DrP Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 States back GST hike, Costello says... "The risk is this: after the election, with eight premiers and chief ministers who all have an incentive for increasing the GST rate, they will influence him and bear down on an inexperienced leader that I don't think will be able to withstand their pressure." ... Full (of sh*t) article... Perhaps not. Desperate doesn't quite convey the complete depth of the panic that has hit the Libs!
Santa1503559644 Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Any comments, Al? They really are running off the rails, aren't they? This is getting ridiculous! You'd think there was a Labor stooge/saboteur running their re-election strategy! Maybe this is what they get for putting the evil Andy Robbbb into parliament, rather than doing his usual **** behind the scenes?!?!
Skid_MacMarx Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 The first of the economic "fear campaigns",,,,the irony is that its from the party who introduced the GST in the first place, The Federal Opposition has dismissed the Treasurer's warning.The Opposition's treasury spokesman, Wayne Swan, has accused Mr Costello of conducting a fear campaign. He says the only reference to tax changes in the research is based on a previous Federal Government report. .... Queensland Treasurer Anna Bligh says she does not support a rise in the GST. Ms Bligh has accused Mr Costello of scare-mongering. "The states are not seeking any rise in the GST rate," she said. "Queensland would certainly oppose such a rise and no rise can actually be made without the agreement of all states. "Queensland will not support any rise in the rate of GST. http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1884600.htm
Aloysius Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Any comments, Al?They really are running off the rails, aren't they? This is getting ridiculous! You'd think there was a Labor stooge/saboteur running their re-election strategy! Maybe this is what they get for putting the evil Andy Robbbb into parliament, rather than doing his usual **** behind the scenes?!?! Yep - how about: Oh gosh - the government is running a scare campaign - but hey let's ignore the significant number of scare campaigns that others raise - hey they are the good guys - we like them - they can do no wrong - spare me And please don't ask: "What scare campaigns?" and further confirm my suspicions Any person with just the merest smidgeon of insight would say: "Hmmmm all pollies are to be distrusted - by that I mean all - not just the bad guys, after all a pollie is a pollie" But do we see this phenomenon - not bloody likely
Aloysius Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 The first of the economic "fear campaigns",,,,the irony is that its from the party who introduced the GST in the first place,[/b] http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1884600.htm Skid - it's the states that spend it - think about it
Santa1503559644 Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Yep - how about: Oh gosh - the government is running a scare campaign - but hey let's ignore the significant number of scare campaigns that others raise - hey they are the good guys - we like them - they can do no wrong - spare me And please don't ask: "What scare campaigns?" and further confirm my suspicions Any person with just the merest smidgeon of insight would say: "Hmmmm all pollies are to be distrusted - by that I mean all - not just the bad guys, after all a pollie is a pollie" But do we see this phenomenon - not bloody likely Calm down Al! Relax with a NdP! Its the utterly ridiculous nature of the recent "running scared" campaigns that we're laughing at - not the fact that (almost) everyone runs scare campaigns at one time or another. We've just grown used to more evil, more finely tuned campaigns from the coaltion. So this current crop of state-of-panic campaings brings a nice bit of humour. I say ... more of it!
hornblower Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Calm down Al!Relax with a NdP! Its the utterly ridiculous nature of the recent "running scared" campaigns that we're laughing at - not the fact that (almost) everyone runs scare campaigns at one time or another. We've just grown used to more evil, more finely tuned campaigns from the coaltion. So this current crop of state-of-panic campaings brings a nice bit of humour. I say ... more of it! What's this trade off between GST and income tax study initiated by the states? hornblower
Steve C Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Well... the Liberal party not only lost the NSW State election but they didn't even make any inroads. The Federal Liberal party folks would have been hoping for at least some positive element to grab onto out of such a demoralising outcome. As they don't have something to extrapolate into gloatable fodder from the NSW election result, they've got to formulate some way of turning a tangibly negative portent, to their benefit. They certainly can't admit that the Federal Government's campaign aimed at letting us all know how well off we are under a Howard regime had zero impact on NSW voters, so it's best to chastise those voters over their poor choice at the poll. It's the old "you didn't vote for our side despite how (in our opinion) we've made things better for you; so you must now suffer the consequences" diatribe. The biggest handicap for the Liberals going into the next Federal poll is Peter Costello. Now that Johnnie is nearing the end of his tenure, any likelihood that Costello ends up in charge is going to dissuade more voters than it will entice. If Costello keeps mouthing off like this, he will earn his party the result it ultimately deserves - but he'll find some way of blaming those who voted against his party and him..
mello yello Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 The stage is already set for Mondays Experts and Election 07 post mortems... "...well Laurie I guess voters werent all that confident in Costello as a Prime Minister, especially the ones who voted specifically for Howard at the last election...which would explain the huge swing away from the Liberals" "So what you are saying that in a choice of two unknowns the voters decided to go for Rudd" "Something like that Laurie" "There you have it Laurie Oakes.......Canberra"
Cooksta59 Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Full (of sh*t) article...Perhaps not. Desperate doesn't quite convey the complete depth of the panic that has hit the Libs! Did any of the assembled journo's ask why there would need to be a hike in the gst when the federal government has been achieving multi billion dollar surpluses ever since the gst came in. As they don't have something to extrapolate into gloatable fodder from the NSW election result, they've got to formulate some way of turning a tangibly negative portent, to their benefit. Can someone please translate this for me Mello....anyone...
Steve C Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 The stage is already set for Mondays Experts and Election 07 post mortems..."...well Laurie I guess voters werent all that confident in Costello as a Prime Minister, especially the ones who voted specifically for Howard at the last election...which would explain the huge swing away from the Liberals" "So what you are saying that in a choice of two unknowns the voters decided to go for Rudd" "Something like that Laurie" "There you have it Laurie Oakes.......Canberra" Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick...
Steve C Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Can someone please translate this for me Mello....anyone... NSW Liberals lose State election. Zero swing against Labor. Liberal advertising ineffective. Zero material for Liberal spin doctors to inflate into material to use with glee against Labor. Spin doctor called Costello tries to 'put the wind up' voters who re-elected a Labor State Government. Mud now clearer?
Cooksta59 Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 NSW Liberals lose State election. Zero swing against Labor. Liberal advertising ineffective. Zero material for Liberal spin doctors to inflate into material to use with glee against Labor. Spin doctor called Costello tries to 'put the wind up' voters who re-elected a Labor State Government. Mud now clearer? Ah now I see, the forest for the trees
mello yello Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Can someone please translate this for me Mello....anyone... extrapolate....(extract) ........gloatable fodder..(to win bragging rights) Okay what the author is saying is that since they have nothing positive to draw from the resuts of the NSW election( ..anything....a swung seat..a gain ..anything to focus on and build on)... ..they choose to get negative and bullsh1t their way off the ropes formulate...(invent, spin, bullsh1t).......tangibly negative portent...(a real bummer of a result)......to their benefit...(Libs only benefit with bullsh1t) Is how I read it..right Steve? save
Skid_MacMarx Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Skid - it's the states that spend it - think about it Well when a certain party has had a known history of such campaigns.. (hey look.. refugee parents threw their own children overboard) you wonder why many don't have much "faith" in their latest "campaigns" Costello should be focusing on housing affordability... then again.. a vote for Howard.. we all know will be a vote for Abbott & Costello or Turnbull
Steve C Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 extrapolate....(extract) ........gloatable fodder..(to win bragging rights)Okay what the author is saying is that since they have nothing positive to draw from the resuts of the NSW election( ..anything....a swung seat..a gain ..anything to focus on and build on)... ..they choose to get negative and bullsh1t their way off the ropes formulate...(invent, spin, bullsh1t).......tangibly negative portent...(a real bummer of a result)......to their benefit...(Libs only benefit with bullsh1t) Is how I read it..right Steve? save Aye laddie... Ach mon, there's something in me winky's eye...
Aloysius Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Calm down Al!Relax with a NdP! Its the utterly ridiculous nature of the recent "running scared" campaigns that we're laughing at - not the fact that (almost) everyone runs scare campaigns at one time or another. We've just grown used to more evil, more finely tuned campaigns from the coaltion. So this current crop of state-of-panic campaings brings a nice bit of humour. I say ... more of it! Calmed down as instructed Sah! http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1885202.htm Care to comment on this article from a far more reputable source, to satisfy the more picky among us. Like to extend the debate into one of our favourite topics - "affordability of housing?" Care to imagine that housing and a more robust effort in the global warming area will require megabuck$ Care to imagine how that might be funded across the broadest possible spectrum?
mello yello Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Care to imagine that housing and a more robust effort in the global warming area will require megabuck$Care to imagine how that might be funded across the broadest possible spectrum? Care to justify a $Billion$ in Defense spending?
Skid_MacMarx Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Calmed down as instructed Sah!http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1885202.htm Care to comment on this article from a far more reputable source, to satisfy the more picky among us. Care to imagine that housing and a more robust effort in the global warming area will require megabuck$ Care to imagine how that might be funded across the broadest possible spectrum? As if you really care Aloysius singing the virtues of Howard again I see Howard allowed the housing market to "overheat" full stop.. and then put up some smokescreen about maintaining low interest rates. when we all know interest rates have more to do with international factors. It will take more than "tax incentives" and the removal of stamp duties to undo Howard's inaction.. but hey that is something this administration is renown for .. inaction... and you are right. all true reforms (and public infrastructure) cost money (we live in a capitalist society ) why should we all just focus on the short term economic ...just because you and your mate can't see the long term economic benefits in certain actions. If you just want to reduce it down to how it affect your wallet.. the inaction by your generation and by Howard will cost our children far more than money.. it will also affect the lives of future generations. Howard is no longer a sceptic about global warming. He now agrees it is a problem, and he has announced policies to try to address it. These include yesterday's decision to put $200 million towards an international fund to help poor countries better manage their forests, which are being stripped away at a rate that contributes 20 per cent of the world's annual carbon emissions.But his chief aim is to frame this year's federal election as a referendum on economic management. He wants to be able to portray his Government as the reliable and trustworthy manager of a strong economy, and Labor as the party of dangerous neophytes, fiscal madmen and green fundamentalists. Of course, Howard is setting up a false dichotomy in the policy choices he portrays. What sort of future does Howard think the Australian coal industry faces as the world gradually moves to an era of low-emission energy? It will have no future at all. It is stunning to see that the private equity consortium bidding for the big Texas power utility TXU has offered, as a condition of its $US45 billion bid, to cancel eight of the company's 11 planned coal-fired coal plants. Even to Wall Street raiders and Texan energy shareholders it is clear that coal has lost much of its legitimacy as a fuel. How does Howard think he is helping the long-run growth of the economy by denying corporate Australia the certainty of a clear carbon policy? Every industry needs clarity on this. Even the leader of the global climate change sceptics, the US oil major Exxon Mobil, has abandoned scepticism, and is calling for the clarity of a framework of climate change policy. Which sectors does Howard think will be the growth industries of the future? It's alternative fuels and energy-saving that will offer the great opportunities for growth, where the next century's BPs and Exxon Mobils will be found. The Australian founder of a pioneering solar energy firm, Solar Heat and Power, has moved to California where the regulatory system encourages renewable energy. So Howard's position is a policy nonsense. But he is putting his trust in cartoon-simple political caricatures for the election campaign. It's a big risk. We know from a Newspoll last month that 76 per cent of Australians think climate change is a major problem. And Labor is prepared to campaign on the issue - it is about to air a TV ad narrated by Peter Garrett pushing its global warming credentials. Has Howard lost his fabled political nous? He is taking a calculated risk our concern about global warming is widespread but feebly felt. He is punting that it is not a vote-switching issue. The evidence is very sketchy, but it supports Howard's punt. Only 20 per cent of respondents to the Newspoll were prepared to "pay a lot more" for alternative energy sources. And a poll by the market research firm Pollinate found a similar syndrome. Its director, Howard Parry-Husbands, says: "Seventy-five per cent of Australians are concerned, but understanding is very low at 40 per cent and the proportion prepared to change their behaviour over it is barely in double digits, 14 per cent." So Howard is talking global warming nonsense, but in the confident expectation that we don't care enough to call his bluff. http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/howards...ge#contentSwap1
Aloysius Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 As if you really care Aloysius singing the virtues of Howard again I see Howard allowed the housing market to "overheat" full stop.. and then put up some smokescreen about maintaining low interest rates. when we all know interest rates have more to do with international factors. It will take more than "tax incentives" and the removal of stamp duties to undo Howard's inaction.. but hey that is something this administration is renown for .. inaction... and you are right. all true reforms (and public infrastructure) cost money (we live in a capitalist society ) why should we all just focus on the short term economic ...just because you and your mate can't see the long term economic benefits in certain actions. If you just want to reduce it down to how it affect your wallet.. the inaction by your generation and by Howard will cost our children far more than money.. it will also affect the lives of future generations. [/b] http://www.smh.com.au/news/opinion/howards...ge#contentSwap1 Hello - my generation - good name for a song that! My generation is the generation that has been part of the almost constant improvement in the real needs of life. Check iot out - more jobs, more super in the bin to pay for retirement without bludging on the remaining workers Better health and life expectation than at any time in history Better opportunities for young people than at any other time Took the dog for a walk after work last nite, went past the local soccer grounds - where I once played and which I helped build - lot's of boys and girls school age playing in mixed sex teams against similar teams - all wearing smick jerseys and shorts, being watched by their parents and encouraged by them - a great sight indeed. And you know what - every vehicle parked there was 4 years old or newer. 30% were 4WD's. Apparently all owned by parents of young families. Tell me about how "my generation stuffed it up" without of course the adoption of 20/20 hindsight
Guest EZYHD Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 Think I'll come back to this after Labor does a term and see what (if any) $ are left over, what the interest rates are and the employment figures, only then can we judge if they are worthy, as their previous stints sure were not, I'm very concerned. Mind you, Howard has totally lost the plot on workplace reform (gone too far) + Iraq + others. Many people I know will not vote for either of the major parties this time around.
Mining Man Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 ~Took the dog for a walk after work last nite, went past the local soccer grounds - where I once played and which I helped build - lot's of boys and girls school age playing in mixed sex teams against similar teams - all wearing smick jerseys and shorts, being watched by their parents and encouraged by them - a great sight indeed. And you know what - every vehicle parked there was 4 years old or newer. 30% were 4WD's. Apparently all owned by parents of young families. Tell me about how "my generation stuffed it up" without of course the adoption of 20/20 hindsight You sure they were the parents? Might have been the full time carers... ... gotta work long and hard to afford that shiny new 4WD!!
drsmith Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 It's obviously a scare campaign. The GST is one of the better things this government has done. It's an improvement on the patchwork sales tax system that preceeded it. They went to an election with it as their policy and won. It should however be expended to include all consumables (as was originally proposed and rejected by the Democrats, one of their sillier moves). The increased revenue could then fund an increased tax free threshold making the overall tax system simpler. One of this govermnments big failings is that with it's bulging revenue stream it has failed to undertake serious tax reform aimed at simplification.
Thudd1503560234 Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 every vehicle parked there was 4 years old or newer. 30% were 4WD's. I wouldn't necessarily call that a good outcome!
Aloysius Posted March 30, 2007 Posted March 30, 2007 You sure they were the parents? Might have been the full time carers...... gotta work long and hard to afford that shiny new 4WD!! I guess to me they looked like caring parents who worked long and hard for that 4WD
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