Upscaling Question

[Aspect]

Hi guys,

does upscaling only work through HDMI?

My projector is capable of 720p/1080i, but it doesn't have an HDMI input, only the usual S-Vid, Composite and component via VGA.

How can I get an upscaled image to the projector?

The reason I ask is I was told on the weekend that upscaling only works through HDMI, not component.

Cheers,

Chris

[aztec]

Hi guys,

does upscaling only work through HDMI?

My projector is capable of 720p/1080i, but it doesn't have an HDMI input, only the usual S-Vid, Composite and component via VGA.

How can I get an upscaled image to the projector?

The reason I ask is I was told on the weekend that upscaling only works through HDMI, not component.

Cheers,

Chris

Depends on the device sending the signal. I believe there are DVD players and PVRs that do upscaling over both HDMI and component.

[50mxe20]

The reason I ask is I was told on the weekend that upscaling only works through HDMI, not component.

I don't believe that statement is correct. Some players only work with HDMI but others work over component.

Depends on the device sending the signal. I believe there are DVD players and PVRs that do upscaling over both HDMI and component.

That is my understanding as well.

[digitalj]

Hi guys,

does upscaling only work through HDMI?

My projector is capable of 720p/1080i, but it doesn't have an HDMI input, only the usual S-Vid, Composite and component via VGA.

How can I get an upscaled image to the projector?

The reason I ask is I was told on the weekend that upscaling only works through HDMI, not component.

Cheers,

Chris

Technically doesn't matter what input you use for upscaling, as the display would have to be capable of upscaling itself, e.g. you could send 576i (SD) through RF and the display will upscale, same applis to CVBS, S-video, component and VGA, the real difference is that only Component and VGA on your display will be able to accept HD signals.

[50mxe20]

Technically doesn't matter what input you use for upscaling, as the display would have to be capable of upscaling itself, e.g. you could send 576i (SD) through RF and the display will upscale, same applis to CVBS, S-video, component and VGA, the real difference is that only Component and VGA on your display will be able to accept HD signals.

That may not be strictly true. My Pana S-97 clearly states that HDMI is required. Therefore, I draw the conclusion that it is the source that matters. (some do, some don't).

[Aspect]

Ok, cool.

I was told the Denon DVD players only upscale through HDMI. Even if that's the case, I would have thought that I could use HDMI from the DVD to the AMP, then component out to my projector.

Cheers,

Chris

[pgdownload]

Technically doesn't matter what input you use for upscaling, as the display would have to be capable of upscaling itself, e.g. you could send 576i (SD) through RF and the display will upscale

Agree with Lyle here. Some TVs will 'upscale' themselves. Others can obviously display a HD input (eg 1080i) but you have an external device to do the upscaling (eg DVD Player). Some external boxes upscale and output the signal over any cable, others are restricted to sending the signal to HDMI outputs.

Regards

Peter Gillespie

[digitalj]

Ok, cool.

I was told the Denon DVD players only upscale through HDMI. Even if that's the case, I would have thought that I could use HDMI from the DVD to the AMP, then component out to my projector.

Cheers,

Chris

You should be able to do that

[50mxe20]

I was told the Denon DVD players only upscale through HDMI. Even if that's the case, I would have thought that I could use HDMI from the DVD to the AMP, then component out to my projector.

I don't know of any Denon AVR's that have HDMI (yet). There is one promised soon but I don't think (not positive) that it is in Oz yet. 2807 and 3807 (3808) maybe. Would need to check. My 3805 certainly doesn't. Someone else may be able to confirm this.

[Aspect]

Yeah, the 3806 does - 2 in, 1 out. the marantz does too - 4 in, 1 out

[50mxe20]

Yeah, the 3806 does - 2 in, 1 out. the marantz does too - 4 in, 1 out

Was only talking about Denon. Anyway that's good news. I thought I might be wrong. Also I am waiting on 1.3 so I had a mental lapse. Anyway the comment that all Denon AVR's have HDMI is incorrect. Only the latest do.

[Gutty]

You should be able to do that

I wouldn't count on it.

I know my Yammy won't down convert from HDMI to Component, and i highly doubt the Denon can do it either.

[50mxe20]

I wouldn't count on it.

I know my Yammy won't down convert from HDMI to Component, and i highly doubt the Denon can do it either.

This source: http://www.cnet.com.au/hometheatre/avrecei...40059487,00.htm suggests it does.

The Denon AVR-3806 is one of the most feature-packed receivers we've seen.

It delivers 120 watts to each of its 7 channels and offers a full selection

of Dolby and DTS surround schemes. We counted seven A/V, three component,

and two HDMI inputs. The receiver will pass composite, S-Video, and

component-video sources, such as your VCR or DVD player, through the HDMI output,

but it won't improve the source's resolution. In other words, it won't upconvert

your VCR's 480i resolution to an HDTV-friendly 720p or 1080i signal or even a

DVD-worthy 480p. In theory, you might still need only one HDMI cable to connect

your receiver to your TV. In practice, however, many HDTVs and HD monitors can't

accept a 480i signal via their HDMI input, so some users will still need a

two-connection solution (HDMI plus component, S-Video, or composite).

Moreover, the onscreen display is also limited to 480i over HDMI.

If you don't have HDMI, rest easy; the receiver can upconvert and

downconvert analog video sources over the composite, S-Video, and component jacks.

[Mining Man]

I reckon we might be confusing some pretty straight forward questions. aztec was close enough to the mark in the first instance.

Hi guys,

does upscaling only work through HDMI? No.

My projector is capable of 720p/1080i, but it doesn't have an HDMI input, only the usual S-Vid, Composite and component via VGA.

How can I get an upscaled image to the projector? Use a device that can upscale an SD video source and pass this upscaled image via component. (Or let the projector's internal scaler take care of filling out the detail from 576 to 720 lines.)

The reason I ask is I was told on the weekend that upscaling only works through HDMI, not component. While not technically correct, the number of upscaling DVD players that can pass an upscaled signal via component is very, very small. From memory, the OPPO players do it, and one other (Samsung???). Given the amount of mis-information out there, this is a pretty minor gaffe. (Actually, it's a pretty good rule of thumb that anyone considering an upscaling DVD should factor in the need for HDMI in their display. In this case, the sales advice is correct in 99% of cases...)

Cheers,

Chris

[marcusd1503561159]

Does the Denon do cross conversion from HDMI to Component, if it does your hook up should work. Keep in mind that your projector may also have a scaler built into it. It then comes down to which scaler provides the best picture. If the projectors scaler is better then feed it with the unscaled component output of the DVD and let the projector do the scaling.

[Gutty]

This source: http://www.cnet.com.au/hometheatre/avrecei...40059487,00.htm suggests it does.

The Denon AVR-3806 is one of the most feature-packed receivers we've seen.

It delivers 120 watts to each of its 7 channels and offers a full selection

of Dolby and DTS surround schemes. We counted seven A/V, three component,

and two HDMI inputs. The receiver will pass composite, S-Video, and

component-video sources, such as your VCR or DVD player, through the HDMI output,

but it won't improve the source's resolution. In other words, it won't upconvert

your VCR's 480i resolution to an HDTV-friendly 720p or 1080i signal or even a

DVD-worthy 480p. In theory, you might still need only one HDMI cable to connect

your receiver to your TV. In practice, however, many HDTVs and HD monitors can't

accept a 480i signal via their HDMI input, so some users will still need a

two-connection solution (HDMI plus component, S-Video, or composite).

Moreover, the onscreen display is also limited to 480i over HDMI.

If you don't have HDMI, rest easy; the receiver can upconvert and

downconvert analog video sources over the composite, S-Video, and component jacks.

It can do what it likes with analog signals, but won't down convert digital(HDMI) to analog.

Does the Denon do cross conversion from HDMI to Component,

Nope

[50mxe20]

It can do what it likes with analog signals, but won't down convert digital(HDMI) to analog.

But component is analogue.

[Gutty]

But component is analogue.

But HDMI is not...therefore it can't doing anything with it.(besides pass it it straight through)

For the sake of further banter, check page 15 of the user manual. It can upconvert all analog signals to HDMI, but cannot down convert HDMI to analog as prior was asking here:

Even if that's the case, I would have thought that I could use HDMI from the DVD to the AMP, then component out to my projector.

[50mxe20]

But HDMI is not...therefore it can't doing anything with it.(besides pass it it straight through)

For the sake of further banter, check page 15 of the user manual. It can upconvert all analog signals to HDMI, but cannot down convert HDMI to analog as prior was asking here:

Can't argue with the manual! The Cnet reviewer got it wrong didn't he.

So the trick is to make sure the source is component out and that it upscales via component - which is what I said in the first place.

[dvduser]

So why don't we just answer the OP and break it into devices -

STB/PVR - most, if not all, can upscale via HDMI, DVI & Component but NOT S-Video & Composite

DVD - some and only a very few, can upscale via Component. Those that have HDMI or DVI or both output can upscale via these outputs

AVR - those with HDMI output can do, depending on the process implemented internally, Firstly, convert only from Composite, S-Video and Component to HDMI - Secondly, convert & upscale from Composite, S-Video and Component to HDMI. Some may be able to convert from HDMI to Composite, S-Video and Component - but why would you go back to an alagolue based system if you've got digital coming in.

[Gutty]

So the trick is to make sure the source is component out and that it upscales via component

[50mxe20]

Component - but why would you go back to an alagolue based system if you've got digital coming in.

Because the display device does not have HDMI perhaps?

[Aspect]

Ok, so, I need to find/make sure the denon gear upscales over component?

Now, going by the instructions, the receiver doesn't?

I don't care if I use the component out of the dvd, to component in on the AVR, then component out again to the projector.

[Mining Man]

So why don't we just answer the OP ...

I thought I had?

~

STB/PVR - most, if not all, can upscale via HDMI, DVI & Component but NOT S-Video & Composite

~

Just a query:

Can they upscale anything other than the incoming RF signal? I understand an HD STB / PVR can have the output set at 1080i and it will then upscale any incoming signal to this. But for those STB / PVRs that can pass through a signal, can this be upscaled? I wouldn't have thought so?

At any rate, I suspect the OP was referring only to upscaling DVD players. Notwithstanding the capability of the OPPO's and the other one I can't remember (now I'm thinking it's a Phillips), I still think the original sales advice is good enough to be taken for gospel. Upscaling DVD players, 99% of the time, require an HDMI connection with the display / projector to pass an upscaled signal (whether via AVR or not).

Ok, so, I need to find/make sure the denon gear upscales over component?

Now, going by the instructions, the receiver doesn't?

I don't care if I use the component out of the dvd, to component in on the AVR, then component out again to the projector.

Prior, can you confirm a couple of things to make sure any advice we give is sound: Is your projector 720p native? Obviously, there is no advantage to upscaling any signal, if your projector is only going to scale it back down to 480 lines.

And also, how bad a job does it do scaling incoming signals to its 720 lines (assuming it is)? I only ask, because upscaling DVD players are thought by many (not me, or at least with the S97) to be a bit of a hoax. It is a pretty good argument, given that the scaling power of a higher end display or projector might well do a better job than a cheapie DVD player...

[Aspect]

The projector is not 720p native.

The manufacturers website states this:

"Support for High-Definition (480p, 576p, 1080i, 720p) broadcasts with line-doubling function. " It is an analogue input though.

So, after looking at the instructions for the Denon DVD player as well, I can only do it via HDMI.

So, that being the case, HOW can I go about getting an upscaled image to the projector? Other than buying bluray/HD-DVD.

Cheers,

Chris