sedders Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 not sure if this has been posted (appologies if so)... http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/ho...php?startpage=6 just thought you guys would be interested
momaw Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 not sure if this has been posted (appologies if so)...http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/questex/ho...php?startpage=6 just thought you guys would be interested maybe after october when the players will be fully functional.
momaw Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Careful Mo this one only posts when he wants to s**tstir, very rarely ever contributes at any other times, read the sig and breath...123... I'm fully aware of that Yorac. One must live in hope for the betterment of mankind though
momaw Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Heard of "when hell freezes over" and not the dvd You never know with global warming and all
sedders Posted March 24, 2007 Author Posted March 24, 2007 maybe after october when the players will be fully functional. what do you mean, or are you just having a general shot at blu-ray, not the content of the article?
-Bishop- Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 So blu-ray/sony think they will sell 8.5 million players by the end of the year?, nice that they don't mention the bulk would be PS3 consoles, but either way I want whatever they are smoking...
sedders Posted March 24, 2007 Author Posted March 24, 2007 Careful Mo this one only posts when he wants to s**tstir, very rarely ever contributes at any other times, read the sig and breath...123... Its been quite amazing the responses i've invoked at times for merely posting information i stumble across on the web. Heaven forbit that someone might post some positive things about blu-ray on this forum.... the hddvd fans here can be a little defensive and precious at time. i dont know why but lets try to stay on topic eh...
betty boop Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Its been quite amazing the responses i've invoked at times for merely posting information i stumble across on the web. Heaven forbit that someone might post some positive things about blu-ray on this forum.... the hddvd fans here can be a little defensive and precious at time. i dont know why but lets try to stay on topic eh... um lets just try and guess shall we ? because all you post is blu-ray propaganda ? but then you should already know that about yourself. so should hardly come as a suprise
momaw Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 what do you mean, or are you just having a general shot at blu-ray, not the content of the article? What I'm saying is if you are serious about the format, you are better to get a "finished" 1.1 version machine. Current models will not be able to playback the enhanced features of 1.1 discs but be restricted to basic DD quality audio and the main feature only. This is why Matrix is being held back. The current players aren't ready for it. If you want to see the truth as a shot at blu-ray then fine, I don't care. Just don't want to see people burned when they have spent so much on a machine to find that all the new releases don't fully work. I'm sure you think I am BS'ing but go look it up. 1.1 was supposed to come online June 1. It's been pushed to October. It makes ethernet, BDJ and onboard memory mandatory as studios have demanded it for their authoring process. These features will be extensively used and players not supporting them (being hardware requirements means firmware cannot fix the issues) will be restricted in which discs they can playback. Have you not wondered why a format neutral studio like Warners has so many titles already on HD DVD that are not on Blu-ray? This is why. The information is out there.
MELso Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 So, have you actually got round to buying a Blu-Ray player yet sedders?
The_Preacher1973 Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 So, have you actually got round to buying a Blu-Ray player yet sedders? I think he's waiting 'til October.
momaw Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 I think he's waiting 'til October. He should. The only player "I" could in good conscious recommend to anyone at present is the PS3 as in a worst case scenario you can still play games on it.
darwin_fish Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Sorry guys call me ignorant (I don't spend much time on this fourm), but what is happening in October? Cheers
-Bishop- Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Sorry guys call me ignorant (I don't spend much time on this fourm), but what is happening in October?Cheers What I'm saying is if you are serious about the format, you are better to get a "finished" 1.1 version machine. Current models will not be able to playback the enhanced features of 1.1 discs but be restricted to basic DD quality audio and the main feature only. This is why Matrix is being held back. The current players aren't ready for it. If you want to see the truth as a shot at blu-ray then fine, I don't care. Just don't want to see people burned when they have spent so much on a machine to find that all the new releases don't fully work.I'm sure you think I am BS'ing but go look it up. 1.1 was supposed to come online June 1. It's been pushed to October. It makes ethernet, BDJ and onboard memory mandatory as studios have demanded it for their authoring process. These features will be extensively used and players not supporting them (being hardware requirements means firmware cannot fix the issues) will be restricted in which discs they can playback. Have you not wondered why a format neutral studio like Warners has so many titles already on HD DVD that are not on Blu-ray? This is why. The information is out there.
Hydrology Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 the hddvd fans here can be a little defensive and precious at time. i dont know why Um I think youre forgetting that the people who despise your postings the most are those who OWN BOTH FORMATS. Their opinion counts much more than yours ever will.
darwin_fish Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Thanks for that! Do you think the PS3 will have a firmware upgrade to overcome this issue in the future?
momaw Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 Thanks for that!Do you think the PS3 will have a firmware upgrade to overcome this issue in the future? That's the big question. Since it has an Ethernet port and a HDD to supply the necessary memory, it remains to be seen. While *all* current standalone models will not be upgradable (and word on the new 2nd gen models is that they also do not have the necessary hardware) it has been very quiet on the PS3 front with the best response on the issue being a maybe. It would be a PR nightmare if it isn't, however, the PS3 was released to market before the final 1.1 specs for BD were finalised so............lets just say I hope it is upgradable. Unless something bizarre and unique is required hardware wise I would assume it would just need a customised version of BDJ (to work with its different architecture). That said they don't seem to be rushing to get the DTS HD Master upgrade working........ All that aside, it is your safest (only) bet at present for a possibly compatible machine and at worst, you have a games console with very "basic" playback ability. It's funny, I watched Crank tonight on BD. in order to get PIP commentary, storyboards, "how they did it" spots, etc into the film, they actually put the film on the disc twice. Once as film only and once with "burned in" PIP content. With BDJ (or HDi on HD DVD) they would not need to do this, but since it doesn't work properly yet......... At least with 50Gb they have the space for the film twice. Between that and Uncompressed PCM (another issue is BD at present does not support Dolby TrueHD and no current standalone players have decoder chips for this format {PS3 does}, hence the *need* for PCM tracks - again this will change with 1.1 meaning all players without the decoder chips will be limited to basic DD 5.1 tracks and not the enhanced tracks as the plan is to phase PCM out), they certainly need more space than HD DVD. But I digress and this isn't a comparison thread, nor do I want to derail my point with accusations of HD fanboiness. This is a genuine concern/issue.
cwt Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 I'm sure you think I am BS'ing but go look it up. 1.1 was supposed to come online June 1. It's been pushed to October. It makes ethernet, BDJ and onboard memory mandatory as studios have demanded it for their authoring process. These features will be extensively used and players not supporting them (being hardware requirements means firmware cannot fix the issues) will be restricted in which discs they can playback. Have you not wondered why a format neutral studio like Warners has so many titles already on HD DVD that are not on Blu-ray? This is why. The information is out there. Its unfortunate that sedders cant do a bit of research mo.Ime even more pessimistic when wikepedia says that profile 1.1 [which as you say renders all bar the ps3 redundant]is superseded by profile 2.0 [blu ray live ] which increases local storage to 1 gb from 1.1's 256 mb.Hopefully this is dated info but I wouldnt trust anything without a ethernet port Now sony is releasing the new bdp 500 later [with 24p and all the top codecs];I have a feeling the ps3 wont be getting the top line upgrades[to differentiate it with the bdp300 from the top of the line
djOS Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 [/u] name='sedders' date='Mar 25 2007, 12:18 AM' post='625388']Its been quite amazing the responses i've invoked at times for merely posting information i stumble across on the web. Heaven forbit that someone might post some positive things about blu-ray on this forum.... the hddvd fans here can be a little defensive and precious at time. i dont know why but lets try to stay on topic eh... What da ya reckon lads, "Bin Man"? Sedders, a substantial number of us "HD DVD fans" plan to buy BluRay as well but we are hyper critical of it still; this is because features that have been available to HD DVD Gen1 owners from day 1 still are not available on even upcoming announced players. eg Ethernet, Dolby TrueHD decoding, DTS-MA (inc core) & "proper" interactivity. A prime example is the Sony BDP-S300 which has only announced 1 extra feature (form factor doesn't count as a feature imo), and that is CD Playback!
djOS Posted March 24, 2007 Posted March 24, 2007 ---SNIP---Now sony is releasing the new bdp 500 later [with 24p and all the top codecs];I have a feeling the ps3 wont be getting the top line upgrades[to differentiate it with the bdp300 from the top of the line See my comments above, the ONLY upgrades to the BDP-S300 (over the current sony player) is CD Playback of all things and a new case! Unfortunately there are no specs available at all for the BDP-S500 but im hopeful that this machine will be worth owning.
sulimo Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 maybe after october when the players will be fully functional. What do you mean 'fully functional'? As for the 5 reasons...some of those listed are reasons why I'm behind bluray. Well #1 is.
momaw Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 What do you mean 'fully functional'?As for the 5 reasons...some of those listed are reasons why I'm behind bluray. Well #1 is. I think I explained it pretty succinctly in further posts
AndrewW Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 I think I explained it pretty succinctly in further posts Mo you should know by now that the modus operandi of trolls is only to post FUD, not to actually read any responses (especially when they dispel the FUD). Andrew.
cwt Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 See my comments above, the ONLY upgrades to the BDP-S300 (over the current sony player) is CD Playback of all things and a new case! Unfortunately there are no specs available at all for the BDP-S500 but im hopeful that this machine will be worth owning. This is speculation on my part Djos ;after reading of your hopes for the 500.Most sites agree with the s300 being a cut down version of the bdp s1 ;but ce bit asia says it has dolby digital plus decoding as well.If you can believe this[grain of salt I know] all the 500 can offer is better dts hd ma /ddtrue hd decoding. I didnt mean the 300 had dd+ /true hd decoding like the ps3 ;if my words are misconstrued at all
-Bishop- Posted March 25, 2007 Posted March 25, 2007 I find it bizarre that Sony creates all these guidelines for player specs, and so far it's just a mini nightmare of players not living up to what the format is supposed to provide. Just what on earth is the point in releasing a format before all your specs are set, and worse yet selling players that won't meet all the specs, you just end up punishing people for buying early, because they will need to buy another player within a short period of time, to get the most from their chosen format.
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