momaw Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Hey Al, hey Andrew. Good to see you guys......um.......hear you guys......um......read you guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiin Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Anyone who prefers "all in one" solutions, is not an enthusiast.en·thu·si·ast Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[en-thoo-zee-ast, -ist] -noun 1. a person who is filled with enthusiasm for some principle, pursuit, etc.; a person of ardent zeal: a sports enthusiast. 2. a religious visionary or fanatic. Would a Golf enthusiast use just one club? All true, but if either one of these formats were to rely on an enthusiast market in Australia then they would be dead before they even get off the ground, we just don't have the numbers to support enthusiast products to commercial success, the mass market product might make the enthusiast cringe but its these cringe worthy devices that help support the industry and give the boutique products a chance to even exist in our market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qurious Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Anyone who prefers "all in one" solutions, is not an enthusiast.en·thu·si·ast Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[en-thoo-zee-ast, -ist] –noun 1. a person who is filled with enthusiasm for some principle, pursuit, etc.; a person of ardent zeal: a sports enthusiast. 2. a religious visionary or fanatic. Really momaw.................... and what do you know about who I am and my interests. Let me ask someone of your ovbious advanced intellect a simple question. Can I be a auto enthusiast and go to the motor races, and watch car races on TV, but If I catch the train to the motor races, I cant be an enthusiast because I caught the train there, and I dont own my own car.??? Can I qualify as a motor enthusiast if that is my interest ? Your theory would mean If I didnt own a car, I couldnt be an auto enthusiast. What about those interested in aviation who might never own a plane or pilots licence.??? can they educate them selves and take an active interest and go to air shows..........are they allowed to call them selves an enthusiast ??? I think your point of view is rather narrow and uneducated.............maybe like the morons you referred to earlier. But what would I know...........I cant be an enthusiast...........???? Ill make sure I dont refer to myself as enthusiast any longer - I can see that I must be taking away from your precious status with my humble simple views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejm Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I get the feeling that the point of every one of my posts in this thread has gone completely above your head.You have just agreed with exactly what I was saying Andrew. That was actually the only post of your that I read... A bit off topic but does anyone know of the free Casino Royale Blu-ray disc from Sony will class as a sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hydrology Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 A bit off topic but does anyone know of the free Casino Royale Blu-ray disc from Sony will class as a sale? Of course it will, we are talking about SOny here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qurious Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 That was actually the only post of your that I read...A bit off topic but does anyone know of the free Casino Royale Blu-ray disc from Sony will class as a sale? no it wont. GFK only reports on sell through figures from Retailers. Becuase it has not been sold at retail it would not reflect on GFK. It would show though on another report called Infomark which measures supplier sell in, for market share reasons for supplier shipments into the market. So read carefully the next report you see posted on BD disc shipments. If itd GFK share it is sell through. If it is Infomark, then its supplier shipments which is not a true reflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mil098 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 That was actually the only post of your that I read...A bit off topic but does anyone know of the free Casino Royale Blu-ray disc from Sony will class as a sale? Of course they will! I think King Kong giveway (HD DVD) was counted as well mil Edit: Depends on who's doing the reporting I suppose. Sony Pictures might make a statement and count it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 That was actually the only post of your that I read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Chill out qurious. Just making the point that if "all in one solutions" were as popular as you seem to think, they would dominate store shelves. They don't. As to your analogies, a motoring enthusiast may catch the train, but they would certainly rather drive a supercar to the race. Key word I used was "prefers". All in ones sacrifice performance - big time. Is that what you want? Don't take it so personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussla Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Can someone please explain the apparent level of hatred towards blu-ray by some users on this forum? Is it because its a Sony pushed format? Is it because HD-DVD is seen as the under-dog and hence everyone is sympathetic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ejm Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I was originally going to say "It was actually a crack at Sony, not you. It must have gone over your head" but being the nice person which I am, I stated the real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiin Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Can someone please explain the apparent level of hatred towards blu-ray by some users on this forum? No idea, but to be fair there are HD DVD haters on here also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Like CD players, it took a few years before decent "high end" players became available on the market.. hopefully the introduction of such high caliber players don't take so long to appear. I would not subscribe to the belief that you must have all single task equipment to be considered an enthusiast. Take some of the high end Universal DVD-A/SA-CD players for example, some of these units offer better playback and are built to a higher standard than some single task units. But in the case of xbox add on and the PS3, you could not compare these to standalone components. It all depends on the set up of the house,, your financial/living circumstances... For me, the PS3 is ideal for my boys downstairs.. but I will eventually use a dedicated player in the lounge (where the acoustics are far superior) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Can someone please explain the apparent level of hatred towards blu-ray by some users on this forum? Is it because its a Sony pushed format? Is it because HD-DVD is seen as the under-dog and hence everyone is sympathetic? Well, I own both, but I can guess at...oh.....maybe: lie upon lie upon lie restrictive playback unfinished players draconian DRM shall I continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtr73 Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Anyone who prefers "all in one" solutions, is not an enthusiast.en·thu·si·ast Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[en-thoo-zee-ast, -ist] -noun 1. a person who is filled with enthusiasm for some principle, pursuit, etc.; a person of ardent zeal: a sports enthusiast. 2. a religious visionary or fanatic. Would a Golf enthusiast use just one club? I'm sorry, but I find that view just a tad pompous. What if you want an "all-in-one" multimedia box to store and use your entire collection of DVDs and CDs? Even a modded Xbox classic (with XBMC) can upscale to 720p if that's pure enough for you. I can see where you're coming from, but sometimes people want versatility also, and I don't reckon you can dismiss them as non-enthusiasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 very, very, very few universal players are considered to have "decent", let alone equivalent, "book" CD playback abilities compared to even modestly priced standalone CD players. And these "universal" players are pricey. The NAD M25 at $2500 is considered to have better CD playback abilities than $5000 units, but is still beaten by a $800 standalone CD player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Can someone please explain the apparent level of hatred towards blu-ray by some users on this forum? you're probably aware of the large number of early HD-DVD adopters at this forum.. I gather interactivity and region coding to be the two most cited reasons for being against BD BD was the underdog here for a while but since the introduction of the PS3 there appears to have been a tidal change,, well at least locally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bort Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Can someone please explain the apparent level of hatred towards blu-ray by some users on this forum? Its because Sony are a big evil company who only care about profit, and any company behind HD is nice and fluffy and and only cares about us, the consumer. Boo Sony! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 very, very, very few universal players are considered to have "decent", let alone equivalent, "book" CD playback abilities compared to even modestly priced standalone CD players. And these "universal" players are pricey. The NAD M25 at $2500 is considered to have better CD playback abilities than $5000 units, but is still beaten by a $800 standalone CD player. I actually had the Linn Unidisk in mind..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Its because Sony are a big evil company who only care about profit, and any company behind HD is nice and fluffy and and only cares about us, the consumer. Boo Sony! what conglomo isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djOS Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Can someone please explain the apparent level of hatred towards blu-ray by some users on this forum? Is it because its a Sony pushed format? Is it because HD-DVD is seen as the under-dog and hence everyone is sympathetic? I think it is mostly due to the BluRay camp being perceived as running a "dirty tricks" campaign against HD DVD* - there is also immense frustration at the restrictive BluRay Region Coding system being rammed down ppls throats preventing folk from buying US & Japanese movies if we buy an Aussie player. *eg the great 1080i vs 1080p Lie, claiming to be a superior format and yet having a stack of missing or un-finished features in the BluRay Players (eg BDj**, Ethernet, Dolby TrueHD, DTS MA etc) compared with the fully functional HD DVD Players (only thing missing from HD DVD players is full DTS-MA support but at least the Core component is supported). **BDj is a great example, current players barely support version 1.1; version 2.0+ and BDj Live! (v3) will require completely new Hardware as the current players dont have Ethernet and dont have the internal storage to allow for FW upgrades to add these "upgraded" features - HD DVD on the other hand has all the HW in place now, even on Gen1 Players, to support any future HDi upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momaw Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I'm sorry, but I find that view just a tad pompous. What if you want an "all-in-one" multimedia box to store and use your entire collection of DVDs and CDs? Even a modded Xbox classic (with XBMC) can upscale to 720p if that's pure enough for you. I can see where you're coming from, but sometimes people want versatility also, and I don't reckon you can dismiss them as non-enthusiasts. My bad, I though enthusiasts would be about the quality. Apparently they are a lazy breed these days and only the ease factor is required What you suggest with your "all-in-one" multimedia box, would be nice.......if it had the quality to match and to date, they do not. They are, to be blunt, pretty crap. "All-in-one" is subjective anyway. Someone with a whole rack of Meridian gear may consider their unit an "all-in-one". I'm just saying that current "all in a box" solutions are generally not of a quality an "enthusiast" would aspire to. Sure it might be all one can afford, but surely they would like more if they could........... I can't afford an Aston Martin, but hell yeah would I like one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 I think it is mostly due to the BluRay camp being perceived as running a "dirty tricks" campaign against HD DVD* - there is also immense frustration at the restrictive BluRay Region Coding system being rammed down ppls throats preventing folk from buying US & Japanese movies if we buy an Aussie player.*eg the great 1080i vs 1080p Lie, claiming to be a superior format and yet having a stack of missing or un-finished features in the BluRay Players (eg BDj, Ethernet, Dolby TrueHD, DTS MA etc) compared with the fully functional HD DVD Players (only thing missing from HD DVD players is full DTS-MA support but at least the Core component is supported). how many of the punters have "true blue" 1080i/p screens..djOS? there appears a greater number of 720p screens sold how long before 1080p screens will drop to 720p prices? As for region coding with BD, it depends on the studio...and with future BD-J titles.. it will be interesting how much support the 5tudios will actually offer. If anything, the success of the PS3 should encourage the BD asasociation to offer a greater diversity of cheaper players on the market: Considering all the negative posts here and over at other forums like the AVS one, and the price tag, I'm actually surprised with how successful the PS3 has become. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bort Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 what conglomo isn't? Exactly! That was my point (damn - I knew I should have left in that bit about HD companies being fluffy and liking dolphins) They are all in it for the same reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franin Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 HD-DVD Sales Sluggish to say the least in AUS. No surprise from where i'm sitting. http://www.current.com.au/news/article/GGYZSJGMAJ.html SYDNEY: The next generation Blu-ray disc format has a stranglehold on the home entertainment market, selling over 21 times more media than HD DVD in the period from last November to the end of last month. Australians have bought only 200 HD DVD discs in the five months since the format was introduced, according to GfK statistics, which bodes badly for developer Toshiba which is almost alone in manufacturing HD DVD players. The Blu-ray camp has sold 4300 discs in the same period, with backers Sony, Panasonic and Samsung receiving support from movie houses Sony Pictures, MGM, Walt Disney Pictures, Lions Gate Films, Twentieth Century Fox, Warner Brothers and Paramount. Warner Brothers and Paramount also release films in the HD DVD format along with Universal Pictures. The Blu-ray Disc Association in Australia has gained the support of JB Hi-Fi, which now sells the format exclusively. JB Hi-Fi marketing director Scott Browning said that Blu-ray players and media will soon take up 10 per cent of the linear space in JB Hi-Fi stores, and likened the high definition disc format war to that of a long distance running race. “It’s more the middle of the race and the ‘kick’ at the end that says who wins,” said Browning, referring to the support given to the Blu-ray format. Browning flagged the importance of Blu-ray as a “fundamental breakthrough” for home entertainment manufacturers, and said that Blu-ray disc has added some excitement to the category. “These guys are usually at each others throats, going behind each others backs, and now they’re banding together to support Blu-ray technology. Home entertainment has really become home excitement,” he said. That funny out of that 200 sold I have 36 hd-dvd's.God there idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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