ozboy Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/index.php/...1;pid;3098;pt;1 ...This is the best 1080p LCD television we have reviewed to date. It has some minor flaws but the image quality at 1080p has yet to be matched. The price tag is fairly hefty and will most likely be out of reach for the average consumer. If you have the cash and supreme 1080p performance is what you are looking for, you will be very pleased with the Sharp LC52GD7X. Those that can't afford it might consider looking at the 46in version which is a few thousand dollars cheaper
MN-Robert Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 A company should not be judge on just the product they sell. It's a package the product the service etc. My dealings with Sharp well they had my panel in repair for over 6 months so I would rate them lowly. TCL is not the best brand yet you have an issue they swap over the panel. On this basis alone I rate them higher than sharp. Sharp is poor they are probably good in other markets no doubt as the Japanese head office was very good in hitting the idiots from Sharp Australia over the head with a stick for screwing me around but in Australia I would not touch them at all now based on previous experiences. They didn't even bother to apologise for the lengthy delay. Just exuses and more excuses
Owen Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 If the Sharp LCD is the best display they have seen they need to get more. These guys have no cred.
Anthony123 Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 i saw these at CAV and i must say i was VERY Impressed.... easily best 1080p screens on the market.... and the new look of the new-fluidic design looks great!
PanaSung Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 If the Sharp LCD is the best display they have seen they need to get more.These guys have no cred. LOL Owen....this backs up what I saw at WOW Underwood{not plugging the store, but if you're on Brisbane's sth side, you can view it for yourself....they also have the 65in PanaPlasma running Blueray}.
Owen Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 It is obvious you look for completely different qualities in a display then me. No way any LCD is even close to being the best display available as far a I am concerned, and I am not alone. The black levels alone are enough to disqualify it from being a contender.
PanaSung Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 It is obvious you look for completely different qualities in a display then me.No way any LCD is even close to being the best display available as far a I am concerned, and I am not alone. The black levels alone are enough to disqualify it from being a contender. I'm saying it has the best LCD flat panel PQ that I've seen....I'm not saying LCD is the best tech for displaying images.
george#3 Posted March 19, 2007 Posted March 19, 2007 It is obvious you look for completely different qualities in a display then me.No way any LCD is even close to being the best display available as far a I am concerned, and I am not alone. The black levels alone are enough to disqualify it from being a contender. don't you own a sony? well that's like me saying after i forked out a ton on a ford then getting into a holden and can't admit that i have done my money in! the problem with sharp is they build everything in HOUSE!!!!! they should take a note out of sony's page and source all the cheapest parts they can buy then build them in japan!(samsung panels,other parts who nows?)
ozboy Posted March 21, 2007 Author Posted March 21, 2007 It is obvious you look for completely different qualities in a display then me.No way any LCD is even close to being the best display available as far a I am concerned, and I am not alone. The black levels alone are enough to disqualify it from being a contender. Plasmas are reaching the end of their technological life cycle, LCD has still got plenty of steam. They are close enough as is now, so expect LCD to take over. (PS: Are 1080p plasmas in stores yet?)
rhodesy101 Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 The reviewer obviously has no clue what he is talking about. Same people that gave the kdl 46x2000 a 2 star rating saying it was basically crap.
bbboy1503561029 Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 If the Sharp LCD is the best display they have seen they need to get more. What's the best display you've seen as of March 2007? Don't make me define best, it's a TV, best = viewing pleasure overall! Give me your best LCD, your best Plasma, and the BEST overall! No prototypes etc. Stuff available here and now, on the shelf! I'm very curious, you guys really seem to know a LOT about this stuff! I wouldn't buy based off this, but I'd sure look hard at the models in question!
PanaSung Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 What's the best display you've seen as of March 2007? Don't make me define best, it's a TV, best = viewing pleasure overall!Give me your best LCD, your best Plasma, and the BEST overall! No prototypes etc. Stuff available here and now, on the shelf! I'm very curious, you guys really seem to know a LOT about this stuff! I wouldn't buy based off this, but I'd sure look hard at the models in question! Wrong person to ask.....he's going to do his best to talk you out of LCD, even though LCD's are the best overall product, ie, TV, PC, weight, durability. Recommending TV's is actually quite difficult because there are a variety of signal strengths and a variety of hardware, so you're left with the task of finding the best piece of equipement to display your most favoured signals.
bbboy1503561029 Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 Wrong person to ask.....he's going to do his best to talk you out of LCD, even though LCD's are the best overall product, ie, TV, PC, weight, durability.Recommending TV's is actually quite difficult because there are a variety of signal strengths and a variety of hardware, so you're left with the task of finding the best piece of equipement to display your most favoured signals. Aha! But that's why I asked the best plasma AND the best LCD! I guess rear projectiong and CRT both deserve a mention too! Poor old forgotten CRT... I'm not really sure what you mean about 'your most favoured signals'? Do you mean sports vs dark scary movies vs sunrise with kochie (I think they're the extremes of display... haha. The good, the bad and the ugly) What's YOUR tip? With a HTPC (i've just decided to go down THAT route)
Owen Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 don't you own a sony? well that's like me saying after i forked out a ton on a ford then getting into a holden and can't admit that i have done my money in! the problem with sharp is they build everything in HOUSE!!!!! they should take a note out of sony's page and source all the cheapest parts they can buy then build them in japan!(samsung panels,other parts who nows?) Yes I own a 70” Sony SXRD and am in the process of modifying it to improve blacks. I have already achieved a 30% improvement in blacks and will have a total improvement of 70% by the time I am finished. Even a standard SXRD has much better blacks then any LCD, but even after improving this already good performance by 70% I doubt I will be satisfied. LCD’s are so far away from being acceptable in the black department that it’s silly. A display with poor blacks has no reason to exist as far as I myself and many others are concerned. Once you have seen what true blacks can do for the viewing experience its hard to accept anything less.
PanaSung Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 Aha! But that's why I asked the best plasma AND the best LCD! I guess rear projectiong and CRT both deserve a mention too! Poor old forgotten CRT...I'm not really sure what you mean about 'your most favoured signals'? Do you mean sports vs dark scary movies vs sunrise with kochie (I think they're the extremes of display... haha. The good, the bad and the ugly) What's YOUR tip? With a HTPC (i've just decided to go down THAT route) Your budget and your space also help limit your choices, eg...LG have a 56in DLP HDTV which one could use for HTPC{$2000 with in built HD tuner}, but this is a sizeable TV, not just width, but depth. Quick answer for HTPC is always going to be LCD....40inches or greater in size. As for signal strength, I was referring to the various inputs, ie, you can run Foxtel thru your HTPC, but won't you be in for a shock if you bought a 1080 LCD...... Foxtel's lowly SDTV via a 1920x1080 resolution will be ordinary. Anyway, best to give as much info as you can...include budget and all that jazz.
Owen Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 Plasmas are reaching the end of their technological life cycle, LCD has still got plenty of steam.They are close enough as is now, so expect LCD to take over. (PS: Are 1080p plasmas in stores yet?) Pioneer are supposedly going to lift the standard for flat panel blacks very significantly and leave LCD in the dust. Pioneer currently have a 1080p 50” and Panasonic a 65” 1080p Plasma. No LCD can compete with them for picture quality. The 65” Panasonic was on my shopping list but could not cut it for blacks, and the current 65” Sharp LCD is no where near up to standard. If I was after a 50” display for my 2.8-3 meter viewing distance I would go for a Panasonic 768p Plasma, simply because it has the best black level in that size class. 1080 resolution is a waste of time at that distance and screen size.
Owen Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 Quick answer for HTPC is always going to be LCD....40inches or greater in size. For PC use an LCD is a good choice, but for a HTPC (Home Theatre) use, LCD’s are a poor choice due to poor blacks in a dim or dark “theatre” environment. As for signal strength, I was referring to the various inputs, ie, you can run Foxtel thru your HTPC, but won't you be in for a shock if you bought a 1080 LCD...... Foxtel's lowly SDTV via a 1920x1080 resolution will be ordinary. I’ll take Foxtell upscaled by my 8800 video card and displayed on a good big 1080 display over any small low res display option I have seen.
PanaSung Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 I’ll take Foxtell upscaled by my 8800 video card and displayed on a good big 1080 display over any small low res display option I have seen. Let's wait and see what his budget is before we start recommending he get a Merc
kootaberra Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 It is obvious you look for completely different qualities in a display then me.No way any LCD is even close to being the best display available as far a I am concerned, and I am not alone. The black levels alone are enough to disqualify it from being a contender. Have you seen the new 'piano black' Sharp aquos LCDs? When you do it WILL change your 'black' quote. If not you may have a barrow to push for another brand!
attilathepun Posted March 21, 2007 Posted March 21, 2007 The PC connection problems they refer to would be enough to stop me buying one (if i hadnt already bought a Bravia X anyway of course :-)
Owen Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Have you seen the new 'piano black' Sharp aquos LCDs? When you do it WILL change your 'black' quote. If not you may have a barrow to push for another brand! Not much chance of that. No consumer grade LCD comes even close to making absolute black in a dark viewing environment. The new Sharp may well be better then the Sony LCD’s, but that’s not saying much. I have not got much complimentary to say about them either.
ozboy Posted March 22, 2007 Author Posted March 22, 2007 Pioneer currently have a 1080p 50” and Panasonic a 65” 1080p Plasma. I know they are advertised on their websites, but I didnt think they were in shops yet??
Owen Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Both have been in shops since last year. The 50” Pioneer never interested me so I never looked for one, but I saw two 65” Panasonics in deferent shops well before Xmas. One shop had the 65” Panasonic, 70” Sony SXRD and the 65” Sharp LCD on display side by side. Needless to say the Sharp LCD was totally outclassed, even though it was the most expensive.
nis200979 Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Give me your best LCD, your best Plasma, and the BEST overall! Plasma Tied between Pioneer PDP-5000ex & Panasonic TH65PV600 LCD Apple M9178X/A 23" display Rear projection Sony SXRD range Buy the Sony 70" SXRD for a massive cinema tv where the Panasonic 1080 projector is not suitable. Great tv for price, actually, just a great tv, but I hate the bulk. When quality matters most, and you don;t compare your d!ck to your neighbours, (well actually these are impressive by anyones standards) buy the Panasonic TH42PV600 65" full HD or Pioneer PDP5000ex. Pioneer for quality service and warranty, the Panasonic for pure viewing pleasure, just remeber it worth 25% in 12mths time. Next comes the LCD, I find it hard to recomend the KDL40X2000 because I wouldn't buy an LCD unless there was no PDP equilivant in that size with todays technology. (the blacks are REALLY REALLY bad) So really, the best LCD TV (you won't like the Apple 23" will you) it's the KDL32V200. A great 32" if you don't mind the 40" RRP premium on the Panasonic. BTW, If I didn't make the Sony SXRD a clear winner for the projectors, then Owen wouldn't defend me from the envitable flame resulting from knocking LCDs.
nis200979 Posted March 22, 2007 Posted March 22, 2007 Plasmas are reaching the end of their technological life cycle, LCD has still got plenty of steam.They are close enough as is now, so expect LCD to take over. (PS: Are 1080p plasmas in stores yet?) To answer, yes, the Pioneer PDP5000ex and Panasonic TH65PV600. In regards to "Plasmas are reaching the end of their technological life cycle, LCD has still got plenty of steam." Plenty of people say cr@p like that, but what does that mean? I intepret that means LCDs NEED lots of improvement but PDPs are already of very high quality. But FULL HD (1920x1080p) PDPs are coming, and as small as 42" so I guess they can get better. And if your right 'ozboy' then you know something that Panasonic don't; as the Age reported than Panasonic are investing US$2.35billion in a new Japanese PDP factory. (BTW, besides the relatively small Panasonic and Toshiba LCDs, how many LCD panels are manufactured in Japan?)
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