101cm Nec Lcd Hdtv With 10 000:1 Contrast Ratio.

[PanaSung]

NOTHING TO SEE HERE....I WAS MISTAKEN......BUY A SHARP, LOL.

[drsmith]

Nope!

[PanaSung]

Nope!

Trolling mate hey

[Owen]

CR numbers mean nothing, and are more often then not inaccurate or misleading due to the way they are calculated.

Look at a black screen in a dark room if you want to know about black level.

[markallwood]

CR numbers mean nothing, and are more often then not inaccurate or misleading due to the way they are calculated.

Look at a black screen in a dark room if you want to know about black level.

Interesting you should say that...we've got an LCD at home, and recognise that there are inherent issues with the black levels. I've been reading these forums for a while now, and understand that plasmas are supposed to have better black levels, but after viewing several quality panels in rooms with no other light sources, the plasmas appear to have the exact same issue as the LCD - when the picture is supposed to go black, what you actually get is dark grey!

My experiences to date viewing plasmas and LCDs in dark rooms have not shown up any significant difference in black levels - both give off varying levels of grey glow... However, I do respect the knowledge on these forums - which particular plasma model would you recommend I view in order to see the improved black levels ? suggestions would be much appreciated.

On a side note, recently we visited the brand new portside dendy cinemas in brisbane. The effect was no different...when the lights went out, there was the same giant dark grey rectangle in front of me !!!

[AndrewW]

My experiences to date viewing plasmas and LCDs in dark rooms have not shown up any significant difference in black levels - both give off varying levels of grey glow... However, I do respect the knowledge on these forums - which particular plasma model would you recommend I view in order to see the improved black levels ? suggestions would be much appreciated.

Agreed.

And I've also wondered the same thing when people say that plasmas have better black levels.

Too me they actually usually look brighter than LCD.

Andrew.

[PanaSung]

CR numbers mean nothing, and are more often then not inaccurate or misleading due to the way they are calculated.

Look at a black screen in a dark room if you want to know about black level.

Nah....CR and the ongoing improvements to LCD mean that PQ is improving to a point where other screen tech will soon be irrelevant except to hardcore enthusiasts like yourself.

I can still remember the impact both the 32 and 42in 2007 model Sharps had on me.....both had excellent PQ, and the 32 wasn't even being feed HD.....also, 32's relatively small screen size hide many PQ defects associated with low signal strengths......having said that, WOW were selling a 2006 model HD ready 32in NEC for $999, but the Sharp was over $2000 with HD tuner.

The 42 was being feed SWAT Bluray, and it was extremely impressive despite a high likelyhood that the LCD wasn't properly calibrated.

I hold the view that LCD is about to kickass and dominate, simply because people are familiar with the tech, not to mention that 2008 models will be even better than these very impressive 07 models.

I forget how long I stood watching SWAT on the 42{it was a number of minutes}, and overall, the PQ was awesome....I can't say I saw anything to make me say.."dang, LCD's still aren't right yet".....instead, I became excited about the prospect of eventually owning something as good for HDTV/Bray and PS3{granted I might end up with a large plasma first}.

I suspect the NEC's native CR is about 2000-2500:1.....and if it's PQ is anything like the Sharps, then not only can we include it as a contender for purchase, but we'll also have to figure the Samsungs and any manufacturer using high contrast panels to be worthy of consideration.

[drsmith]

Nah....CR and the ongoing improvements to LCD mean that PQ is improving to a point where other screen tech will soon be irrelevant except to hardcore enthusiasts like yourself.

I can still remember the impact both the 32 and 42in 2007 model Sharps had on me.....both had excellent PQ, and the 32 wasn't even being feed HD.....also, 32's relatively small screen size hide many PQ defects associated with low signal strengths......having said that, WOW were selling a 2006 model HD ready 32in NEC for $999, but the Sharp was over $2000 with HD tuner.

The 42 was being feed SWAT Bluray, and it was extremely impressive despite a high likelyhood that the LCD wasn't properly calibrated.

I hold the view that LCD is about to kickass and dominate, simply because people are familiar with the tech, not to mention that 2008 models will be even better than these very impressive 07 models.

I forget how long I stood watching SWAT on the 42{it was a number of minutes}, and overall, the PQ was awesome....I can't say I saw anything to make me say.."dang, LCD's still aren't right yet".....instead, I became excited about the prospect of eventually owning something as good for HDTV/Bray and PS3{granted I might end up with a large plasma first}.

I suspect the NEC's native CR is about 2000-2500:1.....and if it's PQ is anything like the Sharps, then not only can we include it as a contender for purchase, but we'll also have to figure the Samsungs and any manufacturer using high contrast panels to be worthy of consideration.

Next time you're on the throne, don't push too hard.

Your head might cave in.

[PanaSung]

Next time you're on the throne, don't push too hard.

Your head might cave in.

Don't like the truth.....steer clear then chump

[drsmith]

Don't like the truth.....steer clear then chump

Your mis-information falls well short of the truth.

[PanaSung]

Your mis-information falls well short of the truth.

You and other HD panel owners still hold a grudge against me for kicking your ass a few months ago.....so I certainly expect people who've become my psychological prisoners to be "at me" all the time.....trouble for you is I just brush you aside with rational arguments and have a good time doing it, LOLOLOL.

[drsmith]

You and other HD panel owners still hold a grudge against me for kicking your ass a few months ago.....so I certainly expect people who've become my psychological prisoners to be "at me" all the time.....trouble for you is I just brush you aside with rational arguments and have a good time doing it, LOLOLOL.

I know who holds the grudge.

[PanaSung]

I know who holds the grudge.

Next time you're on the throne, don't push too hard.

Your head might cave in.

So I made a serious post and you respond with the above inane garbage....LOL, who do you think you're trying to fool?

There's a handful of you nutters who try and disrupt my threads, but you only succeed in making asses of yourselves and proving that you're psychologically imprisoned to me.

If you're not psychologically imprisoned to me, how do you explain the unprovoked ad hom followed by the "play dumb" attitude...??

[Brazzwald]

Panasung,

I can't believe you believed the specs on a retailer website, I mean, you didn't notice the panel resolution they listed?!

Always check your supplier websites before posting about supposed specs on a TV, especially in this instance:

http://www.nec.com.au/products_detail.aspx?view=391

This TV has been around for a while, and NEC itself lists the Contrast Ratio as 1200:1

Go back to your "I'll believe all specs and will only buy based on those, and won't even see the thing with my own eyes before I buy (if I actually decide to buy), and therefore have the best TV in the world" cave.

Brazzwald

[Autocrat]

What is it with the frigging "asses"? Is there a donkey invasion or have you all watched so much bad TV you've turned into Americans?

[PanaSung]

What is it with the frigging "asses"? Is there a donkey invasion or have you all watched so much bad TV you've turned into Americans?

I find arse to be a very coarse word....LOL.

[PanaSung]

Panasung,

I can't believe you believed the specs on a retailer website, I mean, you didn't notice the panel resolution they listed?!

Brazzwald

Oh well....we'll have to wait for the Samsung's.

[drsmith]

NEC

Model No. NLT40HDB2

Description

100cm Integrated HD lcd tv, 1366x 768 pixel resolution, PIP, Teletext,Bottom mount detachable speakers, 3 Year Warranty. 8ms refresh rate, 10000:1 contrast ratio.PC input.

======================================

Now you're talking.

I'm sure many people are interested to know whether these new models deliver as far as black levels go.

First you quote the dynamic contrast ratio as 10000:1 and you try to relate this to black level.

I suspect the NEC's native CR is about 2000-2500:1.....and if it's PQ is anything like the Sharps, then not only can we include it as a contender for purchase, but we'll also have to figure the Samsungs and any manufacturer using high contrast panels to be worthy of consideration.

You then backpedal to 2000-2500:1.

http://www.nec.com.au/products_detail.aspx?view=391

This TV has been around for a while, and NEC itself lists the Contrast Ratio as 1200:1

Oh well....we'll have to wait for the Samsung's.

Stop telling lies on these forums.

[PanaSung]

First you quote the dynamic contrast ratio as 10000:1 and you try to relate this to black level.

You then backbedal to 2000-2500:1.

Oh well....we'll have to wait for the Samsung's.

Stop telling lies on these forums.

Hey STUPID.....the 10 000:1 was always going to be dynamic.....shows how much you know

Stop being such a blatant jerk

[woospy]

Hey STUPID.....the 10 000:1 was always going to be dynamic.....shows how much you know

Stop being such a blatant jerk

How old are you?

[PanaSung]

How old are you?

The goose calling itself drsmith is trolling these forums, but is actually accusing me of doing it.....it's called spotlighting.

He's obsessed with SXRD and can't stand to hear even the slightest negative about it......of course all HDTV's have some negatives, so an honest person would explore all details....but a fanboy will stop at nothing to protect his "psychological investment".

[Owen]

I would like to know how a Plasma can have dynamic contrast, they don’t use a back light.

[Owen]

Nah....CR and the ongoing improvements to LCD mean that PQ is improving to a point where other screen tech will soon be irrelevant except to hardcore enthusiasts like yourself.

I can still remember the impact both the 32 and 42in 2007 model Sharps had on me.....both had excellent PQ, and the 32 wasn't even being feed HD.....also, 32's relatively small screen size hide many PQ defects associated with low signal strengths......having said that, WOW were selling a 2006 model HD ready 32in NEC for $999, but the Sharp was over $2000 with HD tuner.

The 42 was being feed SWAT Bluray, and it was extremely impressive despite a high likelyhood that the LCD wasn't properly calibrated.

I hold the view that LCD is about to kickass and dominate, simply because people are familiar with the tech, not to mention that 2008 models will be even better than these very impressive 07 models.

I forget how long I stood watching SWAT on the 42{it was a number of minutes}, and overall, the PQ was awesome....I can't say I saw anything to make me say.."dang, LCD's still aren't right yet".....instead, I became excited about the prospect of eventually owning something as good for HDTV/Bray and PS3{granted I might end up with a large plasma first}.

I suspect the NEC's native CR is about 2000-2500:1.....and if it's PQ is anything like the Sharps, then not only can we include it as a contender for purchase, but we'll also have to figure the Samsungs and any manufacturer using high contrast panels to be worthy of consideration.

LCD’s don’t need to improve for people to buy them, they are already popular and will remain so for the average punter.

In the high end of the market, LCD’s are a LONG way from being competitive, even among flat panels.

Pioneer has some new technology high end Plasma models coming next year with quoted contrast ratios 10 times better then LCD, but these will be large and expensive units intended to hold the high ground on quality for those who can appreciate and afford them.

[PanaSung]

I would like to know how a Plasma can have dynamic contrast, they don’t use a back light.

This is an LCD thread.....

[drsmith]

The goose calling itself drsmith is trolling these forums, but is actually accusing me of doing it.....it's called spotlighting.

He's obsessed with SXRD and can't stand to hear even the slightest negative about it......of course all HDTV's have some negatives, so an honest person would explore all details....but a fanboy will stop at nothing to protect his "psychological investment".

This is an LCD thread.....

and the only goose in it is you.