Gfk Figures Of Bd / Hd-dvd Sales In Aus

[AndrewW]

The biggest urban myth of recent times was that the PS2 had any impact on the uptake of DVD whatsoever.

Only believed by retards and those unable to think for themselves. Oh, and by anyone who didn't participate in the "birth" of DVD.

DVD was already a success when the PS2 launched and in fact harmed their sales as there were many not wanting a DVD drive in the PS2 as they had already bought a standalone player.

Couldn't agree more.

I already owned a dvd player when I bought my PS2 (I bought it at launch), and I never once watched a DVD on it.

Andrew.

[jokiin]

If anyone thinks sales of 3,000 discs on the back of 20,000 players entering the market is a killer blow for BD then they are crazy.

If they are comparing their results to a claimed 200 HD DVD discs then they would probably be feeling pretty good about themselves

[AndrewW]

If they are comparing their results to a claimed 200 HD DVD discs then they would probably be feeling pretty good about themselves

I wouldn't exactly be jumping for joy with a 0.15 attach rate ...

Andrew.

[jokiin]

The biggest urban myth of recent times was that the PS2 had any impact on the uptake of DVD whatsoever.

Its widely quoted as the catalyst to success in the Japanese market as standalones were much more expensive at the time, in our market it made no difference as we mean nothing by world standards anyway, anyone that quotes PS2 as being responsible for the success of DVD in Australia needs a history lesson.

[qurious]

Ultimately - we dont want two formats. Two formats will make it a pain for consumers.

One format is the solution. Also one format means better prices - more manufacturers making more units of one format will lead to cheaper prices.

Really, it doesn't matter which format wins to me, the best result would be a single format for the consumers. But it does seem that BD may be somehwt ahead at the moment and gathering more manufacturer/publisher support

As a consumer, I am considering a PS3 purchase because of the multi functionality it ptovides me. BD or high def movie playback, occassional gaming (im not a gamer really) wifi internet acces in my living room with my tv, music and photo storage in my living room, without the complication sof a HTPC and without the need for 4 differing devides to do these jobs.

So for me, PS3 could make my decision to adopt BD becuase the hardware offers me more than movies only.

I think a number of consumer might look at this option, and such Sony might succeed in using PS3 to drive BD

[jokiin]

I wouldn't exactly be jumping for joy with a 0.15 attach rate ...

Andrew.

It is after all a games console so any movie sales are a bonus, the add on HD DVD drive for the XBOX360 would probably have a higher uptake of movie software as it doesn't serve any other purpose (that I know of) so anyone buying one would be wanting to use it for movies

[jokiin]

Ultimately - we dont want two formats. Two formats will make it a pain for consumers.

I think 2 formats are fine, dual format players are the best way to let the consumer decide what they want though.

[momaw]

As a consumer, I am considering a PS3 purchase because of the multi functionality it ptovides me. BD or high def movie playback, occassional gaming (im not a gamer really) wifi internet acces in my living room with my tv, music and photo storage in my living room, without the complication sof a HTPC and without the need for 4 differing devides to do these jobs.

So for me, PS3 could make my decision to adopt BD becuase the hardware offers me more than movies only.

I think a number of consumer might look at this option, and such Sony might succeed in using PS3 to drive BD

This whole "Jack of all trades" garbage just doesn't fly or mean didily squat. If it did, we would *ALL* be running Home Theatre in a Box solutions, stand alone CD players would be a thing of the past, stand alone DVD players would have dried up, and the list goes on. Has this happened? No. Why not? Because while people want simplicity, they also want choice. All in one solutions do not offer choice - much like the Blu-ray format itself.

The games market (which has eclipsed the movie market) happily survives on multiple formats. Unfortunately, so can the film industry.

[qurious]

It is after all a games console so any movie sales are a bonus, the add on HD DVD drive for the XBOX360 would probably have a higher uptake of movie software as it doesn't serve any other purpose (that I know of) so anyone buying one would be wanting to use it for movies

It would be cool if MS incorporated the HD DVD drive into the new reported Elite 360 along with Wifi (unless it already does and I missed that one)

That would mean as a consumer I would choose between the elite box and the PS3 as the console which does everything I want it to do

[jokiin]

It would be cool if MS incorporated the HD DVD drive into the new reported Elite 360 along with Wifi (unless it already does and I missed that one)

Would make the PS3 v XBOX360 debate more interesting

[AndrewW]

It is after all a games console so any movie sales are a bonus

Ah, but that flies in the face of the Sony propoganda that says that the PS3 is going to "put a BD player in ever household" and help BD to win the "war".

These sales figures seem to be making a lie of that theory.

Andrew.

[betty boop]

yep and it will be the customers who will decide not hte retialers or the format pushers.

we are a tiny minority, do we seriously belive what we b uy or dont buy or our thoughts are representative of the wider populus. if we do we are seriously deludign ourselves.

for the wider populus blu-ray, ps3, hd-dvd is all irrelevant, unfordable nto somethign they will bother with.

and the situation isnt goign to change anytime soon.

when it will change is when ti all becomes affordable and the benefit is jsutifiable in the eyes of the general populus.

just not the case now.

lets not kid ourselves...

[qurious]

This whole "Jack of all trades" garbage just doesn't fly or mean didily squat. If it did, we would *ALL* be running Home Theatre in a Box solutions, stand alone CD players would be a thing of the past, stand alone DVD players would have dried up, and the list goes on. Has this happened? No. Why not? Because while people want simplicity, they also want choice. All in one solutions do not offer choice - much like the Blu-ray format itself.

The games market (which has eclipsed the movie market) happily survives on multiple formats. Unfortunately, so can the film industry.

I think it does fly for a number of people. My Case in point. I am an enthusiast, but I want simplicity and I don't want 5-6 components in my lounge room. I want it simple.

I want a piece of all the technologies that I want, but in a convenience package, because I just want it to work simply. I dont want all the seperate pieces.

[AndrewW]

snip

Hey al,

Is there a party at your place, or did Friday come early :drunk:

I stopped counting at 15 typos :ph34r:

Andrew

[jokiin]

Ah, but that flies in the face of the Sony propoganda that says that the PS3 is going to "put a BD player in ever household" and help BD to win the "war".

These sales figures seem to be making a lie of that theory.

Andrew.

It's hard to know what the exact figures are however I would be willing to bet that there have been more BR discs sold in Australia than there have been HD DVD players sold in Australia, don't get me wrong I'm not supporting or bagging either format but these things are won or lost by the marketing department, not the technical department.

[betty boop]

I think it does fly for a number of people. My Case in point. I am an enthusiast, but I want simplicity and I don't want 5-6 components in my lounge room. I want it simple.

I want a piece of all the technologies that I want, but in a convenience package, because I just want it to work simply. I dont want all the seperate pieces.

I think you'll find theres plenty of 'enthusiasts' who are all for separates and not lookign for the 'convenience package' htib's

[momaw]

It would be cool if MS incorporated the HD DVD drive into the new reported Elite 360 along with Wifi (unless it already does and I missed that one)

That's another thing (and this probably belongs in the "elite" thread), the Xbox 360 does not need, nor should it have HD DVD built in. I am sick and tired of the BD fanbois using the lack of built in HD DVD in the "elite" as proof MS's support in HD DVD is wavering.

The simple truth is that if they did include the HD DVD drive in the console itself, it would inevitably lead to pressure from game producers to start putting games out on the HD DVD format. This would leave 10 million current owners out in the cold. But don't take my word for it. Go ask Amir from Microsoft's HD DVD division. He generously gives up his time to talk to customers and fans. Who from Sony does this?

[qurious]

Hey al,

Is there a party at your place, or did Friday come early :drunk:

I stopped counting at 15 typos :ph34r:

Andrew

Its late,

its almost friday - today theoretically is hump day as friday is a holiday, so we are all into the weekend sliiiiiide now\

all donw hill frmo heer

[betty boop]

Its late,

its almost friday - today theoretically is hump day as friday is a holiday, so we are all into the weekend sliiiiiide now\

all donw hill frmo heer

hump day ! hehe yep I've got thursday of so hump day it sure is !

hic ! hehe all down hill from here !

[momaw]

all donw hill frmo heer

don't you mean

"all donw hill frmo beer"

[ejm]

the was my best attempt at implying irony.

If anyone thinks sales of 3,000 discs on the back of 20,000 players entering the market is a killer blow for BD then they are crazy.

And this is a console with a pretty awful launch games lineup, so people would have been looking for something to do with their new new $1K sandwich toaster

Andrew.

You know that not everyone bought the PS3 to play Blu-ray's *shock, horror*! Some of us actually bought it to play these things called games, Blu-ray is just an added extra (although it does help with games).

Yes the PS3's launch line up is not very good, but I actually did buy 2 games at launch and I still have both of those games (R:FOM and MotorStorm), when I got my 360 (also at launch) I got one game, PGR3, and I returned it for a store credit and then got Oblivion. Much better than the 360's for the games that I like.

[qurious]

I think you'll find theres plenty of 'enthusiasts' who are all for separates and not lookign for the 'convenience package' htib's

My point exactly.

Two sides to each fence. I am an enthusiast who wants simplicity.

And for every one of me, there is the guys with 5 components and monster cables ect ect and likes to tailor his system.

My point is that currently the way I see it BD will find its way into my home because the PS3 will provide me with multi functionality across a number of things I want to do in my lounge room, which then means in my house Sony has succeeded with their marketing plan to run me into a BD consumer. Thats is with me. And probably there are others who are looking at the PS3 in the same light as I mentioned in my previous posts.

Being an enthusiast doesnt mean having to physically mean you have to own all the bits, my budget restricts that.

Hey - I currently run a 4 x 3, 7 year old rear pro. For now the mortgage comes first.

Next will hopefully be a Sony 60" SXRD rear pro

[momaw]

Anyone who prefers "all in one" solutions, is not an enthusiast.

en·thu·si·ast Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[en-thoo-zee-ast, -ist]

-noun

1. a person who is filled with enthusiasm for some principle, pursuit, etc.; a person of ardent zeal: a sports enthusiast.

2. a religious visionary or fanatic.

Would a Golf enthusiast use just one club?

[AndrewW]

You know that not everyone bought the PS3 to play Blu-ray's *shock, horror*! Some of us actually bought it to play these things called games, Blu-ray is just an added extra (although it does help with games).

I get the feeling that the point of every one of my posts in this thread has gone completely above your head.

You have just agreed with exactly what I was saying

Andrew.

[betty boop]

My point exactly.

Two sides to each fence. I am an enthusiast who wants simplicity.

And for every one of me, there is the guys with 5 components and monster cables ect ect and likes to tailor his system.

My point is that currently the way I see it BD will find its way into my home because the PS3 will provide me with multi functionality across a number of things I want to do in my lounge room, which then means in my house Sony has succeeded with their marketing plan to run me into a BD consumer. Thats is with me. And probably there are others who are looking at the PS3 in the same light as I mentioned in my previous posts.

Being an enthusiast doesnt mean having to physically mean you have to own all the bits, my budget restricts that.

Hey - I currently run a 4 x 3, 7 year old rear pro. For now the mortgage comes first.

Next will hopefully be a Sony 60" SXRD rear pro

yes as an enthusiast I wont be buyign a ps3. will probably buy a stand alone blu-ray player though. but not till there is greater range of not only players but software as well, as will be restricted to buyign local with region coding.

personally I think sony is banking a little to heavily on ps3 for blu-ray to suceed.

they might actually realise one day that the consumer that buys ps3 might be different from the consumer that buys a blu-ray player.

they might also one day realise not everyone falls for their hype or there porpoganda...