Progressive Scan

[vasko]

Hi, progressive scan is meant to be the best quality isn't it when running component cables?

I'm using component cables from my panasonic DVD Recorder into my Samsung 32" LCD TV and the quality is shat. Its all like pixilated and stuff, when i turn progressive off it looks better.

I email Panasonic and they said Progressive is only for NTSC. Thats bull, its meant to be best isnt it?

[digitalj]

Hi, progressive scan is meant to be the best quality isn't it when running component cables?

I'm using component cables from my panasonic DVD Recorder into my Samsung 32" LCD TV and the quality is shat. Its all like pixilated and stuff, when i turn progressive off it looks better.

I email Panasonic and they said Progressive is only for NTSC. Thats bull, its meant to be best isnt it?

My DVD recorder is set to output 576p (PAL), why does yours only do 480i, 480p and 576i, if you set it to PAL and progressive, the picture should look better than interlaced, unless the de-interlacer in the DVD Recorder isn't as good as the de-interlacer in your tv.

[vasko]

Tv is the Samsung 32 Inch LA32R71BDX. DVD Recorder is the Panasonic DMR-EH55.

Cables are all fine, im running the Belkin Pure AV Component Video Cable

Dont no if i can configure all that, iv been playing around with the settings and cant seem to get the good PQ on Progressive

[cwt]

Tv is the Samsung 32 Inch LA32R71BDX. DVD Recorder is the Panasonic DMR-EH55.

Cables are all fine, im running the Belkin Pure AV Component Video Cable

Dont no if i can configure all that, iv been playing around with the settings and cant seem to get the good PQ on Progressive

Unfortunately vasko ;panasonic are right. Your E55 is only progressive scan capable with ntsc discs not pal.Pal progressive scan was developed afterwards.I wouldnt worry because your samsung should deinterlace your 576i fine.This will give you 576 progressive anyway .

[vasko]

Yeah, the PQ is still good enough, but i think im gonna get a new recorder. Just now have to decide between samsung, sony or pioneer

[nis200979]

Yeah, the PQ is still good enough, but i think im gonna get a new recorder. Just now have to decide between samsung, sony or pioneer

Well Samsung recorders are slow and no digital tuner, Pioneer aren't digital yet either.

Sony (no HDMI), LG and Panasonic have DTV DVD/HDD recorders, anything less and your wasting your money.

I've found many DVD players that do a better job in 576i mode than in upscaled modes. Unless you buy high end DVD players, upscaling is a crock. The HDMI interface is great, but leave in on Auto for cheaper players/recorders.

[nis200979]

Yeah, the PQ is still good enough, but i think im gonna get a new recorder. Just now have to decide between samsung, sony or pioneer

Well Samsung recorders are slow and no digital tuner, Pioneer aren't digital yet either.

Sony (no HDMI), LG and Panasonic have DTV DVD/HDD recorders, anything less and your wasting your money.

I've found many DVD players that do a better job in 576i mode than in upscaled modes. Unless you buy high end DVD players, upscaling is a crock. The HDMI interface is great, but leave in on Auto for cheaper players/recorders.

[nis200979]

Yeah, the PQ is still good enough, but i think im gonna get a new recorder. Just now have to decide between samsung, sony or pioneer

Well Samsung recorders are slow and no digital tuner, Pioneer aren't digital yet either.

Sony (no HDMI), LG and Panasonic have DTV DVD/HDD recorders, anything less and your wasting your money.

I've found many DVD players that do a better job in 576i mode than in upscaled modes. Unless you buy high end DVD players, upscaling is a crock. The HDMI interface is great, but leave in on Auto for cheaper players/recorders.

[Chairman7]

Hi Everybody,

This question is also repeated in other thread. I am sorry for my attempted hi-jacking.

I am interested in the LA40R71BX. I currently use a LG HDD / DVD recorder (model RH7521W) to record SD analogue TV (both free-to-air via the RF Aerial and Foxtel digital satellite).

I like my set-up for its ease and I don't want to spend more $ on a digital PVR. I just want to be able to continue to record SD analogue TV. I am not interested in taping HD or digital.

My question is as follows if I continue my current set up of Aerial ---> HDD / DVD Recorder ----> TV (set top box) will I loose digital quality? I other words will I loose digital quality when the signal is passed through the HDD / DVD Recorder?

I seen elsewhere in a sony manual a description of such a set-up but nowhere else? I am seen many posts of people wanting to record HD, again I don't want to do this.

I just want to be able to continue to record SD analogue (until 2010) and watch HD broadcasts without the picture quality decreasing because it has taken a tour through the HDD / DVD recorder?

I have been researching this for hours now and I feel like I have been lead down the garden path by salespeople. Your assistence would be most welcome.

Thank you

[Anton-P.]

My question is as follows if I continue my current set up of Aerial ---> HDD / DVD Recorder ----> TV (set top box) will I loose digital quality? I other words will I loose digital quality when the signal is passed through the HDD / DVD Recorder?

While analog pq varies in gradual steps between 100% and 0%, digital pq is one of 3 states only: good, pixelation (large square blocks on picture) and no picture.

Yes when you daisy chain aerial the downstream signal is definitely weaker, but who knows it may still be good enough for good digital pq. It depends on how strong the original signal is, how much weaker after passing thru one device, and how sensitive the tuner in your stb is. With the right combination it may give perfectly good digital pq, with the wrong combo it's pixelation or no picture. Can only be answered by plugging it in.

Your second option is feeding aerial to stb first then daisy chain to the recorder. This way you do get picture to the 2nd device albeit degraded.

Third option is an aerial splitter - both signal branches are degraded but by not as much as 2nd in daisy chain.

Fourth option is an amplified splitter, about $40 from Dick Smith. If it doesn't help you can return for a refund.

[Chairman7]

While analog pq varies in gradual steps between 100% and 0%, digital pq is one of 3 states only: good, pixelation (large square blocks on picture) and no picture.

Yes when you daisy chain aerial the downstream signal is definitely weaker, but who knows it may still be good enough for good digital pq. It depends on how strong the original signal is, how much weaker after passing thru one device, and how sensitive the tuner in your stb is. With the right combination it may give perfectly good digital pq, with the wrong combo it's pixelation or no picture. Can only be answered by plugging it in.

Your second option is feeding aerial to stb first then daisy chain to the recorder. This way you do get picture to the 2nd device albeit degraded.

Third option is an aerial splitter - both signal branches are degraded but by not as much as 2nd in daisy chain.

Fourth option is an amplified splitter, about $40 from Dick Smith. If it doesn't help you can return for a refund.

Thank you Anton. You answer was very informative. I feel like I understand a little better now.

I am not sure the how second option would work? As the Samsung (LA32R71B) has a built-in set-top box and I am not sure how I would daisy chain after it has entered the TV?

The fourth option of an amplified splitter seens to be the most likely to give me the results I want.

I currently live in an apartment so I am sceptical about the strength of the signal arriving to my television.

But thanks again - and if anybody else have more thoughts I would appreciate it,

[vasko]

Well my Panasonic Recorder now dosnt have digitial, as far as i no all the ones i have seen are SD tuners. Hrmm after looking at the manual again i think your right, i cant see anywhere on the manual stating that the Samsung has a SD tuner. Same with the Pioneer. I just assumed they both had it. I thought all recorders had SD digital tuners.

I dont no what the difference would be anyway cos even with the SD tuner on the Panasonic the PQ is crap.

So what would you recommend then?

Edit - Just noticed my recorder dosnt have a digital tuner as well. I dont want Panasonic, so what else is good?

[Anton-P.]

As the Samsung (LA32R71B) has a built-in set-top box and I am not sure how I would daisy chain after it has entered the TV?

Trivial but just to clarify ... the Samsung has a built-in (digital) tuner, whereas a stb is an external box that usually has aerial out to daisy chain.

[nis200979]

Well my Panasonic Recorder now dosnt have digitial, as far as i no all the ones i have seen are SD tuners. Hrmm after looking at the manual again i think your right, i cant see anywhere on the manual stating that the Samsung has a SD tuner. Same with the Pioneer. I just assumed they both had it. I thought all recorders had SD digital tuners.

I dont no what the difference would be anyway cos even with the SD tuner on the Panasonic the PQ is crap.

So what would you recommend then?

Edit - Just noticed my recorder dosnt have a digital tuner as well. I dont want Panasonic, so what else is good?

Vasko, the EH55 has just an analogue tuner.

The Panasonic DMR-EX75 and DMR-EX85 both have digital SD tuners, this offers widescreen and MUCH better PQ.

[vasko]

Vasko, the EH55 has just an analogue tuner.

The Panasonic DMR-EX75 and DMR-EX85 both have digital SD tuners, this offers widescreen and MUCH better PQ.

Yeah but i mainly record off foxtel which wont matter with the Digital tuner.