betty boop Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 prices drastically droppign in the us http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home_Cinema/DVD/U7D7U9W2 seems the sammy blu-ray has been reduced in price by 48% ! abotu time to probably realistically what its actually worth ! plus in response tosh have dropped the price of thier bargain player to well under to prove the point anythign you can do cheap we can do cheaper ! good for the take up of the formats I think and a fight that will go further I think once the chingwah player makers start pumping their hd-dvd players out.
bizzibee Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 prices drastically droppign in the us http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home_Cinema/DVD/U7D7U9W2 seems the sammy blu-ray has been reduced in price by 48% ! abotu time to probably realistically what its actually worth ! plus in response tosh have dropped the price of thier bargain player to well under to prove the point anythign you can do cheap we can do cheaper ! good for the take up of the formats I think and a fight that will go further I think once the chingwah player makers start pumping their hd-dvd players out. These guys have been selling new Samsung (BD-P1000) Blu-ray players for $799 (But it Now) for the last week. See: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...em=320099831655 This poor bloke has got no hope selling a used one for $899.95 (But it Now). See: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...em=170096563123 By the way, these Authorised Refurbished Panasonic (DMP-BD10) Blu-Ray Multi-Disc Player (RRP $2,749.00) have been going for $1200-$1300. See: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...em=260102631041 Anyway it's all good for the consumers out there!
Cody Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 good news indeed, although i still think the sammy is overpriced
delarge Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 now I'd be happy if I could get a HD-E1 under $700 and I'd be sold. Actually surprised how cheap the HD-A2 models on ebay delivered from the U.S. cost. Around $650 delivered at last check.
Tweet Posted April 5, 2007 Posted April 5, 2007 now I'd be happy if I could get a HD-E1 under $700 and I'd be sold. Actually surprised how cheap the HD-A2 models on ebay delivered from the U.S. cost. Around $650 delivered at last check. Well that would certainly sink Sony's Flagship. C.M
delarge Posted April 5, 2007 Posted April 5, 2007 now I'd be happy if I could get a HD-E1 under $700 and I'd be sold. Actually surprised how cheap the HD-A2 models on ebay delivered from the U.S. cost. Around $650 delivered at last check. Well that would certainly sink Sony's Flagship. C.M Yeah, if HD-DVD only had more studio support. I've put my HD-DVD purchasing on hiatus at the moment....but can't stop buying Blu Ray movies for my PS3. Will see how the rest of the year pans out for HD-DVD.
yabbal Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 If they sell the Toshiba HD-DVD one for around AU$550 in Australia at the next price drop, I will probably get one. (Thats about what I paid for my current Toshiba DVD player, which I have been VERY happy with.) My only concern is getting HD-DVD disks - Ezy DVD have them through their online shop, but so far I havent seen them in shops, and my video rental store only has 1 title!
Hydrology Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 If they sell the Toshiba HD-DVD one for around AU$550 in Australia at the next price drop, I will probably get one. (Thats about what I paid for my current Toshiba DVD player, which I have been VERY happy with.)My only concern is getting HD-DVD disks - Ezy DVD have them through their online shop, but so far I havent seen them in shops, and my video rental store only has 1 title! As HD-DVD is region free, you can buy online from overseas such as Amazon, very reasonable prices, especially if buying a few at a time.
mattis Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 seems the sammy blu-ray has been reduced in price by 48% ! abotu time to probably realistically what its actually worth ! Isn't this a run out model? I seem to recall a 2nd gen unit was due really soon. Matt
Guest JohnA Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 good to see prices coming down, i'll keep holding off
betty boop Posted April 7, 2007 Author Posted April 7, 2007 good to see prices coming down, i'll keep holding off they jsut have to drop john. given the fact I could get the top line tosh player from the us with a dozen discs including a worldwide wide warranty and transformer and express frieght for under $1k . now jsut how can they charge over 1.5x that for a damn samsung player. understand audio trends on special have the base tosh for $8hundred somethign. means it wont be long before basic plaers will be $500 or less. about when people remotely interested might start biting I reckon. that said my current dvd plaeyr is a $2k unit as was my previous bought many years previous so I'm sure there'll be a few who dont mind payign the cash as long as they get a decent player. and that is the thing people I dont think mind payign if its fully featured and upto the task. but somethig half baked thats lacking all sorts and outdated the day its released here I dont think even you most apart from your dead eager enthussiat would be silly enough to part with any serious amounts of money on.
Guest JohnA Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 totaly agree Al, i am more then happy to go pay $2k or more for a good dvd player as you know you are getting it all spending this though on a current hd or blu ray player at the moment is useless. Once its all sorted and the players have everything and many titles available locally then i will be happy to spend the money on a good unit, but to spend over $2k for a unit just to get into the new technology, then to find a new player comes out with more features, making your worthless..... i'll give it a miss
Tweet Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In terms of HD DVD , where is it to go ? The image quality is just first class even on the cheapest model. The sound quality is first class also Audio connectivity appears to be the only real discriminator between the models. Power up and Load times will improve as generations develop. Prices will drop as the Kung Fu manufacturers begin production and create competition for Toshiba. Once that happens ( possibly by Christmas) Blu-ray will be outclassed and out-priced in the marketplace. End of story. C.M
nis200979 Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 In terms of HD DVD , where is it to go ?The image quality is just first class even on the cheapest model. The sound quality is first class also Audio connectivity appears to be the only real discriminator between the models. Power up and Load times will improve as generations develop. Prices will drop as the Kung Fu manufacturers begin production and create competition for Toshiba. Once that happens ( possibly by Christmas) Blu-ray will be outclassed and out-priced in the marketplace. End of story. C.M Next Gen will have ethernet support for downloading updates such as new languages, and Firmware updates. People are talking of 4 layer discs and more, so I presume the 1st gen will only play 2 layer discs. Most importantly though, many next gen will be dual HD formats, BD and HD-DVD in one machine. HDMI 1.3 also. Also, anyone got a Samsung BD player? They are bloody slow to load. When the Pioneer and Sony models come I can imagine they will boot and load much quicker. I stand by PS3 being the best BD player to buy currently. It is software upgradeable and in 6-12mths time when they are all $500-600 at least your machine does something else too.
AndrewW Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 Next Gen will have ethernet support for downloading updates such as new languages, and Firmware updates. All HD DVD players already have ethernet support. It's a requirement of the HD DVD spec. Andrew.
Tweet Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 Next Gen will have ethernet support for downloading updates such as new languages, and Firmware updates.People are talking of 4 layer discs and more, so I presume the 1st gen will only play 2 layer discs. Most importantly though, many next gen will be dual HD formats, BD and HD-DVD in one machine. HDMI 1.3 also. Also, anyone got a Samsung BD player? They are bloody slow to load. When the Pioneer and Sony models come I can imagine they will boot and load much quicker. I stand by PS3 being the best BD player to buy currently. It is software upgradeable and in 6-12mths time when they are all $500-600 at least your machine does something else too. HD DVD goes to 3 layers (51 Gig),more than enough for HD movies with VC1. Blu-ray could possibly extend to 4 layers for data storage but there is not point to that with HD movies. Mpeg2 will probably be dropped as a commercial codec for BR movies anyway so beyond 2 layers is pointless. From what I understood from a Sony rep. interview the PS3 will not see a price drop within 2 years. Sony says it has to recoup costs as the PS3 was a big console investment for them with all the promotions and such. I have never discounted the Ps3 as an excellent BR player, indeed it is, but if it is constantly used as a multi-media machine the wear and tear on that delicate BR drive will begin to show. All the same the PS3 needs new game support if it is a console. Funny we haven't seen anything of a proposed HD/BR player since that LG fiasco a few months ago,the licensing fees must be intolerable. At this stage the HD market is still to small to profit from bridging the HD DVD ... Blu-ray gap unless THD discs are employed. C.M
sulimo Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 So...are there any HD-DVD players out (or planned) which are multi-region for regular DVD?
Tweet Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 So...are there any HD-DVD players out (or planned) which are multi-region for regular DVD? So....are there any Blu-ray players out (or planned) which are multi-region for HD movie discs ? No ! C.M
nis200979 Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 So....are there any Blu-ray players out (or planned) which are multi-region for HD movie discs ?No ! C.M I think he meant, will any HD-DVD player play region 1-6 DVDs (not HD-DVDs)
nis200979 Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 All HD DVD players already have ethernet support. It's a requirement of the HD DVD spec.Andrew. Yeah, I was talking about the format that is currently ahead in the war, BD.
momaw Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 Region free on HD is far more important - it's not like you don't already have a region free sd player. I seriously doubt that other manufacturers HD DVD players will be region locked. Toshiba really had no choice but to respect the issue of SD region coding if it was to get the trade off in HD DVD region coding. It's all crossing the t's and dotting the i's at this point. This will change. Wish I could have the same optimism for BD.
momaw Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 Yeah, I was talking about the format that is currently ahead in the war, BD. Depends how you define ahead. If it is the best most reliable players that are fully spec'd then no, they are not ahead, if it is by raw software sales, then yes, they are ahead, if it is by market penetration of "actual" players, then no, they are not ahead. The list goes on/ It's all a matter of perspective. Get blinded by BS and you are just another drone.
nis200979 Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 From what I understood from a Sony rep. interview the PS3 will not see a price drop within 2 years. Sony says it has to recoup costs as the PS3 was a big console investment for them with all the promotions and such.C.M Thats like asking an Apple representative their honest opinion. They don't have their own opinions, they are told what to say. Anyone who thinks that the $999 PS3 won't drop in prices are truly gullible. BD drives are dropping in price every month. You can buy a PS3 overseas for $620 AUD, Sony ADD 50% markup for Australians. Christmas ALWAYS brings value packs MS are releasing a 120GB version, Sony are bound to respond. Oh, and the 20GB version is surely just around the corner at RRP $799 (todays prices)
momaw Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 Thats like asking an Apple representative their honest opinion. They don't have their own opinions, they are told what to say.Anyone who thinks that the $999 PS3 won't drop in prices are truly gullible. BD drives are dropping in price every month. You can buy a PS3 overseas for $620 AUD, Sony ADD 50% markup for Australians. Christmas ALWAYS brings value packs MS are releasing a 120GB version, Sony are bound to respond. Oh, and the 20GB version is surely just around the corner at RRP $799 (todays prices) It will drop, but not as quickly as you think me thinks. They actually lose more on the 20gb model than the 60gb one, so it will probably be at least 6 months before that hits our shores if ever. You should listen to your idol mr ephraim some more. The price here has no relationship with the overseas price. We are supposed to be thankful for our markup. Basically, they are trying to recoup losses in other regions by hitting a small region like us up for higher prices. They really couldn't care less if they would sell more here at a lower price as we are being used to shore up and reduce losses. This means price reductions here are a long way off, at least until the price to manufacture reduces to the price to sell. Sorry for the bad news. I'm sure you don't believe a word of it, but at least you can't say you weren't told.
nis200979 Posted April 7, 2007 Posted April 7, 2007 Depends how you define ahead. If it is the best most reliable players that are fully spec'd then no, they are not ahead, if it is by raw software sales, then yes, they are ahead, if it is by market penetration of "actual" players, then no, they are not ahead. The list goes on/ It's all a matter of perspective. Get blinded by BS and you are just another drone. Being a drone would be to go ahead with the opinions of a small minority of people on an Aussie forum. Although you make many good arguments FOR HD-DVD which I think are perfectly valid, the truth is it is much easier in Australia to buy a new release BD movie. JB and Myer (Virgin Music) have a good range of titles, and latest releases seem to dominate BD releases. Many HD-DVD releases are older movies. Reliability has little to do with BD or HD-DVD (gee I hate the acronym for saying and typing), rather the fact that you compare a Samsung BD with a Toshiba HD-DVD player. Once Pioneer and Sony release their machines, reliability will be very similiar. To be a drone you would argue that despite not selling as much software, or hardware, or by penetration, your product is still ahead. To me, you haven't made a very good argument. It would be a gutsy consumer to buy a HD-DVD player now, and probably a stupid consumer to buy a 1st gen BD (except PS3) player.
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