Stop The Presses: The Story Rudd Tried To Kill

[Aloysius]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/the-sto...4761750893.html

It's a four page story, that's been dragging on for about a fortnight, so bring a cut lunch.

[Skid_MacMarx]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/the-sto...4761750893.html

It's a four page story, that's been dragging on for about a fortnight, so bring a cut lunch.

hey backyard butcher Aloysius Abbott whats the point of this beat up

I reckon you should go back to your hammock and flog it

[mello yello]

Aloys a greenie now Skid......hes recycling old rubbish.

Onya Aloy

I cant read past the first couple of paragraphs .....Aloy tell us what happened will you?

Whats the moral of the story?

[mello yello]

Should we have a generic News Items thread to discuss daily news stories when all that is quoted is just the news item but no real discussion strategy.....(typical of Liberal Party thinking though..no entry strategy..no exit strategy....nothing...just all "feathers no meat")

I mean unless there is a discussion encouraged should any one off statement type threads just be bundled together into generic thread? Of course discussion can happen there.

Lyle? Aloy? Anyone? would you be happy with that idea.?

Im not necessarily bagging you Aloy....its just brought up something Ive been wondering for a while.

[mello yello]

Ok I waited 10 minutes and got no reply

....so I went and did it

..introducing....

Not The Nine O'Clock News

Hopefully we can put all our news items related stuff in there...unless of course a particular news item is intended to generate a discussion and not just make a statement.....political or otherwise

<---helpful thoughtful winky

[Aloysius]

Should we have a generic News Items thread to discuss daily news stories when all that is quoted is just the news item but no real discussion strategy.....(typical of Liberal Party thinking though..no entry strategy..no exit strategy....nothing...just all "feathers no meat")

I mean unless there is a discussion encouraged should any one off statement type threads just be bundled together into generic thread? Of course discussion can happen there.

Lyle? Aloy? Anyone? would you be happy with that idea.?

Im not necessarily bagging you Aloy....its just brought up something Ive been wondering for a while.

You are just recycling an old PC ploy - don't like the way it's heading - stop reading, - don't know what it said - ask for help - diminish the importance of the issue - call for new ways of handling generic news items that we don't like and etc etc etc

I don't for a moment suggest this is bagging on your part Mel!

I deliberately make no comment so that the item speaks for itself - thought that was an evenhanded thing to do - read whatever you will into it.

If there is any truth in the story there are significant issues involved.

To answer your question re a generic news item thread - - there is an adequate number of generic threads running to give rise to the suspicion that they are not a universal panacea for all purposes - in short some are - well - yawn

[mello yello]

- yawn

uhuh

[Austen]

I think it's a good idea, just a thread to post news items that may be of general passing interest to others....I slipped over and had a quick look, and might have a hamburger for breakfast.

mello, does it also have pictures <====wondering winky and weather ?

Austen.

[Foggy]

FFS Alan.... get things into perspective. If this is all that little johnny's attack dogs can come up with, then they shouldn't be in government.

Now let's see, even if it were true.... Rudd embellished the truth a little.... whereas the weasel has given carte blanche to one of his accomplices and liberal party donors to build a nuclear powerplant anywhere in Australia.

If you want to discuss credibility and embellishment of the truth, let's talk about the Tampa, the invasion and slaughter of Iraq, AWB..... and the list goes on.... Rudd is not even in the same universe as the lying rodent when it comes to such matters.

[Aloysius]

FFS Alan.... get things into perspective. If this is all that little johnny's attack dogs can come up with, then they shouldn't be in government.

Now let's see, even if it were true.... Rudd embellished the truth a little.... whereas the weasel has given carte blanche to one of his accomplices and liberal party donors to build a nuclear powerplant anywhere in Australia.

If you want to discuss credibility and embellishment of the truth, let's talk about the Tampa, the invasion and slaughter of Iraq, AWB..... and the list goes on.... Rudd is not even in the same universe as the lying rodent when it comes to such matters.

Might not be as earth shattering Foggy - but I think you have answered part of my questions - You believe that the reporter is a Howard attack dog - I have no way of knowing that. Thank you for your response.

The bigger questions I had related to the claimed threats coming from Mr Rudds minders etc to a reporter running the story.

[Foggy]

The bigger questions I had related to the claimed threats coming from Mr Rudds minders etc to a reporter running the story.

OMG... media manipulation by a politician.... that's unheard of!!

:cough: David Hicks :cough:

[Skid_MacMarx]

If there is any truth in the story there are significant issues involved.

From one of your dear idols: "please explain"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRP2ykxN90I

[aztec]

Stories like this belong on TT or ACA, or even Springer. You will notice that a number of contributors to The Herald are extremely right-wing, eg Miranda Devine. When it comes to political truths the newspapers are the last place you would go, IMO.

[Foggy]

Might not be as earth shattering Foggy - but I think you have answered part of my questions - You believe that the reporter is a Howard attack dog - I have no way of knowing that. Thank you for your response.

Did I say that the reporter was the attack dog???

I was just considering the possibility that one of little Johnny's pet chihuahua's might be involved, but then again, even if they aren't, this story is almost insignificant in the face of the rampant corruption that we have seen by the current feral government.

[stahc]

FFS Alan.... get things into perspective. If this is all that little johnny's attack dogs can come up with, then they shouldn't be in government.

Now let's see, even if it were true.... Rudd embellished the truth a little.... whereas the weasel has given carte blanche to one of his accomplices and liberal party donors to build a nuclear powerplant anywhere in Australia.

If you want to discuss credibility and embellishment of the truth, let's talk about the Tampa, the invasion and slaughter of Iraq, AWB..... and the list goes on.... Rudd is not even in the same universe as the lying rodent when it comes to such matters.

don't forget the dogs and balaclavas

[Steve C]

You are just recycling an old PC ploy - don't like the way it's heading - stop reading, - don't know what it said - ask for help - diminish the importance of the issue - call for new ways of handling generic news items that we don't like and etc etc etc

I don't for a moment suggest this is bagging on your part Mel!

I deliberately make no comment so that the item speaks for itself - thought that was an evenhanded thing to do - read whatever you will into it.

If there is any truth in the story there are significant issues involved.

To answer your question re a generic news item thread - - there is an adequate number of generic threads running to give rise to the suspicion that they are not a universal panacea for all purposes - in short some are - well - yawn

No Politically Correct ploy from me Aloy.

I wondered when I first saw this piece of excrescence, how long it would take for someone to create a thread about it here.

One of the worst examples of "This Day Tonight" sensationalist style reporting, of one of the most harrowing events for any youngster to face; getting twisted all these years later into a one of the most bizarre attempts I've ever seen to paint someone as being of poor character.

The whole issue requires those who are declaring Mr Rudd of being deceiptful to fully believe only the landlord's point of view.

Let's face it - from the point of view of many landlords, tenants are a necessary evil, and a whole family full of unproductive necessary evils that have lost their productive father are just an unwanted burden.

From the tenant's point of view: i.e. the Rudd family; the plight at such a time wouldn't have centred around what Kevin thought or did. Perhaps you've been lucky enough to avoid such tragedies. Be very, very thankful if you haven't had to deal at the age of 11 with the loss of your father.

I was 22 when I lost my father, and if any news reporter had tried to 'dig' into events or supposed disputes my family had subsequent to his passing; I'd have sent them to their graves, to honour both my father's integrity and what had to be done by all concerned after his passing, rather than just make some phone called objections to barefaced acts of blatant disrespect by individuals with no connection to the events or those enmeshed in them.

Seems you can't understand that both the landlord and tenant are thrust into unfamiliar territory by an event that neither would have welcomed - and the true test of character for each was then thrust upon them.

That both parties differ in judging their actions of the time as the appropriate ones for each to have taken, is only natural - and who knows which version is the 'correct' version.

Certainly not me, or you and least of all the dumb arsed reporters who are trying in vain to turn this into an issue.

Why in vain? Because not everyone is incapable of realising that this story might make staunch Conservatives wave their arms about with glee, but many will be aware that they would do the same as Mr Rudd has done - simply as a mark of respect to a deceased father and to the landlords family.

Most Australians understand that a story like this should be just that: a story; and in many ways a story that should stay exactly where it has been until Kerry-Anne "couldn't give a rat's about other people" Walsh overheard some gossip at a function. All sides suffered enough back then - but; oh no, the weasel press can sniff a story that'll make everyone continue to suffer...

If you don't appreciate a perfectly reasonable request for the media to respect the memory of members of both families, then you are an accessory to the defiling of the memories of those family members that are admired and loved, by the media's most grubby individuals who don't even deserve the dignity of being spat upon for their offence. These reporters may not be committing a rape or murder, but they are denigrating the memories and events of the past in order to reap present gain. May they rot in the deepest bowels of pergatory where they belong.

[Aloysius]

Did I say that the reporter was the attack dog???

I was just considering the possibility that one of little Johnny's pet chihuahua's might be involved, but then again, even if they aren't, this story is almost insignificant in the face of the rampant corruption that we have seen by the current feral government.

No Foggy, I read the article - all 4 pages.

I don't know who Mr Ramsay or the other people are who wrote the thing.

Comparing relative importance in your opinion is as valid as doing it in my opinion - with no disrespect intended toward you - or me whatsoever.

[Aloysius]

No Politically Correct ploy from me Aloy.

I wondered when I first saw this piece of excrescence, how long it would take for someone to create a thread about it here.

One of the worst examples of "This Day Tonight" sensationalist style reporting, of one of the most harrowing events for any youngster to face; getting twisted all these years later into a one of the most bizarre attempts I've ever seen to paint someone as being of poor character.

The whole issue requires those who are declaring Mr Rudd of being deceiptful to fully believe only the landlord's point of view.

Let's face it - from the point of view of many landlords, tenants are a necessary evil, and a whole family full of unproductive necessary evils that have lost their productive father are just an unwanted burden.

From the tenant's point of view: i.e. the Rudd family; the plight at such a time wouldn't have centred around what Kevin thought or did. Perhaps you've been lucky enough to avoid such tragedies. Be very, very thankful if you haven't had to deal at the age of 11 with the loss of your father.

I was 22 when I lost my father, and if any news reporter had tried to 'dig' into events or supposed disputes my family had subsequent to his passing; I'd have sent them to their graves, to honour both my father's integrity and what had to be done by all concerned after his passing, rather than just make some phone called objections to barefaced acts of blatant disrespect by individuals with no connection to the events or those enmeshed in them.

Seems you can't understand that both the landlord and tenant are thrust into unfamiliar territory by an event that neither would have welcomed - and the true test of character for each was then thrust upon them.

That both parties differ in judging their actions of the time as the appropriate ones for each to have taken, is only natural - and who knows which version is the 'correct' version.

Certainly not me, or you and least of all the dumb arsed reporters who are trying in vain to turn this into an issue.

Why in vain? Because not everyone is incapable of realising that this story might make staunch Conservatives wave their arms about with glee, but many will be aware that they would do the same as Mr Rudd has done - simply as a mark of respect to a deceased father and to the landlords family.

Most Australians understand that a story like this should be just that: a story; and in many ways a story that should stay exactly where it has been until Kerry-Anne "couldn't give a rat's about other people" Walsh overheard some gossip at a function. All sides suffered enough back then - but; oh no, the weasel press can sniff a story that'll make everyone continue to suffer...

If you don't appreciate a perfectly reasonable request for the media to respect the memory of members of both families, then you are an accessory to the defiling of the memories of those family members that are admired and loved, by the media's most grubby individuals who don't even deserve the dignity of being spat upon for their offence. These reporters may not be committing a rape or murder, but they are denigrating the memories and events of the past in order to reap present gain. May they rot in the deepest bowels of pergatory where they belong.

That's where it all started Steve -

members of a family believing that their families name had been tarnished on national TV.

They share your view that it's not acceptable to denigrate their family members.

[Steve C]

That's where it all started Steve -

members of a family believing that their families name had been tarnished on national TV.

They share your view that it's not acceptable to denigrate their family members.

Who shares my view that it's not acceptable to denigrate their family members on national TV? Actually; that was a rhetorical question, because I know to which family you refer. I take it you were there in 1969? No?

So you are basing the verity of events long past on recollections of those with a bias. I'd love to have you on a jury Al!

That the media is not only giving this so-called "story" credence, but is even embellishing facts in order to create 'news-worthiness' is the issue of greatest concern, but that doesn't seem to be of concern to you at all.

This story should have been squashed by all sides of politics, and from the highest echelons of the media as well. Once upon a time it would have - but our current political reality is much, much grubbier and will keep putrifying unless there is serious change in the halls of power as well as the media.

[Aloysius]

Who shares my view that it's not acceptable to denigrate their family members on national TV? Actually; that was a rhetorical question, because I know to which family you refer. I take it you were there in 1969? No?

So you are basing the verity of events long past on recollections of those with a bias. I'd love to have you on a jury Al!

That the media is not only giving this so-called "story" credence, but is even embellishing facts in order to create 'news-worthiness' is the issue of greatest concern, but that doesn't seem to be of concern to you at all.

This story should have been squashed by all sides of politics, and from the highest echelons of the media as well. Once upon a time it would have - but our current political reality is much, much grubbier and will keep putrifying unless there is serious change in the halls of power as well as the media.

That's a bit rich Steve - You are happy to take Mr Rudds (unbiased) recollection - no worries - but others (biased) - well - what can they remember?

Can I be on your jury ?

As for story squashing - are you nominating for the position of arbiter of stories that should or should not be squashed - you seem to be.

[Steve C]

That's a bit rich Steve - You are happy to take Mr Rudds (unbiased) recollection - no worries - but others (biased) - well - what can they remember?

As for story squashing - are you nominating for the position of arbiter of stories that should or should not be squashed - you seem to be.

Huh?

I wasn't there in 1969. I don't have personally gained insights into which version of events is more accurate.

What I do have is the capacity to accept that it was a harrowing time for all concerned, and that as such, it should remain something for both families to resolve for themselves.

I don't take great joy from seeing two families being goaded into a 'cock fight' by a bunch of media employed provocatuers. That many may enjoy it, is just a sign of how the qualities of decency Western society once valued, have fallen prey to the forces of entropy.

There used to be a code of decency that governed the propriety of the media when faced with the choice of publishing such stories or not. It was a belief in that sense of propriety and the actions it required, that led the Federal Government to formulate it's self regulatory manifesto.

That such a core manifesto can be so blattantly flouted when there is gain to be made from it's flouting, is a far greater concern than whether Mr Rudd's recollection of events in 1969 is better or not than the recollection of those who feel their version is more accurate.

I can recognise that it may be difficult to comprehend that such an observation isn't a call for personal jurisdiction over the probity of media items deemed fit for publication or release...

Crikey; I leave such decisions up to the Editor of the paper I work for, because I know that he understands the concept - even if there are those who don't.

[SDL]

I think if the Libs have to rely on 4 page stories to get at Rudd they are done for. Your average punter just ain't gunna read it. KISS is what politics is all about.

[Aloysius]

I think if the Libs have to rely on 4 page stories to get at Rudd they are done for. Your average punter just ain't gunna read it. KISS is what politics is all about.

I agree!

[Skid_MacMarx]

They share your view that it's not acceptable to denigrate their family members.

hey Aloysius, does this family support one nation like you?

I don't know if lil johnny lost his dad when he was a child,, or he sucked his thumb when he was a baby and I don't really care

what i'm concerned about is how effective he and his administration is in providing beneficial outcomes for ALL Australians

and the record so far has been extremely poor.. eg. housing affording, increasing casual employment (replacing full time positions), the erosion of workplace rights, the environment, civil and human rights issues.. etc.

I'm willing to give crudd "a go" ..

if you want to use a slogan like "stop the press" leave it for something like when your leader gets shot in Iraq

talk about desperate

[Aloysius]

hey Aloysius, does this family support one nation like you?

I don't know if lil johnny lost his dad when he was a child,, or he sucked his thumb when he was a baby and I don't really care

what i'm concerned about is how effective he and his administration is in providing beneficial outcomes for ALL Australians

and the record so far has been extremely poor.. eg. housing affording, increasing casual employment (replacing full time positions), the erosion of workplace rights, the environment, civil and human rights issues.. etc.

I'm willing to give crudd "a go" ..

if you want to use a slogan like "stop the press" leave it for something like when your leader gets shot in Iraq

talk about desperate

Easy there Skid - "Stop the presses" was the headline quoted.