uforia Posted March 16, 2007 Posted March 16, 2007 I have a Panasonic 50" plasma and have been considering getting a pro ISF calibration done, but at $350-400 is quite pricey. I guess I am trying to find out how much of a improvement it is over say a decent calibration with DVE ....NOT default factory settings. I know that DVE will never be 100% accurate and that a pro ISF one is pretty spot on, but how far away really is DVE from ISF for accuracy? will i see a huge difference? Just reading a review online regarding this model: Picture settings for the TH-50PX60U after its ISF-calibration. We highly suggest that, if you own a Panasonic TH-50PX60U, you imitate these picture settings. By configuring the television to the below settings we were able to get the color temperature to D6650K, a substantial improvement over the out-of-the-box measurement of D10000K+. Using the below settings to regulate the color temperature and white balance virtually perfects the picture of the TH-50PX60U. To move any closer to D6500K, the film and broadcast industry standard for color temperature, would require a lot of time and effort for only a percent or two gain in picture quality. One would have to hire a trained technician to modify the service menu of the plasma television Anyone who has had an ISF calibration can comment? compared to DVE or recommended settings previously?
snappyman Posted March 17, 2007 Posted March 17, 2007 Hi uforia, I had an ISF calibration done for my HS-60, and the improvement was amazing. The calibrated D65 with proper gamma tracking improvements were easily noticable. I thought my setup was pretty good with a basic DVE calibration I did myself, but you really need the right kit for a proper calibration (expensive++). I have not had my plasma calibrated so I'm afraid I cannot say for sure if this would benifit as much as a projector did. I don't know if you are in WA, but if you are, then the only certified ISF technition I could find that knew what he was talking about was this guy: Andrew Poole Home Theatre Engineering HAA & ISF Qualified Home Theatre Calibration We use Sencore Professional Test Equipment Ph 0417 040 020 He did and excellent job for me, very informative and gave useful suggestions and room acoutics etc, and was very reasonble with the price. Anyway, hope this helps. Snappyman
uforia Posted March 17, 2007 Author Posted March 17, 2007 Thanks Snappyman, I would think ISF makes a bigger difference on a projector and probably required...just reading about my particular plasma it seems u can get it pretty close to 6500k already ... just worried i'll get it ISF calibrated and it won't b huge improvement (and for the price and what iv read I would b expecting a big gain) anyone had ISF done on there plasma and can compare it to DVE done urself? Hi uforia,I had an ISF calibration done for my HS-60, and the improvement was amazing. The calibrated D65 with proper gamma tracking improvements were easily noticable. I thought my setup was pretty good with a basic DVE calibration I did myself, but you really need the right kit for a proper calibration (expensive++). I have not had my plasma calibrated so I'm afraid I cannot say for sure if this would benifit as much as a projector did. I don't know if you are in WA, but if you are, then the only certified ISF technition I could find that knew what he was talking about was this guy: Andrew Poole Home Theatre Engineering HAA & ISF Qualified Home Theatre Calibration We use Sencore Professional Test Equipment Ph 0417 040 020 He did and excellent job for me, very informative and gave useful suggestions and room acoutics etc, and was very reasonble with the price. Anyway, hope this helps. Snappyman
wheelz Posted March 17, 2007 Posted March 17, 2007 Uforia use the search forum button,theres many threads on calibration just type calibration as the keyword
uforia Posted March 17, 2007 Author Posted March 17, 2007 I have done a search though I am after a more specific answer, ISF on plasma and compared to previous DVE or self calibrated settings
wheelz Posted March 17, 2007 Posted March 17, 2007 I think you will find everyone who has had their plasma's calibrated has been very happy with the improvement,as to how much improvement i guess i would depend on models of panels and peoples different opinions ie i might think it improved 5% and you might think itwas 10%. I guess the general vote is yes it is worth it .note different panels have more adjustment than others.I guess at the end of the day discuss it with the calibrator before hand to see how much improvement he recons.
50mxe20 Posted March 17, 2007 Posted March 17, 2007 I think you will find everyone who has had their plasma's calibrated has been very happy with the improvement,as to how much improvement i guess i would depend on models of panels and peoples different opinions ie i might think it improved 5% and you might think itwas 10%.I guess the general vote is yes it is worth it .note different panels have more adjustment than others.I guess at the end of the day discuss it with the calibrator before hand to see how much improvement he recons. I agree. I've seen heaps of references to it being a good thing by plasma owners cause I've done the search myself. I will certainly have it done although if I go ahead and get the Pio MXE20, it comes with a ISF calibration as part of the package.
Baf05 Posted April 4, 2007 Posted April 4, 2007 I too am wondering if this is worth it. I have a new Panasonic 50inch, and am in Canberra. Also does anybody know of any one here who does this?
50mxe20 Posted April 4, 2007 Posted April 4, 2007 I'd try aaron at avical and he/they can't help you they will be able to tell you who will. http://www.avicalaustralia.com.au/contact.htm
Souwalker Posted April 4, 2007 Posted April 4, 2007 No sure about Canberra but Aaron from Avical (Melbourne) travels all over the country to do ISF calibration. I've booked him mid May to do my Pio 507. You can give him a ring. Rgds pat
GP11 Posted April 4, 2007 Posted April 4, 2007 You might try Millenium Audio Visual, Fyshwick, listed in the ISF-trained Dealers in Australia site.. Here I understand Aaron from Avical trained these guys.
50mxe20 Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 When the guys do a calibration they hang a device off the top of the plasma and I assume measure the intensity of each colour strip being displayed. Does anyone know what this device is called and what it is 'actually' doing? The measurements taken are obviously linked to a chromaticity diagram and software on a PC (laptop). I did not get a very good explanation of what was going on when mine was done (obviously).
norpus Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 When the guys do a calibration they hang a device off the top of the plasma and I assume measure the intensity of each colour strip being displayed.Does anyone know what this device is called and what it is 'actually' doing? The measurements taken are obviously linked to a chromaticity diagram and software on a PC (laptop). I did not get a very good explanation of what was going on when mine was done (obviously). I believe it is a colourimeter - a sophisticated photometer The program Aaron and others use is called Colorfacts http://www.colorvision.com/product-ht-cfp.php
50mxe20 Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 I believe it is a colourimeter - a sophisticated photometerThe program Aaron and others use is called Colorfacts http://www.colorvision.com/product-ht-cfp.php Acknowledged.I thought it would be something like that. Although I was very impressed with the result of the calibration I didn't get a lot out of the guy that came. In fact extracting anything out of him was like pulling teeth. I was somewhat disappointed because I had heard that others had derived a wealth of information from the calibrators and I was looking forward to the same. The fact that I had a background in Image Processing did not encourage him to tell me anything. When I asked questions I was advised that he was adjusting the "colours" and "stuff". Duh. However, let me reiterate, the result of the calibration was worth doing.
OzHTfan Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 Thanks Snappyman, I would think ISF makes a bigger difference on a projector and probably required...just reading about my particular plasma it seems u can get it pretty close to 6500k already ... just worried i'll get it ISF calibrated and it won't b huge improvement (and for the price and what iv read I would b expecting a big gain) anyone had ISF done on there plasma and can compare it to DVE done urself? By virtue of size and depending on model (quality of factory setting), to a degree it will be more noticeable when a projector is calibrated. However, again highly dependent on how closely your Panasonic is to D6500 out of the factory, it still may be worth having it calibrated. Perhaps as a rough guide, check some of the in depth U.S. on the equivalent model over there and see how they come up for factory greyscale tracking. It seems that generally many plasmas including other Panasonics and also Pioneers push green. Ulitmateavmag.com is a great reference tool. In my own experience I have had all of my SXRD projectors calibrated, even though most of them are pretty decent out of the box. Same with my 70" SXRD rearpro, that I definitely noticed the improvement in it as well. At no time have I regretted spending the money frankly, regardless of how much I can accomplish myself with DVE or nowadays DVE-HD through years of tweaking various sets and projectors. BTW the bloke I use is Luke from VDC out of Sydney. Not sure how widely he travels but he *is* ISF certified and does use a GretagMcbeth 'Eye One' and Colourfacts software.
chris@aanet Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 In fact extracting anything out of him was like pulling teeth. Did he manage to tell you his name and do you know which company he was from?
50mxe20 Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 Did he manage to tell you his name and do you know which company he was from?Yes and yes.
peterca Posted June 28, 2007 Posted June 28, 2007 Got my 507 yesterday, very impressed with it, looking forward to getting it calibrated.
regis169 Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 How much would it normally cost to get your panel calibrated? Also does calibration include everything you have in your lounge room? (Xbox 360, Blu Ray, AVR, HTPC)
OzHTfan Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 How much would it normally cost to get your panel calibrated?Also does calibration include everything you have in your lounge room? (Xbox 360, Blu Ray, AVR, HTPC) There isn't a 'standard' rate for calibrations, but it shouldn't set you back too much. I get them done quite a lot cause I've changed projectors a few times in the last 3 years, along with having my 70" SXRD done, that in itself influences the cost. Also depends where you live. If it costs a calibrator travel time, then expect it to be reflected in the cost. Expect it to cost no less than $250 though...
50mxe20 Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 http://www.avicalaustralia.com.au/contact.htm Does anyone know if this is still current? My attempts to email are getting the following errors: The following message to <sales@aztron.com.au> was undeliverable. The reason for the problem: 5.1.2 - Bad destination host 'DNS Hard Error looking up aztron.com.au (MX): NXDomain' and The following message to <sales@avicalaustrala.com.au> was undeliverable. The reason for the problem: 5.1.2 - Bad destination host 'DNS Hard Error looking up avicalaustrala.com.au (MX): NXDomain' or do I/we have an email problem?
NRB Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Lyle, the address in the second e-mail doesn't match the website - it's missing the "i" in australia.
Thomas Magnum Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 There's no 'I' in 'team, but there's one in Australia .... Agree that the email address is a mouthful, but the sales@avicalaustralia.com.au should be OK. I emailed them late last night to enquire about a calibration and it hasn't bounced.
50mxe20 Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Thanks guys. I thought I copied and pasted so I don't know how that happened. Interestingly, when one clicks on the email address in that link, it goes to the aztron address.
Thomas Magnum Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Lyle, have you had any response from Avical (if you did email them again)? I emailed them a week ago and have not heard a thing from them, I'm wondering whether to put a rocket up them or not. That's the problem these days, service is so woeful from some companies it makes you get aggressive with everyone you deal with when it is often not warranted. They may be a small company with only a few personnel so I don't want to get up them if they are just busy, but my rule of thumb is if you get no response after a week I start getting twitchy. Thanks
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