Guest Posted April 8, 2007 Posted April 8, 2007 Hi, reposting in a new thread so apologies if a re-read As per title, I'm trying to buy a new tv and have pretty much narrowed it town to the Panasonic 50" 600a and Sony 46" Bravia V. Budget approx $3500 ish I'm considering the Sony with the V opposed to X because of budget constraints and personally I can't see any difference between the X and V side by side. I can live with the V's limited inputs. Usage pattern is 50/50 xbox 360 and tv/dvd. @3-4m distance depending on chair. SD quality is still a factor as I still watch a lot of Sd (tv / dvd) or heavily compressed (read: downloaded) media and i don't see this changing for several years I'm looking for a 46" + screen, my preference currently the Sony LCD but I am concerned about the blacks shadow detail. I think this is the correct term but I mean how much detail can be discerned in dark scenes. I have seen several Bravias in stores and they have all looked way too murky in dark scenes when playing a movie DVD. I could barely see any detail dark areas in the x-men BR playing. Having seen the Bravias in Sony stores, the blacks looked pretty black to me on their slo-mo demo loop. I can live with slightly greyish blacks if need be but being unable to discern details in them is another matter. My question is how much does the flouro lighting affect the image in stores? I know my existing crt tends to wash out the blacks in daylight, ie - does it look better in the home with controlled lighting and how much can it be improved by tuning - assuming the store sets were on defaults. Even here, for every user with positive views of the bravia, there are just as many plasma owners ripping them. Looking for advice on this one from the bravia owners please Also considering the Pana 50" plasma, but I can't find any plasma anywhere with a game console connected. The sales bot at a Melb HN even refused to connect a console telling me the burn in from games wrecks a plasmas in 2 hours. (crap I know) I'm really trying to buy a new tv but the misinformation from the sales bots is killing me. My preference is the LCD as from what I've seen they produce brighter, sharper more detailed images and the 360 looks sweet as a nut on it. But If muddy blacks are a permanent feature of the LCD then I will probably go with the plasma. I just which I could view one running a game console. NB, I don't consider a tv to be a long term purchase, the longest I've had one is my current 92cm Wega crt of 5 years. So I'm in it for the medium term until HDDVD/BR has settled and / or SED or other up and comers becomes mainstream Also, if anyone has any current best prices on the 'V' that would be a bonus Theres a lot of talk on the panas and Sony X but little on the 46" V Thanks for any advice.
pgdownload Posted April 8, 2007 Posted April 8, 2007 Hi Geezer, Both sets you mention are highly forum rated and either will no doubt provide 5 years of excellent service. I would question however the size of your anticipated purchase. Beyond about 42" SD starts getting a little 'pixellated' and compressed downloaded stuff even more so. I'd suggest you save a few dollars and drop the size a touch and enjoy your current viewing habits for the next 5 years. Regards Peter Gillespie
Black Dawg Down Posted April 8, 2007 Posted April 8, 2007 If you play games no longer than 2 hours per session I reckon you'd be safe from burn-in, but if longer I wouldn't risk a plasma. Especially if you have kids. To put simply, if contrast is more important to you, go plasma, but if burn-in is more an issue, go LCD.
diesel Posted April 8, 2007 Posted April 8, 2007 Spent 6 hours playing PS2 games on my Pana PX50" yesterday and not a hnt of "image retention" or "burn-in". The new models seem pretty good in this regard. However, sounds to me like you are pretty set on the Sony, (a very nice panel) so buy it. You won't be disappointed when you get it home.
Cooksta59 Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 I'm looking for a 46" + screen, my preference currently the Sony LCD but I am concerned about the blacks shadow detail. I think this is the correct term but I mean how much detail can be discerned in dark scenes. I have seen several Bravias in stores and they have all looked way too murky in dark scenes when playing a movie DVD. I could barely see any detail dark areas in the x-men BR playing. Having seen the Bravias in Sony stores, the blacks looked pretty black to me on their slo-mo demo loop. I can live with slightly greyish blacks if need be but being unable to discern details in them is another matter.My question is how much does the flouro lighting affect the image in stores? I know my existing crt tends to wash out the blacks in daylight, ie - does it look better in the home with controlled lighting and how much can it be improved by tuning - assuming the store sets were on defaults. Even here, for every user with positive views of the bravia, there are just as many plasma owners ripping them. Looking for advice on this one from the bravia owners please Also considering the Pana 50" plasma, but I can't find any plasma anywhere with a game console connected. The sales bot at a Melb HN even refused to connect a console telling me the burn in from games wrecks a plasmas in 2 hours. (crap I know) I'm really trying to buy a new tv but the misinformation from the sales bots is killing me. My preference is the LCD as from what I've seen they produce brighter, sharper more detailed images and the 360 looks sweet as a nut on it. But If muddy blacks are a permanent feature of the LCD then I will probably go with the plasma. I just which I could view one running a game console. Thanks for any advice. Hi geezer, from what I have read the lcd black levels deteriorate in darker ambient lighting conditions, see link http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?showtopic=48391 If the black levels concern you in the store then perhaps you could get a right of return if unhappy with the lcd at home? With regards to plasma I would be reluctant to connect a games console to one.I know many members say that they do but I would be careful.Especially in the first 200hours of use.having said this I have never seen any image retention on my plasma I made sure the contrast was set below 50 for those 200 hours.
butterfingers Posted April 9, 2007 Posted April 9, 2007 I'm considering the Sony with the V opposed to X because of budget constraints and personally I can't see any difference between the X and V side by side. I can live with the V's limited inputs.Thanks for any advice. the bravia "v" series 46" resolution is 1366x768 @ $4399 s.r.p the bravia "x" series 46" resolution is 1920x1080 this one also reproduces original cinema sound (apparently) @ $5799 s.r.p
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