Plasma Lcd Facts

[angelus512]

Well turns out the Plasma manufacturers made a facts site.

www.plasma-lcd-facts.eu

Just posting incase people hadn't heard.

[Nefarious*au]

Linked for Convenience

[Roderick]

One should be a little wary of the "facts" promoted on a Web site like this. It does not look exactly like an even-handed scientific account of the state of play.

This smells like the excellent work of spin-doctors. On a par with the reports we got before the Iraq war on the so-called WMD -- the "weapons-of-mass-destruction".

Cheer up, though. just think of the amunition it will provide the plasmaphiles on this subforum! .

[MLXXX]

One should be a little wary of the "facts" promoted on a Web site like this. It does not look exactly like an even-handed scientific account of the state of play.

This smells like the excellent work of spin-doctors. On a par with the reports we got before the Iraq war on the so-called WMD -- the "weapons-of-mass-destruction".

Cheer up, though. just think of the amunition it will provide the plasmaphiles on this subforum! .

Well said, Roderick.

For example, a plasmaphile could really go to town with this 'Myth' in the material:

Myth

Flat TVs have trouble retaining resolution when displaying fast moving images.

Fact

Plasma TVs can present moving objects without loss of crispness or detail.Plasma technology needs only one impulse per pixel to produce an image therefore its response time is almost instantaneous.

LCD technology requires pixels to go from active – to inactive -and back to active again, to achieve a single response cycle; their response time can measure anywhere between 4 milliseconds to and 25 milliseconds. Even the fastest LCD screens can suffer with some degree of movement blurring.

[photo of Plasma screen with nil motion blur] [photo of LCD screen with

severe

motion blur]

Example

With an LCD screen it would be difficult for you to clearly see a tennis ball hitting the tennis court after being served. The response rate would not be fast enough to keep up with the trajectory of the ball. On a plasma screen you can enjoy every moment of fast action like sports and film.

No-one producing the above appears to have picked up on the typographical error in the phrase 'anywhere between 4 milliseconds to and 25 milliseconds'. And I'm not sure at all as to the accuracy of the claim that 'even the fastest LCD screens can suffer with some degree of movement blurring'. If the blurring of a 4mS display is not noticeable to viewers watching video on the display, it is somewhat misleading to say that the screen 'can suffer' from movement blurring.

I imagine it is galling to the plasma spin-doctors that film producers persist in making films at 24 fps, a snail's pace of 41.7 milliseconds per frame. That's not even close to what a Plasma can handle!

[BribieG]

As I pointed out on another thread, during the recent tennis championships I dragged the Sony CRT out of the bedroom and set it up next to the 8ms LCD. The LCD displayed a fast ball going over the net as a sausage about 4 times the length of the ball. The CRT showed 4 separate balls in a space about 4 times the length of the ball (persistence of vision over subsequent frames ?).

I expect I would experience the same with a plasma.

Either way does this look like the face of a man who gives a .......

[fawlty99]

Well I watched the Oz open on a new LCD (Bravia) and the ball was as clear as if you were there. Same goes for AFL. Maybe if you freeze framed it you'd see blur but that hardly relevant. I think motion blur is much less of an issue with newer sets and Oz consumers are deciding with their $.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/home-theatre...3722711373.html

[george#3]

have seen this survey on the pioneer web page!

i must admit when i was looking for a flat panel i did like the plasma better than lcd,

coming from a crt the colour is a bit more of a like on the plasma thanon the lcd,but i have gone for a lcd only purely on size.as i live in a shoe box,ahh city living!!

but after watching my lcd must admit there is not much diff now,other than some pixelation some times,as the lcd has more res so more **** shows up.as i have become customed to the bright tech colours,and as for motion,well unless you are going to watch fast action sport 24/7 then,you must have no life!

and this is very marginal these days,never had a problem so far.

[BribieG]

I think motion blur is much less of an issue with newer sets and Oz consumers are deciding with their $.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/home-theatre...3722711373.html

Yup. My set pre-dates Bravias by a few months, it's not too bad and I'm sure that new LCDs are even better. The other thing about Plasmas is the "true black" issue. With "piano black" the current thing for the bezel, or 'frame' of the TV I have noticed that even with plasmas the screen is not as black as the bezel, but this is based on observations at showrooms where they may not have the TVs properly adjusted.

Also, Fawlty, the article you linked to is interesting. quote:

"it is a massive turnaround for LCD, whose second quarter 2005 sales of 35,657 trailed plasma's 42,074 figure."

Go back to late 2005, a 37 inch LCD was about $4k, and a 40 incher went for over 5k, well above the equivalent 42 inch HD plasma (not talking about SD plasmas because that's comparing apples with oranges)

Now, only 18 months later 37 inch LCDs are going for under $2K and 40 and above inch LCDs are well competitive with the same size plasmas.

Plasmas have competed by going to ever bigger and bigger sizes such as 55 inch, but in doing so have painted themselves into a niche-market corner as the "huge screen" option. Meanwhile LCDs are establishing themselves as the "any size screen" option.

Nothing against plasmas personally, I live in a smallish unit, and 50 or 60 inch would be like sharing my place with an Irish Wolfhound!!!

[Fokker70]

All I know is if I want a living organism, I'll buy a turtle not a plasma. Turtle should live longer and be far less hassle and cheaper to repair. I may even prefer the viewing experience of the turtle over the plasma?

I know my friend purchased a plasma, has lost the conception of what TV was all about prior to plasma ownership. He worries about his organism too much to actually just sit there and enjoy what is being displayed.

"Fact" is a rather dramatic word radiating importance but until things like burn in "facts" are backed by a real manufacturer "warranty," I will keep on believing and holding on to my "myths" thanks.

[Dater]

A very informative site. I especially like the bit about End to End production...

Myth

Plasma and LCD TVs alike are built using bits and pieces sourced from a variety of different manufacturers.

Fact

Generally, Plasma TVs tend to be developed and built completely ‘in-house’.

In the early days of plasma TV, most manufacturers tended to develop their own plasma research and technology, leading to a situation where many companies now have plasma production as an integrated business model. This means that from the panels to processing, plasma screens are generally made entirely within each particular company, giving them total control over the quality of their products.

LCD TVs, on the other hand, are generally built by using a variety of third-party components, with all the quality assurance issues that entails. And even more confusingly, LCD TVs are traditionally ‘OEM’d’ –some companies buy them from another manufacturer and simply put their own brand logo on them. So with LCD, the name on the front of the TV screen you buy may not necessarily be the name of the company that built the main part of the product.

Example

LCD screens are manufactured predominantly by ‘third parties’ and then sold separately on to different brands for use them in their own LCD TVs. This method can be helpful in keeping production costs low, but buying the core screen component from a third party also reduces the opportunities for individual brands to improve, develop and apply their own quality controls to the final products they release.

This situation also compromises competition in the LCD arena, as LCD TVs from two well-known rival brands might actually have the same core LCD panel inside, reducing the potential for each brand to develop a quality difference.

When you purchase a plasma screen you can almost always be sure that the technology has been developed specifically by the brand on the front to give you the best viewing experience, without compromise.

You learn something "new" everyday....