New 1080p Samsung Lcd's For Aussie Market.

[x2gamer2003]

I got the info off the US site and it says this.

I want the 46 inch version.

I like the 15000:1 Contrast ratio and the 3 HDMI 1.3 ports. The built in HD tuner is nice thing to have , though it will be used as a HTPC, but nice to have HD PIP if thats posssible.

The 8ms Response time worries me though, I was thinking maybe they would get that down to 6ms maybe, though 8ms is still good and proabably wont notice anything bad.

One thing botthers me is the PC outputs for HTPC use for Component and HDMI and VGA. I want them all to do 1080p and all fit to the screen. Will have to wait for some feedback on that to see if that is possible. I only realy want it for HDMI, but very handy to have it for the other two as well.

LN-T4665F

46" 1080p HDTV w/Integrated ATSC Tuner

For those who are ready for the clearest, brightest LCD picture on the market today, Samsung presents the LN-T4665F. Full 1080p resolution is just the beginning: the color-saturated 46" picture boasts a 15000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, displaying rich blacks and capturing subtle nuances. A fast 8ms response time ensures smooth, lifelike motion. SRS TruSurround XT™ sound from hidden side speakers is enhanced by the premium audio sound of 2.2 channel dome speakers. Enjoy connectivity with all your other digital devices, with 3 HDMI ports and a full complement of inputs. And the handy HMDI-CEC feature lets you control all your CEC-enabled peripherals using just one remote.

Damn, now I have to wait more now. I guess the 15000:1 Contrast ratio is much better than 6000:1 of the last model and a few other things are worth it I guess.

Thanks for any info and or chat and or help.

Byes.

/PS 15000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. Whats that mean. I suppose its a maximum and minimum kind of thing, never 15000 for very long ??? mor elike 6000 to 15000 ?

[Owen]

Don’t believe the contrast ratio numbers, they are a deception and not representative of real world operation.

The panel its self has a CR of less then 2000:1, and while dynamic back lighting certainly helps, forcing anything like 15,000:1 is going to have significant unpleasant side affects.

HDMI 1.3 is also of little or no use.

[Pixels]

Owen's on the money, quoted contrast numbers are about as rubbery as peak music power output!

Yes, dynamic contrast is were they vary the amount of source light 'on the fly' depending on overall brightness of the picture content at any point in time.

[PanaSung]

Don't forget to audtion these new high spec LCD's and make your own mind up whether the HD PQ is acceptable{I'm certain it will be, but as usual, SDTV/FOX/DVD "might" struggle on this type of his res panel}.

I don't think 2000-2500:1 contrast ratio's are anything to be sneezed at.

The value of LCD is it's size and use as a PC monitor.........there might be other HD panel options with better PQ, but none with better versatility.

[x2gamer2003]

Don't forget to audtion these new high spec LCD's and make your own mind up whether the HD PQ is acceptable{I'm certain it will be, but as usual, SDTV/FOX/DVD "might" struggle on this type of his res panel}.

I don't think 2000-2500:1 contrast ratio's are anything to be sneezed at.

The value of LCD is it's size and use as a PC monitor.........there might be other HD panel options with better PQ, but none with better versatility.

Will have to see some reviews before I buy one, but even then I still want one if the reviews are not great. Seems Samsung are the only LCD TV maker than gives a crap about HTPC users at the moment.

Seems there is no other choice.

Thanks.

[PanaSung]

Will have to see some reviews before I buy one, but even then I still want one if the reviews are not great. Seems Samsung are the only LCD TV maker than gives a crap about HTPC users at the moment.

Seems there is no other choice.

Thanks.

Are we 100% sure the Sharps don't work for HTPC....I thought they were a bit tricky but doable.

Anyway, it's poor form to buy now......ideally wait until the manufacturers that matter all release their 1080's and we can get some forum feedback from knowledgeable users.

Btw, I can understand the temptation, I'm tempted to pull the trigger on all sorts of goodies, but I'd rather wait and allow it to "come to me".

[Owen]

Please don’t confuse PC use with “HTPC” use, the requirements are very different.

All displays work fine as a “Home Theatre PC” display.

LCD’s are very good as PC monitors, but make the worst “Home Theatre” displays.

[ReefBoy]

Went to HN Alexandria in Sydney. They had the 52 inch listed in their computer for $5 499.00 . The salesman said they were expected early April but most likely mid May. At this price, Sony and Sharp are in for some stiff competition.

Christopher

[nis200979]

Will have to see some reviews before I buy one, but even then I still want one if the reviews are not great. Seems Samsung are the only LCD TV maker than gives a crap about HTPC users at the moment.

Seems there is no other choice.

Thanks.

The 42"Sharp has twin HDMI video inputs and a single DVI input for PC use. Now that's the most serious so far.

I think the Samsung / Sony patnership is the benchmark in LCDs at the moment, but the current F series 1080p was pretty disappointing. The Sony X series (despite the backlight issues) was a MUCH better tv.

Having said that, a Panasonic or Pioneer PDP was a better option, but if you must have LCD, currently it's Sony, then Samsung, then Sharp followed by Philips.

Remember, Philips claim a 3ms LCD if you want the best.

[PanaSung]

The 42"Sharp has twin HDMI video inputs and a single DVI input for PC use. Now that's the most serious so far.

I think the Samsung / Sony patnership is the benchmark in LCDs at the moment, but the current F series 1080p was pretty disappointing. The Sony X series (despite the backlight issues) was a MUCH better tv.

Having said that, a Panasonic or Pioneer PDP was a better option, but if you must have LCD, currently it's Sony, then Samsung, then Sharp followed by Philips.

Remember, Philips claim a 3ms LCD if you want the best.

Word on the street is that Philips has the best LCD PQ, but it naturally comes with a price premium.

As for Sony....I would only pay a Sony price for 46in and larger LCD{cause smaller LCD hide picture defects}, however, I would need confirmation via website/user reviews that it was the best, not just the best marketed TV.

[nis200979]

Word on the street is that Philips has the best LCD PQ, but it naturally comes with a price premium.

As for Sony....I would only pay a Sony price for 46in and larger LCD{cause smaller LCD hide picture defects}, however, I would need confirmation via website/user reviews that it was the best, not just the best marketed TV.

Obviously the street I live on has a different word on it Panasung.

Why would you check a website to see which LCD is best?

Wouldn't you have a look at it in the flesh, adjust it, view different material and quality, and then make an educated, independant and informative judgement?

Despite the bashing on here at times, the Sony V and X Series (price aside) are the best quality LCDs IMO. Excellent 1080 performance, as well as decent SD quality.

The same can NOT be said for the Sharp LC42PD5x and LC52PD5x series. Give it HQ 1080p content and it shines. Every bit as good as the Sony, and a better looking tv IMO than the X series. But anything other than HQ 1080p content (even 1080i looks average I think) and the tv is full of scaling artifacts.

As for Philips, good for fast movement with Digital Natural Motion, but it comes at a price. It gives a noticable halo effect in high contrast issues. Quality control for me is still a question with the Chinese assembled Philips. 2yrs ago they used to be lemons, and you still seem to see a lot in the Panasales ads. They are better than 2yrs ago, but I think Sony (despite the backlight issues) is the best quality and most reliable LCD available now.

Having said that, the biggest LCD I would buy is the Panasonic TX32LXD600 or the Sony KDL32V2000 (too expensive, Panasonic ALMOST as good, and better in some ways).

[Sharka]

Just to throw a spanner into the works. Sony are also releasing a new V series and new X series this year...

Heres hoping for cheaper prices and better quality...

Although... if Sony insist on only letting 1080p work over HDMI, then I will just buy the sammy.

Samsung are alot more care free with their panels. and being an Owner of a 360 and PS3. I would much rather have the ability to get 1080P over VGA (for 360) and over HDMI (for PS3).

Although the new sony panels also use the new XMB as seen in the PS3 and PSP... should be very intresting.

Philips are over rating imo... afterall Philips are working with LG when it comes to panels...

[PanaSung]

I've not personally seen a single Philips LCD, but their 06 range won European LCD of the yr, and their 42in LCD debuted at HN for $6000 8 months ago......so if it doesn't have something going for it, then people have been swindled....having said that, I've read way too many reviews to doubt the Philips HDTV PQ.

IMO, you should never feed a LCD larger than 32in anything other than HDTV/DVD.....32's clearly hide many PQ defects assoicated with size and high resolution.

I don't own a single SONY product these days,..... and yrs ago when Panasonic introduced the Superdrive VCR's, Sony wasn't anywhere near the top for PQ{based on my reading at that time}, but I have been giving SONY LCD props for PQ, but as you mention, they're overpriced.

As for Sharp.....I say what I said before, they have the best LCD PQ{32 and 42in} that I've ever seen....I have no idea about other performance issues with the Sharps, but I say again, DO NOT FEED LARGE LCD **** SIGNALS...ie, foxtel.

At the moment, LCD and Plasma PQ differ....Plasma is dramatic, Hollywood razzle and dazzle, but LCD is sharp and tight, arguably more realistic, a more authentic PQ with the right LCD and source.....but I'll leave it to you to decide which you prefer.

FYI, I'm someone who will probably end up with both a plasma and a LCD.

[x2gamer2003]

I've not personally seen a single Philips LCD, but their 06 range won European LCD of the yr, and their 42in LCD debuted at HN for $6000 8 months ago......so if it doesn't have something going for it, then people have been swindled....having said that, I've read way too many reviews to doubt the Philips HDTV PQ.

IMO, you should never feed a LCD larger than 32in anything other than HDTV/DVD.....32's clearly hide many PQ defects assoicated with size and high resolution.

I don't own a single SONY product these days,..... and yrs ago when Panasonic introduced the Superdrive VCR's, Sony wasn't anywhere near the top for PQ{based on my reading at that time}, but I have been giving SONY LCD props for PQ, but as you mention, they're overpriced.

As for Sharp.....I say what I said before, they have the best LCD PQ{32 and 42in} that I've ever seen....I have no idea about other performance issues with the Sharps, but I say again, DO NOT FEED LARGE LCD **** SIGNALS...ie, foxtel.

At the moment, LCD and Plasma PQ differ....Plasma is dramatic, Hollywood razzle and dazzle, but LCD is sharp and tight, arguably more realistic, a more authentic PQ with the right LCD and source.....but I'll leave it to you to decide which you prefer.

FYI, I'm someone who will probably end up with both a plasma and a LCD.

I wish SED was here, no more fracking plasmas or LCDs then

Even if it cost more you would have a fantastic TV, well worth the cost as well. They will probalby be over 1080p by the time they are released, which is FINE BY ME

I think I will have to get my new Model Samsung though as I don't see SED even in the WAY WAY WAy distant future at the moment. I wish they would sell them

Byes.

[nis200979]

I've not personally seen a single Philips LCD, but their 06 range won European LCD of the yr, and their 42in LCD debuted at HN for $6000 8 months ago......so if it doesn't have something going for it, then people have been swindled....having said that, I've read way too many reviews to doubt the Philips HDTV PQ.

This is a forum for advice and opinions. Panasun, why don't you bring some of your OWN opinions, not the rubbish that buyers can take off the manufacturers own website. Also, could it bethat being a Dutch company helps Philips win the European awards. I'm not suggesting they are rigged, but being European and designing for Europeans would certainly help in the awards.

[nis200979]

IMO, you should never feed a LCD larger than 32in anything other than HDTV/DVD.....32's clearly hide many PQ defects assoicated with size and high resolution.

You heard it guys. Buy 2 tvs, one Philips 42" LCD and one Pansonic 51cm CRT. Check the display settings when viewing, anything less than 720p broadcasts you will have to go to the bedroom to watch tv because of the quality.

[nis200979]

I don't own a single SONY product these days,..... and yrs ago when Panasonic introduced the Superdrive VCR's, Sony wasn't anywhere near the top for PQ{based on my reading at that time}, but I have been giving SONY LCD props for PQ, but as you mention, they're overpriced.

Sharp LC42PD5x retails in most stores at $5199 (42" 1920x1080)

Sony KDL40X2000 retails in most stores at $4999 (40" 1920x1080)

Sharp has a 3 yr warranty, but hardly is the Sony a rip off, thats pretty similiar pricing in my mind

[nis200979]

As for Sharp.....I say what I said before, they have the best LCD PQ{32 and 42in} that I've ever seen....I have no idea about other performance issues with the Sharps, but I say again, DO NOT FEED LARGE LCD **** SIGNALS...ie, foxtel.

I don't understand you Panasung. Someone who loves their tv and pays $60-100p.m. for Foxtel should limit themselves to a 26" LCD or a 68cm CRT????

Even for you it's a new low. Foxtel users, get yourself a Scart to component adapter ($70 is standard) and enjoy Foxtel on any size screen at a reasonable viewing distance.

I am 2.75-3m from a 42", I think another 1m for a 50".

[nis200979]

FYI, I'm someone who will probably end up with both a plasma and a LCD.

That is the only intelligent thing I have seen you post. Buying a small LCD and a large plasma is where the market is at the moment.

Large plasmas give a great picture and excellent value for money.

Small LCDs are very sharp, and the colours are getting better all the time. Contrast is quite acceptable on many smaller LCDs now, particurly for their intended purpose.

[monkeu]

I just talked to one of the guys at my local JB, and asked him about the new Samsung LCDs. He told me they should be in in the next few weeks. They were in his book already, so I asked him about prices. He said that the 40 inch 1080p w/ HD tuner is down at $3999, while the 46 inch 1080p w/ HD tuner is in his book at $5100. He said that there's some movement in those prices though, so the 46 inch should be under $5000 the moment it hits the floor.

[nis200979]

I just talked to one of the guys at my local JB, and asked him about the new Samsung LCDs. He told me they should be in in the next few weeks. They were in his book already, so I asked him about prices. He said that the 40 inch 1080p w/ HD tuner is down at $3999, while the 46 inch 1080p w/ HD tuner is in his book at $5100. He said that there's some movement in those prices though, so the 46 inch should be under $5000 the moment it hits the floor.

Yeah, We have the RRP at $3999 for the LA40M81, LA46M81 at $4999, and $7999 for the LA52M81. No concrete date, but expect within 2 weeks.

Sony RRP drops tomorrow (4/4) to $4599 for KDL40X2000, and I think $6499 46" and $8999 for 52".

[PanaSung]

I don't understand you Panasung. Someone who loves their tv and pays $60-100p.m. for Foxtel should limit themselves to a 26" LCD or a 68cm CRT????

Even for you it's a new low. Foxtel users, get yourself a Scart to component adapter ($70 is standard) and enjoy Foxtel on any size screen at a reasonable viewing distance.

I am 2.75-3m from a 42", I think another 1m for a 50".

I meant over 32inches....32 will be okay for everything......remember one must factor in the TV's entire range of abilities, ie, WS/FS/weight/moveability/versatility.

FYI, I've seen Foxtel via scart component on a 40in LCD and the PQ was horrid on the sports channels, slighty better on the movie channels, but overall very ordinary.

A 32 would look much tighter, so it would hide Foxtel's low bitrate feed somewhat.

One more thing, the Foxtel PQ on my 68cm Sharp CRT is impressive, and that's via composite

[KRiSX]

hey all, i put a similar post in the new sony x series thread.. but i wanted to make sure i get enough replies to help me out!

last weekend i put a deposit down on a current model 46" sony x series...

i did it due to getting what i thought was an awesome price $4500 + $200 for 5 yr warranty (so $4700 total)

i have heard bits n pieces about the new sony's and samsung's but now i'm starting to worry...

i can still back out (it may cost me about $20 to cancel)... but i need to decide quick as my tv should arrive on thursday!

is it worth waiting for the new models? things i will be using on my tv will be 360 @ 720p (currently connected via vga) ps3 @ 1080i (hdmi) and normal tv (no foxtel or anything)...

i have a samsung 32" at the moment and love it... and i want to be just as happy with my next purchase, can someone advise on what to do?

i've been very happy with my samsung... but i want a bigger screen... now i just don't know if i should wait for the new samsung or the new sony!?!

please help

[nis200979]

hey all, i put a similar post in the new sony x series thread.. but i wanted to make sure i get enough replies to help me out!

last weekend i put a deposit down on a current model 46" sony x series...

i did it due to getting what i thought was an awesome price $4500 + $200 for 5 yr warranty (so $4700 total)

i have heard bits n pieces about the new sony's and samsung's but now i'm starting to worry...

i can still back out (it may cost me about $20 to cancel)... but i need to decide quick as my tv should arrive on thursday!

is it worth waiting for the new models? things i will be using on my tv will be 360 @ 720p (currently connected via vga) ps3 @ 1080i (hdmi) and normal tv (no foxtel or anything)...

i have a samsung 32" at the moment and love it... and i want to be just as happy with my next purchase, can someone advise on what to do?

i've been very happy with my samsung... but i want a bigger screen... now i just don't know if i should wait for the new samsung or the new sony!?!

please help

The Sony is always better than the Samsung, how much? Dunno, haven't seen the M81 yet. The Sony is a better quality tv, assembled in Japan. It now seems the Samsung (at least the 32") are assembled in Thailand. Both source Korean panels.

The X series is still king of the LCDs, then the Sharp, then the Samsung. I reckon the new M81 will be better than the Sharp though.

[KRiSX]

The Sony is always better than the Samsung, how much? Dunno, haven't seen the M81 yet. The Sony is a better quality tv, assembled in Japan. It now seems the Samsung (at least the 32") are assembled in Thailand. Both source Korean panels.

The X series is still king of the LCDs, then the Sharp, then the Samsung. I reckon the new M81 will be better than the Sharp though.

so should i just stick with what i've ordered?? a couple of mates have said to wait due to HDMI 1.3 and various other things... but i'm not what i'd call a high end user that has to have all the latest and greatest...

sure i have a ps3.. which is the only hdmi 1.3 device available at this point (from what i've heard)... but i'm seriously happy with how it looks on my 32" sammy... so why wait? the only other purchase i plan to make is a surround system... and i'm not going to go heaps high with that either... most likely just gonna grab a sony 6.2 channel setup or one of the other 5.1 kits i've seen (and heard and liked)...

another thing is 1080p... the way i see it i have 2 devices capable of it... one HDMI and one component or VGA (i prefer VGA)... i hear i will only be able to run 1080p via HDMI... is that enough to stop my purchase?

i need to be pointed in the right direction by people that don't always have to have the latest and greatest... lol... as i can't decide!

Edited April 4, 2007 by KRiSX