JoshH Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Is anyone here interested in Screen Research Acoustically transparent screens?
Tinsanta Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Is anyone here interested in Screen Research Acoustically transparent screens? What is the price rang?
JoshH Posted March 22, 2007 Author Posted March 22, 2007 What is the price rang? Similar pricing to Stewart - give or take...
Mr.Bitey Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 I thaught this was going to be another max/mojo style trollfest to which I could reply with witty remarks such as resolution falling through the holes etc... I am dissapointed to see its 'real' Bitey!!
Spero D. Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Similar pricing to Stewart - give or take... Could be why?
Gino Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 SR are up there with Stewart... but in all honesty, if you want to go down the AT path, I'd be looking into SmX material myself.
Spero D. Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 SR are up there with Stewart... but in all honesty, if you want to go down the AT path, I'd be looking into SmX material myself. The only thing Gino is I don't believe that Ruben has created a masking system yet for those whom want one or don't want to go the 2.35:1 route.
Gino Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 There are other DIY masking systems which you can build... SmX is DIY anyway.
bizzibee Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Link? Info: http://www.smxscreen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79 Ordering info: http://www.smxscreen.com/smx-ordering.html
The_Preacher1973 Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Info:http://www.smxscreen.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79 Ordering info: http://www.smxscreen.com/smx-ordering.html Thanks for that. There's some awesome screen shots on that 1st link. Life in the old dog yet. (Although looking at your sig, I'm preaching to the choir!)
JoshH Posted March 22, 2007 Author Posted March 22, 2007 Could be why? Considering specifying them into projects and wanted to see if there was interest for them. I will put together a power buy on them if there are enough interested ppl.
brodricj Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 It looks like an interesting product at a realistic price. I am shopping for a new screen at the moment, and to go Stewart I need to spend double what my projector is worth. That is very hard to justify, and is only being considered on recommendation from an ISF calibrator. I'd probably end up with a better picture spending that money on a new projector and blasting it at the wall, or at SMX.
JoshH Posted March 22, 2007 Author Posted March 22, 2007 It looks like an interesting product at a realistic price.I am shopping for a new screen at the moment, and to go Stewart I need to spend double what my projector is worth. That is very hard to justify, and is only being considered on recommendation from an ISF calibrator. I'd probably end up with a better picture spending that money on a new projector and blasting it at the wall, or at SMX. You will never end up with a better picture shooting on your wall - not unless your wall happens to have a Flat Spectral Response and White Field Uniformity. Not to mention an appropriate gain. Projectors are not a constant.. ppl tend to change them every few years - screens however are much more of a constant. Buy once and Buy Right in my opinion. The price is long forgotten when you sit down to accurate color. What the hell.. life is short.. to short to watch bad images... so live extravagently - buy a good screen! I did a really interesting experiment 2 weeks ago - I was attending a demo of a high end 30K projector here in Melb. the projector was calibrated by an ISF person It was shooting on a Herma LP Morgan 100". I just happened to have a 3 foot X 3 foot sample of both studiotek 130 and Greyhawk RS in the boot of my car [courtesy of another ISF calibrator]. After the demo was complete myself and a couple of others did a comparison of screen fabrics - the differences were subsrtantial to say the least. The Herma looked dull and just 'wrong' by comparison to the Stewart fabrics. Its relative however.. if your propjector is innacurate to start with... well all the screen in the world isnt going to fix it.
brodricj Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 I just happened to have a 3 foot X 3 foot sample of both studiotek 130 and Greyhawk RS in the boot of my car [courtesy of another ISF calibrator]. After the demo was complete myself and a couple of others did a comparison of screen fabrics - the differences were subsrtantial to say the least. The Herma looked dull and just 'wrong' by comparison to the Stewart fabrics. And that is exactly why I had to off-load 2000 Cathay Pacific shares today, because in 4 days I'll have enough money for a 100% upfront deposit on a Stewart Luxus Model A GreyHawk RS.
CAVX Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Thanks for that. There's some awesome screen shots on that 1st link. Life in the old dog yet. (Although looking at your sig, I'm preaching to the choir!) I just love that shot with the back lighting so you can see the speakers. Nice!!! Mark
The_Preacher1973 Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 I just love that shot with the back lighting so you can see the speakers. Nice!!!Mark Yes spectacular photo. But I like the ones with the G90 shining on the front of the screen myself.
CAVX Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Yes spectacular photo. But I like the ones with the G90 shining on the front of the screen myself. I'd be happy with a BenQ 8720 Mark :ph34r:
Gino Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 I'll be seeing both Art and Cliff's stacked G90's soon I wonder how my lowly CRT's will compare?
Gino Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Oh yeh, and back on topic - I'll be seeing SmX at Cliff's and Andres' BlendZilla, and Stewart AT at Art's Really keen to see how the picture is affected, cos if it's acceptable and the audio is still great, I may consider it when I get the dedicated room
CAVX Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Oh yeh, and back on topic - I'll be seeing SmX at Cliff's and Andres' BlendZilla, and Stewart AT at Art'sReally keen to see how the picture is affected, cos if it's acceptable and the audio is still great, I may consider it when I get the dedicated room There are a few things you need to consider when setting up an AT screen. Becuase it passes sound in one way, it also passes light the other. The first time I saw and heard an AT screen was on a job at the Gold Coast. The screen was Stewart Micro Perf and the $$$ was into the five figures for this screen. The screen had been mounted in an attractive custom cabinet that hid the three LCRs (Krix Brix) behind it. I was sold. The best sound to image match I have ever experienced in a HT, but there was some negatives that one needs to be awre of... 1. The mirco perf does come with a small EQ module for HF losses. I didn't find this an issue with the Krix as I find this model speaker a tadd on the bright side anyway. The EQ module has one short coming - it only had one channel of processing. I think it was designed with the intention that the L and R speakers would be placed out side of the screen. This might be OK for a 4 x 3 or 16:9 (which this one was BTW), but not ideal for a CinemaScope screen where all three LCRs should be placed behind the screen. Therefore using this EQ device would make the centre brighter than the L& R speakers and should not be used. Given the price of the system, I was surpised to find this. If your were going to place the L&R speakers out side of the screen, then you simply would not conect the signal path throught the EQ module, and I feel that it shoud cater for 3 LCR channels none the less... 2. I was charged with fitting an IMX lens to the projector's lens. This was to help make SDE less visible, and suposidley help reduce any chance of seeing the micro perfs (moir?). It did make a huge improvment, but I could not get it to remove 100% of the SDE as the manual claimed it would, but it did a very good job none the less. besides that, back over 1m from the screen and you could not see the perf anyway... 3. You actualy need some from of block out surface behind the screen (even though many manufactires will claim otherwize) as what I found was a double image could be seen when I shifted off the centre axis. This cabinet was about 700mm deep, and whist it had accoustic treatments inside, it was essentially a huge void. The double image was not in your face, but once I was aware of it, it was distracting to me... I have actually seen this on a professional cinema screen as well... Mark
norpus Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Yes I saw a perf screen in HK last May About every 10 pixels you could see (from 4mtrs) some black holes in a uniform pattern. It was explained to me that some of the perfs unfortunately matched up with the digital 720p dlps pixels. This was from a very expensive Vidikron digital projector also, and was disappointing it was so distracting. The salesguy explained he would be changing screens shortly because of this, and the perf screen had been previously matched to a big crt where the problem wasn't an issue. An exxy screen too. The sound was fantastic (M&K system) however
JoshH Posted March 23, 2007 Author Posted March 23, 2007 I'll be seeing both Art and Cliff's stacked G90's soon Stacked CRT's... Im not sure if thats a calibrators wet dream or a calibrators mightmare I have not calibrated stacked CRT's before [actually havent calibrated a CRT in more than two years] - but I would imagine that would require more than the average degree of patience!
JoshH Posted March 23, 2007 Author Posted March 23, 2007 1. The mirco perf does come with a small EQ module for HF losses. I didn't find this an issue with the Krix as I find this model speaker a tadd on the bright side anyway. The EQ module has one short coming - it only had one channel of processing. I think it was designed with the intention that the L and R speakers would be placed out side of the screen. This might be OK for a 4 x 3 or 16:9 (which this one was BTW), but not ideal for a CinemaScope screen where all three LCRs should be placed behind the screen. Therefore using this EQ device would make the centre brighter than the L& R speakers and should not be used. Given the price of the system, I was surpised to find this. If your were going to place the L&R speakers out side of the screen, then you simply would not conect the signal path throught the EQ module, and I feel that it shoud cater for 3 LCR channels none the less... This is true - however, if you are going to the trouble of installing a AT screen in a dedicated theatre [and I am putting one in mine] then you really should have dedicated EQ for all channels anyway - especially the subwoofers and any speakers behind the screen. an Audyssey 8 channel digital EQ or similar is a MUST have if you are going to get even close to flat frequenct response at all listening seats. The Stewart EQ box is a bit of a buggery box really - it was only ever produced to get the THX approval on the Stewart Micro Perf Screens. You get one for free with the micro perf screen - but you can order more if you have all 3 channels behind the screen. Edit - Apparently Stewart have solved the Moire issues on their micro perf screens - but I have not seen one to confirm. The issue of pixel punch through is also rearing its head on micro perf screens with 1920 X1080 projectors - a phenoment as distracting as moire. Neither problem exists with Screen Research AT screens to my knowelege. Not getting into which brand of screen is better - they are for different applications.
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