'high quality' pictures supplied by Foxtel later on today. PQ is subjective. What you may think is lousy and what I may think is lousy are possibly (probably) different. To me lousy is 'snowy' and unwatchable, if you find Foxtel unwatchable, save money and turn off, I certainly wouldn't spend my money on a service that is unwatchable, you obviously do, so it must be acceptable to you (although you whinge on forum that will not get things fixed). When I pay for anything that is not acceptable I go back to the supplier and tell them, if they cant do anything about it I return the product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewT Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Perhaps you could clarify what you mean by ...Stay tuned. I'll post a sample of the 'high quality' pictures supplied by Foxtel later on today. Well, you just summed it up right there.....pulling the pi$$ out of 'high quality'...... if its really that bad for yourself....dont watch it.....simple. If you judge TV shows on their PQ alone...then you need help.....I cant wait to see the pics...if its anything like the one in the other thread that compared the womens face then Im just gonna laugh, cause without studying it hard you cannot tell the difference. You guys claim that because TVs are now HD and FTA is improving then anything that does not keep up is poor. I enjoy my foxtel and the PQ is not poor like made out.......grow up pixel geeks!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 If you judge TV shows on their PQ alone...then you need help.....I cant wait to see the pics...if its anything like the one in the other thread that compared the womens face then Im just gonna laugh, cause without studying it hard you cannot tell the difference. That explains it. Clearly you are blind. No wonder you think Foxtel is the bee's knees. I won't post those pictures unless someone specifically asks. The picture I'll be posting is far far worse, even you (unless you really are blind) would have difficulty in not spotting the difference. If anyone else would like to see the pictures this poor unseeing person is referring to, let me know. The difference is quite marked. The FTA image was clearly superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forumite1503560776 Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 That explains it. Clearly you are blind. No wonder you think Foxtel is the bee's knees. I won't post those pictures unless someone specifically asks. The picture I'll be posting is far far worse, even you (unless you really are blind) would have difficulty in not spotting the difference.If anyone else would like to see the pictures this poor unseeing person is referring to, let me know. The difference is quite marked. The FTA image was clearly superior. Differnt argumnet 'The FTA image was clearly superior' If I had $1m dollars I would be worse off than if I had $2m. Having $1m doesn't make me poor. So the different PQ doesn't necessarily make one lousy, just possibly not as good as the other. If Foxtel said we will give you everything you want but to do this we will need more revenue and to get this we will either increase subs or have more ads would you be happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewT Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 That explains it. Clearly you are blind. No wonder you think Foxtel is the bee's knees. I won't post those pictures unless someone specifically asks. The picture I'll be posting is far far worse, even you (unless you really are blind) would have difficulty in not spotting the difference.If anyone else would like to see the pictures this poor unseeing person is referring to, let me know. The difference is quite marked. The FTA image was clearly superior. I presume we are talking about the post in here : Pic Post haha....if you actually think that there is a huge difference in those pics.....and that the foxtel one is 'poor PQ'.....then im not gonna bother. OK, Yes I agree that the FTA one is better(only slightly), but not far superior....not to the average person who just wants to enjoy TV without studying it. Obviously people like myself who cant see a massive difference between the 2 images (without looking clearly) are just not worthy of owning a television...... If you sit there comparing the difference between shots like the one you posted...instead of just watching the show...then that is just sad..... If you flashed both of those images for 1-2 seconds each to a room full of people, i can guarentee that probably 1% of the people would spot the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrP Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Ok. Here we go. Two frames from a popular TV show. Both are directly extracted from the network's transmitted MPEG/2. No analogue stage was involved. The Foxtel version has been bumped by two scan lines and a few dots to align it with the frame from 7 to make comparison easier (as if that's hard to tell the two apart!). The large masking area at the top and bottom was done to disguise which network is which. 7 has their watermark at the bottom right while the Foxtel channel has it at the top left. Picture 1 Picture 2 Is there anyone out there that is so visually impaired as to not be able to tell the difference between these two images? Is there anyone so visually impared* as to not be willing to guess which one is from Foxtel and which one is from 7? Unbelievably, this is not the worst example of Foxtel special Picture Quality enhancement. I just can't be arsed digging around for other examples. *AndrewT is excused from this test as clearly he is visually impaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts