Santa1503559644 Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 Here ya go, Al. In honour of your recent achievements, I've started this thread as a kind of scrapbook for all your references to entries in the Coalition "Dirt Files". Eat ya heart out!
Aloysius Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 Here ya go, Al.In honour of your recent achievements, I've started this thread as a kind of scrapbook for all your references to entries in the Coalition "Dirt Files". Eat ya heart out! Oh wow - two threads devoted to moi Would you care to demonstrate a touch of class and evenhandedness and honour yourself in such a manner
Santa1503559644 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Posted April 3, 2007 Oh wow - two threads devoted to moi Would you care to demonstrate a touch of class and evenhandedness and honour yourself in such a manner Believe me, I've honoured myself with threads on the Glorious Santa before ... however, I'm not constantly muck raking, so I cant fit into a thread like this! {Note: There's a difference between using terms like "Lil' Johnny", referring to the colour of his nose, etc ... and quoting from the Coalition Dirt Files}
Aloysius Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 Believe me, I've honoured myself with threads on the Glorious Santa before ... however, I'm not constantly muck raking, so I cant fit into a thread like this!{Note: There's a difference between using terms like "Lil' Johnny", referring to the colour of his nose, etc ... and quoting from the Coalition Dirt Files} One - your respected opinion. Two - A direct quote from a national newspaper.
Santa1503559644 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Posted April 3, 2007 One - your respected opinion.Two - A direct quote from a national newspaper. One doesn't need to quote everything one sees. If I were to encounter the National Enquirer at the checkout of a supermarket, I wouldn't feel compelled to post a thread when I returned to the computer "Alien fish ate my baby on Rudd's watch" ...
StevenA Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 Keep it up Aloy - shows that you are really getting up their noses !!!!!
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 Keep it up Aloy - shows that you are really getting up their noses !!!!! obviously .. you haven't been around long enough...
Santa1503559644 Posted April 3, 2007 Author Posted April 3, 2007 StevenB continues to sound more & more like the current government ... hopelessly out of touch with reality, as well as popular opinion!
StevenA Posted April 3, 2007 Posted April 3, 2007 I've actually been around since November '03 - do a lot of looking, laughing and crying at what goes on here - but only jump in periodically. Reality is what you make it - and the polls are changing - the downhill slide has just begun !!! If the Unions hadn't spent well over $20M to date on advertising and pushing false information they would be even lower now. There would be one hell-of-a-scream from a lot on here if "industry" had spent that much on pushing a political agenda using false info and lies. Open both eyes when you look at things - something Aloy has been pushing a bit lately I think. But apart from all that, this is a great forum and has been a great help to me with the HT and 2 ch stuff - there are also some great characters on here to keep it interesting and there is always a laugh to be had somewhere every day. Keep it up you lot !!!
Aloysius Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1889675.htm "The Prime Minister says a fall in trade union membership shows the union movement's criticism of the Government's industrial relations laws has been ill-founded. Official figures released yesterday show union membership has fallen by 100,000, with only one in five workers signed up to a union. John Howard has told commercial radio in Adelaide that Australians are moving away from the organised union movement. "The union movement has been saying that people are so angry about WorkChoices they're rejoining unions, well they're not," he said. "Union membership has now become overwhelmingly something that exists in public sector employment and hardly at all in private sector employment. "Now that has got to say something about the thinness, if I can put it that way, of the Labor and union attack on our new work place policy." No comment http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Nonuni...7787948928.html "Labor leader Kevin Rudd doesn't care whether members of his caucus or his party have a union ticket or not. But while it's an insignificant issue as far as Mr Rudd's concerned, he has no plans to try to get the party to change its long-held rule requiring all Labor MPs and senators to have union membership." No comment
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 "The Prime Minister says a fall in trade union membership shows the union movement's criticism of the Government's industrial relations laws has been ill-founded........"Labor leader Kevin Rudd doesn't care whether members of his caucus or his party have a union ticket or not. Are you implying the union movement is irrelevant? and if you indeed believe this.. why? Its interesting that the business sector has its "pressure groups" that represent their interests but for some reason workers are not entitled to have the same voice...
mello yello Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 Are you implying the union movement is irrelevant? Hes not commenting Skid Hes saying that in spite of the recent NSW State elections results ...(which the Labor Party should have LOST in a landslide but were actually returned resoundly on the Work Choices issue alone) .....hes highlighting the fact that union memberships has fallen and believes by some amazing leap of logic that the Union campaign against Work Choices is unfounded........oh and that the Tooth Fairy will pop two bob under your pillow whenever you lose a tooth (in place of a Public Dental Scheme)
Cooksta59 Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 Its interesting that the business sector has its "pressure groups" that represent their interests but for some reason workers are not entitled to have the same voice... IMO 1 of the most pertinent comments in the whole sorry saga of workchoices. The constant use of the phrase "the unions" used by the goverment and business. What are the unions? are they not a collective organisation of "workers", the people, the mr and mrs average? http://www.investorwords.com/5156/union.html Quote "union Definition An organization of workers joined to protect their common interests and improve their working conditions."end quote. god help us all if unions are allowed to do that! If that is what unions are; then i beg the question, what on earth is wrong with that? The incumbent government and some business organisations use the term "unions" to paint them as some cancer that must be eliminated. As Skid says it appears that the average worker is not entitled an organisation such as a union, while business can have whatever number of organisations for themselves to belong too and promote their interests.Hypocrisy. I will surely agree that there have been undesirable conduct by some unions/officials in the past ( and I do not condone that) but have all companies or businesses always behaved impeccably, of course not. made me choke on my cornflakes when I heard the libs bleating about Rudds having consulted the unions before releasing his industrial policy...so what. Did the libs not consult with business organisations before releasing workchoices?
Skid_MacMarx Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 Right Aloysius, whats the point of posting articles when you don't wish to discuss them?
Aloysius Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 Aloysius, whats the point of posting articles when you don't wish to discuss them? Because you are quite intelligent enough to understand the quotes yourself and there is no need to add to them. There is no need for anyone to criticise my opinion, the articles stand alone and are quite clear. If someone can identify an anti union component in "No comment" well done. I don't think the articles were anti union either - they just stated facts.
Skid_MacMarx Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 Because you are quite intelligent enough to understand the quotes yourself and there is no need to add to them.There is no need for anyone to criticise my opinion, the articles stand alone and are quite clear. If someone can identify an anti union component in "No comment" well done. I don't think the articles were anti union either - they just stated facts. what facts.. membership numbers have dropped because of workchoices? because of workchoices, workers no longer require unions or workchoices bring intimidation into the worplace which one is it Aloysius ... how about making it a bit clearer? GREG COMBET: This is directly attributable to the WorkChoices legislation. Why the Government and Minister Joe Hockey would choose to be crowing about this is beyond me, but the simple fact of the matter is that one of the objectives of the government's industrial relations laws is to try and make it impossible for people to exercise a democratic right to be a union member and to have union representation if that's what they wish.And the laws also make it extremely difficult for employees and their unions to negotiate collective agreements. And so, it's not a surprise to us to see these figures show a small fall in union membership, but nonetheless it's very disappointing. HAYDEN COOPER: WorkChoices gets the blame of course, but in truth, union membership has been in freefall since the early 1980s. http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s1888950.htm HOWARD: "Union membership has now become overwhelmingly something that exists in public sector employment and hardly at all in private sector employment. mmm only for the public servants..... how do you explain the membership in Institute of Chartered Acoountants Engineers Australia Royal Australian Institute of Architects Australian Medical Association Australian Federation of Air Pilots Institute of Foresters of Australia Law Society and so on why shouldn't a labor pollie be a member of a guild, union or professional association... do you have a problem with that as well Aloysius?
Aloysius Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 what facts.. membership numbers have dropped because of workchoices?because of workchoices, workers no longer require unions or workchoices bring intimidation into the worplace which one is it Aloysius ... how about making it a bit clearer? http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s1888950.htm [/b] mmm only for the public servants..... how do you explain the membership in Institute of Chartered Acoountants Engineers Australia Royal Australian Institute of Architects Australian Medical Association Australian Federation of Air Pilots Institute of Foresters of Australia Law Society and so on why shouldn't a labor pollie be a member of a guild, union or professional association... do you have a problem with that as well Aloysius? I think it would be fair to say that the shrivelling of union membership is a long term trend that certainly started a long time before work choice legislation? No reason at all that the ALP should not have their rules of membership.
DrP Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 Union membership has been on a long steady decline for many decades since most employees consider themselves to be in a country with reasonable working conditions where they have reasonable job security. Unfortunately Howard has gone to considerable lengths to dismantle those working conditions and remove job security. Don't be too surprised if a big upswing in union membership occurs in the not too distant future once 'mainstream' employees start to get severly burnt by Howard's changes.
Charlie 75 Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 what facts.. membership numbers have dropped because of workchoices?because of workchoices, workers no longer require unions or workchoices bring intimidation into the worplace which one is it Aloysius ... how about making it a bit clearer? http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2007/s1888950.htm [/b] mmm only for the public servants..... how do you explain the membership in Institute of Chartered Acoountants Engineers Australia Royal Australian Institute of Architects Australian Medical Association Australian Federation of Air Pilots Institute of Foresters of Australia Law Society and so on why shouldn't a labor pollie be a member of a guild, union or professional association... do you have a problem with that as well Aloysius? Skid, by mentioning the Pilots' Union you brought back memories of the Pilots Strike when that great champion of the union member and the working class man, Bob Hawke, teamed up with the enemy of the proletariat, Peter Abeles, and did something that should stick in the throat of every card carrying Labor Party member and every Union member in the whole country: He destroyed a Union which was exercising its right to strike. What a hero of the masses!!
Santa1503559644 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Posted May 1, 2007 Skid, by mentioning the Pilots' Union you brought back memories of the Pilots Strike when that great champion of the union member and the working class man, Bob Hawke, teamed up with the enemy of the proletariat, Peter Abeles, and did something that should stick in the throat of every card carrying Labor Party member and every Union member in the whole country:He destroyed a Union which was exercising its right to strike. What a hero of the masses!! Yeah, what a bastard ... scared into directly doing the will of "big business". Much better to use Lil' Johnnie's backdoor methods. That way you kill two birds with one stone - stuff the pilots and feather the nests of your filthy rich mates!
Aloysius Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 Yeah, what a bastard ... scared into directly doing the will of "big business".Much better to use Lil' Johnnie's backdoor methods. That way you kill two birds with one stone - stuff the pilots and feather the nests of your filthy rich mates! Or go straight through the front door and jeopardize the much maligned mining boom to feather the nests of ALP "mates" Oh the irony Someday soon I'm going to have to adopt your "All Pollies are as bad as each other" philosophy
DrP Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 Someday soon I'm going to have to adopt your "All Pollies are as bad as each other" philosophy Time to step up to reality Al. Even the pollies that come into the job filled with good intentions sooner or later start down that slippery slope that leads to the trough. Its a rare pollie indeed that doesn't (I can think of a few, but out of the masses, its very few).
stahc Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 Or go straight through the front door and jeopardize the much maligned mining boom to feather the nests of ALP "mates" Oh the irony Someday soon I'm going to have to adopt your "All Pollies are as bad as each other" philosophy or use dogs and balaclavas......................forgotten that one have we..............i haven't
Aloysius Posted May 1, 2007 Posted May 1, 2007 Time to step up to reality Al. Even the pollies that come into the job filled with good intentions sooner or later start down that slippery slope that leads to the trough. Its a rare pollie indeed that doesn't (I can think of a few, but out of the masses, its very few). So to use that logic - you can excuse Howard - hey he's been there a long time - time to become a trough dweller On the other hand ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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