Steve C Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Do you think (or know) that the learnings are actually used in a practical way. Has there ever been an interception of a child so that he can learn proper values, or perhaps be locked up prior to committing a crime In response to your query about "has there ever been an interception" that could be defined as stemming from research into the mental states of those who are motivated into committing acts of mass murder... none that I'm aware of. Why? Because doing the sort of research I contend is of worth, has been anathema to those who see such research as akin to the research done by the Nazi's to concentration camp internees during WWII. So most of our preventative models are based on research that uses individuals who haven't committed such crimes. The cries that ring in my mind the most after events like Port Arthur or Columbine are: "how could this have happened?", "what could possibly trigger such violence?" or "how could this have been prevented?". Of course knowing that a particular sort of behaviour pattern could possibly lead to a particularly grisly climax isn't a guarantee that it can be prevented - especially if ordinary people are as afraid to do or say anything in public as they are now, but having some indication of what sort of indicators are worth looking out for, is better than not having any at all. I'm sure that knowing Global Warming is likely to bring more severe and extreme variances in weather conditions - not just a nice slow roasting, is likely to help you determine whether the drought or storms being experienced are just normal or a precursor of a much less welcome event. Of course if anyone prefers not knowing what to 'keep an eye out for'... there's plenty of sand to bury the old head in, as long as what happens to the exposed derriere isn't of any concern.
aztec Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Spoken like a true academic I really think it is an academic exercise at best. Like sending craft into space to see what Saturn's rings are made from.
Steve C Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Spoken like a true academic I really think it is an academic exercise at best. Like sending craft into space to see what Saturn's rings are made from. True... I guess we could just stick with what we know best. Like so many things in this country. Do you reckon that as a reasonably accomplished imitation Academic, I'd be better served in both salary, lifestyle and professional opportunities to join all the other academics who've gone overseas then?
aztec Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Do you reckon that as a reasonably accomplished imitation Academic, I'd be better served in both salary, lifestyle and professional opportunities to join all the other academics who've gone overseas then? Not sure why you'd want to join other academics Pretty hard to beat living in the Blue Mountains I reckon.
Steve C Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Not sure why you'd want to join other academics I sure don't want to be so easy to spot once all the brains are drained, which won't be long at the current rate. Pretty hard to beat living in the Blue Mountains I reckon. It's also pretty hard to make a living here as well. That's balance for you!
mello yello Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 How salaciously ironic...The best solution for proponents of capital punishment is to enact swift summary 'justice'. Nice... Personally, I think Chris has every right to ask whether those who have abrogated any consideration by society as possessing 'humanity' through their actions, deserve any compunction by that society in their upkeep. Running away from discussing the issue; or ridiculing it, is as bad as tacitly approving of capital punishment by failing to object to it. Justice isn't achieved through the heat of vengeance. It sometimes takes much longer for justice to be attained. As for beings like Mr Bryant... Why waste another life? There's many more things that could be learnt from studying individuals like him. If knowing what to look for in those most likely to commit such offences saves even one single life - then Mr Bryant will have gone some miniscule way to repaying a debt he can never repay. Taking his life sure won't repay it. I don't see anything morally repugnant or distasteful in putting these worst case scenarios of humans gone wrong, under the microscope in an effort to prevent their like repeating the same horror and destruction. Like our precious water resources however, we're more prepared to waste what's right in front of us, rather than make use of it while it's still around; and all for the sake of emotions that the majority can't even quantify. Bloody typical... Who do you think youre lecturing there Stevie Boy Can you answer that in 25 words or less please
Santa1503559644 Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 <Quickly skims through the thread...> OK, Said (some of) it before, and will probably say (some of it) again, but... *A big, difficult part of true Christianity is having the strength to resist the good ol' First Testament/Judean lust for revenge. Yep, that ridiculous concept of "an eye for an eye". *Obviously most people who call themselves Christians (esp. the totally non Christian GWBs et al) fall down at the first hurdle. *However ... it may not be Christian to want to kill someone like Bryant, but that doesn't mean its not perfectly natural! *Yet, (as always ) there is a better solution. A Santa Solution®. In extreme cases like those of Bryant, there is a very simple win win solution. Namely ... medical testing. Not cruel and inhuman experimentation (Japanese-style) ... however much that may please many ... just simple experimentation which is essential to developing treatments, drugs etc, but cannot be normally carried out on anyone considered part of the human race. Disclaimer: I only support such a solution in *without doubt cases (like Bryant) ... not on the many death-sentence cases in the US (where they got the wrong freakin' guy many times ) and... *where the crimes were truly horrendous.
Aloysius Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 <Quickly skims through the thread...>OK, Said (some of) it before, and will probably say (some of it) again, but... *A big, difficult part of true Christianity is having the strength to resist the good ol' First Testament/Judean lust for revenge. Yep, that ridiculous concept of "an eye for an eye". *Obviously most people who call themselves Christians (esp. the totally non Christian GWBs et al) fall down at the first hurdle. *However ... it may not be Christian to want to kill someone like Bryant, but that doesn't mean its not perfectly natural! *Yet, (as always ) there is a better solution. A Santa Solution®. In extreme cases like those of Bryant, there is a very simple win win solution. Namely ... medical testing. Not cruel and inhuman experimentation (Japanese-style) ... however much that may please many ... just simple experimentation which is essential to developing treatments, drugs etc, but cannot be normally carried out on anyone considered part of the human race. Disclaimer: I only support such a solution in *without doubt cases (like Bryant) ... not on the many death-sentence cases in the US (where they got the wrong freakin' guy many times ) and... *where the crimes were truly horrendous. That's another way of saying - "euthanase mentally sick criminals with no prospect of reform" - because you would be sanctioning risk taking in the name of experimentation, Not that I disagree with the idea
Santa1503559644 Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 That's another way of saying - "euthanase mentally sick criminals with no prospect of reform" - because you would be sanctioning risk taking in the name of experimentation,Not that I disagree with the idea Not really ... I'm not talking about him dying. Well ... not for quite some time. No point in not getting full use out of him.
Aloysius Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Not really ... I'm not talking about him dying.Well ... not for quite some time. No point in not getting full use out of him. Yeah, I know where you are going
Santa1503559644 Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 Yeah, I know where you are going If you really know "where I'm going" ... then expect a visit from the SAS pretty soon... :ph34r: I could tell you where I'm going ... but I'd have to kill you!
Aloysius Posted March 28, 2007 Posted March 28, 2007 If you really know "where I'm going" ... then expect a visit from the SAS pretty soon... :ph34r: I could tell you where I'm going ... but I'd have to kill you! Ok - now you've discovered pedantry Sorry - I should have said " I know where you are going with this thought process Santa" In as much as one can truly know the mind of another of course
Santa1503559644 Posted March 29, 2007 Posted March 29, 2007 Ok - now you've discovered pedantry I have recently studied under the forum's Masters of said Art. Sorry - I should have said " I know where you are going with this thought process Santa" In as much as one can truly know the mind of another of course Or would want to!
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